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Originally Posted by jiff
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I'll wait for Sapphire mobos, DFI won't get my €€ again :nono: , no need for a slowly/suddenly dying, bios blower, ram killer, cpu toaster board.Quote:
Originally Posted by jiff
My preference is the Sapphire too, but I wouldn't rule the DFI out yet. What we need is to see some reviews, I'm really suprised a review of the DFI hasn't surfaced yet. I mean it looks like its going to be available in a few weeks but we haven't seen anything (other than the preview on extreme), yet we have had two independant review of the Sapphire.
Bigtoe, you said at one point you were getting the DFI for review, any news on that?
My main problem I have is I can't make up my mind whether I should get Grouper or Halibut based mobo? I just don't know if CF with current X8** series is worth it? (Lack of SM3 and the probability that one R520 will be as fast/faster than two X8** series) I'm thinking it might make more sense to get a CF mobo and an R520, then later (when I can afford it) add another R520.
But then on the other hand, is there really gonna be any real world gain to be had from running 2 powerfull cards? Like the 7800's are now, unless your running a videowall for a monitor is it worth it?
With newer games like F.E.A.R. and UE3 even the 7800GTX will stutter at high res. with no FSAA or AF...
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...ance/page4.asp
F.E.A.R. is still in development. For all we know, framerates could double between now and release. They probably wont, but we can't say for sure.
If this board takes much longer, I really think I'll have to hold out for Socket M2. I'm still on my Northwood P4 2.4C. :(
If these companies wouldnt be writing such shody code, we wouldnt need 2 gigs.
I think the problems with the old DFI NF4 regarding ram eating and cpu gobbling will be over with the new ATI based chipset. They did infact change over the new NF4 16X board to the ATI's chip power design, so i wouldnt worry.
Wouldn't worry? what about us with the rev 1? :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Haltech
YMMV :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dippyskoodlez
wow this thread gone dead huh? no reviews whatsoever so close to its release date. so sad.
no kidding....i pretty much have a whole new system put together except a motherboard...and i am am seriously on the verge of ordering something else. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
Aren't ati currently doing a chipset revision that might be why there Is no news.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxT
At one point I was as excited as I could be for a motherboard. Eventually, I gave up and went Nvidia. I'm sure that's exactly what ATi wanted to hear.
if this board had come out, I definately would have gotten it. My Abit AV8 just died, so this would have been the perfect board to get. It's a dissappointment that this seems to be such a no-show. I had the highest intentions of getting this board, but that only possiblity of that is if the MSI plat 2 that I ordered today dies pretty quickly.
Same here. Went with nVidia after I heard of ATI's revisions pushing back these boards yet again. Who knows when they'll be available now... they say September... but I wouldn't hold my breath. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Tinker
~ 85 quid in the UK. That's ~ 150 USD.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25522
EDIT: That's for the Pure Crossfire. The Grouper will most likely be less.
Grouper listed on the same site is 140inc vat
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Sapphire.html
If you read the ocuk forum I believe the owner said that a grouper crossfire version was going to be released after these two :)
That's interesting. The Grouper isn't a Crossfire, but it cost a bunch more? :confused:
apparently it's a 'super overclocking board' therefore more expensive. A bit dumb imho.
Anyway i'll be the third to say i was waiting for the sapphire chipset (august 5th) and in the end, i gave up and went nf4. And 7800gt. Long may it last.
Good luck to ati ever getting this on the market as well...
the crossfire board doesnt have half of the grouper/grupers overclocking features so theres prob going to be a gruper crossfire board later. ocuk are just price gouging like they always do.
i dont feel thats worth an extra £35 over the DFI nf4 Ultra (which is comparable). I bet with some modded BIOS you could enable some of the stuff on the crossfire. The crossfire board looks rather good, at just £99. For brand new tech that's not bad.
I actually called Sapphire a couple weeks ago, they told me Grouper was to be released at the end of August with a MSRP of...get ready for it..... $179 USD. Can you believe that? I wanted to ask him if he was joking. Hopefully when it hits the major online retailer channels the prices will drop. Either way, I'm ashamed to say I'd probably pay the man if it's a reliable alternative to the DFI (which, I personally, never had a problem with, but am too apprehensive about buying another).
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Originally Posted by Jcollins82
My thoughts exactly, there are some things I hate about DFI but I still don't think other options are any btter.
Theres the Abit AN8 Ultra but that also has its own set of problems, its also a little slower than the DFI but on the other hand its sooo much better for nubs or just ppl who do not have the time to tweak the DFI bios :)
i dont call myself a noob or a guy who has no time .. maybe the overclocking is not so well (~10-20mhz lower) .. BUT the whole board seems more all-day usable than the dfi ;)
ati's crossfire chipset was revised, not the chipset used by grouper.
also, the crossfire version of grouper is called halibut.
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Originally Posted by $ilver
hard to tell when you cant get one anywhere. I'm tired of these BS paper launches, why not get a product ready before you tell a customer its going to be released, ive been planning this college rig all month, and i avent bought yet because i need a mobo, maybe ill just stick with what ive got now though.
i have had the ecs radeon xpress (micro atx) board in my htpc for around 5 or 6 months now and i am very impressed. it was the first rev of the board and chipset, also only 1 bios revision (after the shipping bios), also uses the ati southbridge rather than the uli. it has run problem free, slightly overclocked for the entire time i have had it and its in an aspire x-qpack, which is like an oven (no intake fan). the vcore only goes to 1.45v, vdimm to 2.7v, and not much tweaking options, but is running @ 11x225, 1/1 ram.
config -
3500 venice @ 11x225 1.45v
2x512mb pqi turbo tccd @ 225mhz 2-3-7-2 1t
ecs rs480 (same chipset as grouper with built in x300 vid)
2x160gb wd sata raid 0
liteon dvdr 1693s
6600gt
hauppage pvr-150
stock x-qpack 420w psu - 12v rail is around 14amps
so the basic 480 chipset works great in my experience. benchmark results are about the same as nf4 boards, a little better than dfi ultra-d, a little worse than epox 9npaj, but only a few percent separating all 3 boards.
very truly yours,
politenessman
nope, they are revising the crossfire edition of the chipset. They might be secretely revising the regular chipset too, but they should have said so, at least i would know why it's delayed.Quote:
Originally Posted by crodan85
Arr right so I wonder what the delay is as the grouper board was supposed to be released earlier this month.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxT
Just setting the record straight, none of the chipsets are being revised. rs480, rd480 and rs482 are all production ready and have been for a while. All this hype about the crossfire edition part needing a revision is not true.
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Originally Posted by MaxT
Thanx for setting the record straight, grayskull.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grayskull
You might want to do something about this then: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25198
I know the inquirer has never been exactly a reliable news source, but they are hurting ATI with rumors like that. Unless they are not rumors :confused:
Thats in INQ for you they are worse than british tabloids. :(
Can we expect to see the Grouper in the last week of August or first week of September....... :confused:
grayskull why not set the record straight about an ETYA on this, many have rigs waiting to be built and it would be nice to know what day we should start looking for it, im tired of searching on 10 websites every day for it.
Looks like early September for the UK according to OcUK, US usually gets stuff earlier though, so that still leaves options of both 1st week of September and last week of August.
Some answers on this would be nice, surely it cant be that secret?
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Maybe they just don't know?Quote:
Some answers on this would be nice, surely it cant be that secret?
I cant honestly believe that a company can be unable to say whether it is releasing a product in a week or 2 weeks, they must have set an internal deadline by now, or at least must be well aware if it is going to make next week or the week after (or possibly later).
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I certainly hope that isnt the case....... :rolleyes: I can imagine piles of Groupers stacked up waiting for the Green light....... :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by don_vercetti
seiing how ATI does not have direct control of the release of public products, only it's chipsets, i think it would be a bit more accurate to say that ATI really has no idea, adn that asking grayskull when they are coming out just isn't gonna get an answer....'cause he really doesn't know. I mean really...even the vidcards...they don't make those either...they don't even make the chipsets, TSMC does.
Remember that ATI has already released the chipsets, as well as Crossfire reference boards. At this point and time it has nothing to do with ATI. The only thing ATI could have done is told OEM's to not release the product until they can do a mass release...again, because it's not ATI making these products, the end date of production on the right number of these boards it totally beyond ATI's control.
I've said this time and again, yet i seem to repeat myself anyway...ATI simply design the products. TSMC makes the actual GPU's, and sapphire makes the actual cards, with the exception of card previous to the X800 generation, which any board maker can assemble. So with this in mind, any complaints or animosity because a product is not released should be directed at those companies.
Production runs, like has been reported, with only yeilds of 2-3% of fully functioning chips...that's not up to ATI...LOL...TSMC is in charge of that. Graphics chipsets being as large of a slice of silicon as they are, problems @ 90nm and 65nm have nothing to do with ATI. If a certain design needs a respin, it's not becasue ATI cannot make the grade, but TSMC's production process cannot meet the grade. This is why you have read of nVidia holding back...because TSMC produces thier chips too, so nVidia would be subject to the same problems had they gone that nm route with the G70 series.
If you are going to let something influence your purchase like production yields, you need to look at the big picture. This is something the INQ fails to do, and why it has a bad rep. But just becuase things are not directly true, however, does not mean that the truth is not hidden behind the scenes.
Guys I read this over at hardocp.
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=943036
Whats going on at ATI? Could this be the reason for the delays???
Damn I want to see reviews already!
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Originally Posted by Grayskull
Care to comment on this tidbit Grayskull?Quote:
Originally Posted by Originally Posted by Digitimes on Aug 15, 2005
Review:
http://www.gdhardware.com/hardware/m...purek8/001.htm
Not 100% sure this is grouper.
that refers to the videocard side of things. Grayskull is referring to the chipset not needing a respin. Who really cares about top end videocards, not many people can afford them anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by EMC2
nice review but could be a little more thorough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ubermann
It was a review..but jesus it sucked.
I really dont think they know what board this is.
Nor do i think they know what overlocking is.
But its still a review =)
:p:LMAO!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Tinker
hi,it's been a very long thread and the money for this board is burning me any release date (who's got it)
The board they tested was Grouper, the only issue is they really didn't open up the extra bios options in the dram and get tweaking ;)
I hear its out real soon, the bios is continually under developement and will be during the life of the board. You all have to remember ATI are new to the enthusiast arena as are Sapphire so its best to get this board as good as it can be before release.
I have halibut here also, it features the same overclocking options/power regualtion but has croosfire also, this board is also being fine tuned so should be competitive on launch.
Thanks for sticking with us all on this, its been a long haul but it appears it will come good.
so sapphire is releasing two models only for 939 right? grouper and halibut?
I just set the system it is supposed to replace to self destruct mode (small script that raises Vcore by 0.1 V every 7 Days, if it's not out by the time, the old system goes up in a big ball of fire (well a small bang with scorchmarks), I will have to go with Nvidia :( ,
Lol, going out in style.
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Sapphire are releasing Grouper, as far as I know they have a different design for the crossfire board.
This does not mean Halibut revision will not make it to market though, trust me ;)
hmm good thing i cant afford two video card, else i might have waited for halibut.
My money was rdy a long time ago...still waiting, heh. Btw, yeah that review was pretty bad from a XS point of view. U happen to know how much the board will be going for bigtoe? the Ultra-d is 135, if the grouper is more than 160, I'm afraid sapphire will be losing customers to dfi. I'll prob still buy it, heh, but price isn't a concern to me. With that being said, if it's over 180, I'll just wait till it's more reasonable, it always comes down...
Another review:
http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q3...0/index.x?pg=1
I know...Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
Have you forgotten what forums you're posting on? :p:Quote:
Who really cares about top end videocards, not many people can afford them anyways.
Peace :toast:
Ok, so if I understand it right, the first batch of Groupers from sapphire REQUIRE the plastic cpu backstrap cuz of issues/mistakes by sapphire, thus preventing us from using XP90 and other coolers for the cpu? If that's the case, it would suck :( An enthuthiast board with so much oc options, yet forces the use to use stock heatsink = not cool. (pun intended). I'll wait for the second revision I guess, ATi 4 life, no nVidia for me :) Never have never will.
That TechReport review doesn't bode well for the gruper :( $179.00 and loses a lot of benchmarks to DFI, If OC'ing and HD audio are the only things really going for it....well, I dunno.
Pah, you guys in the US have it lucky, the board is preorder at Ocuk for £140.94 = $253.
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DAMN!!! 180 bones for a NON dual gfx ready board. I think I will pick up an Abit AN8 SLI for 110 bones to hold me over until the price drops by...I dunno 70 bucks at least?
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Originally Posted by IRQ Conflict
Well that test kinda sucks. That HAS to be the only TCCD that won't do more than 265 mhz 2.5-4-4..
And they use a half multi, not exactly the nicest thing to do when you obvisously don't know what you're doing ;)
Hahaha , i didn't mention about the half multi before u you said --> crap reviewQuote:
Originally Posted by SlackeR
It didn't look to bad really. Well unless you use a lot of USB stuff, that kinda turned me off.http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=36063&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=36064&stc=1
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Originally Posted by Blue078
This came form the techreport so take it with a grain of salt. Out of all the sapphire reviews this one is so different from all the others. I don't trust them at all. Here the funny thing. They state that the DFI mobo was only stable up to 245HTT. :rolleyes:
How many out there with DFI Nforce 4 mobos are limited to 245HTT. :rolleyes:
It seems that techreport must be under the influence of THG :rolleyes:
245HTT, what a 'kin joke, even the bad ones do at least 285HTT :rolleyes:
Maybe they dont know how to lower the multi ;)
How about Anandtech ? They said the same thing about USB in a preview earlier this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnipingWaste
You guys have fun, I'll pass this round, I need my USB to work good, I do more with my system that just bench 3D :)
Its only relevent to how much you actually use USB and for what
If you are moving huge files around to USB drives then it may be an issue, I use my 256MB thumb drive every day but they are slow to begin with so its not really an issue for me or IMO most ppl :)
the thing is, it looks (technically) no better than the DFI, but it costs a hell of a lot more. If it's infinitely more reliable (as in all cold boot issues + mem stick randomly dieing (although that could just be due to the massive volts being pumped through them, open for debate)) then it might be worth the extra, but i doubt it.
Yep and that thumb drive just became even slower :)Quote:
Originally Posted by alpha0ne
But your right it will only matter to very very few people that use
USB NIC's
USB Cameras
USB DVD Burners
USB removable HDD's
USB Keyboards
USB Mice
USB sound devices
USB printers
Oh and don't forget those slow USB 2.0 thumb drives and micro drives
^keep in mind these are previews, and could potentially be fixed with a driver update...
usb cards are only like $5 too, even though pci slots are in high demand on this thing...
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Originally Posted by alpha0ne
Well obviously, they don't ;)
Or they dont know how to choose their multi. they really freak me out. how the hell is it possible for them to make it unstable at that low frequencies?
i mean, the 245 on the DFI might be on a ½ multi too, and THAT is bad. or they dont use the same cpu..
And actually they state that it is NOT the same mem, which means that it is probably not even the motherboard that's limiting them, but something they do VERY wrong to their TCCD or another part of the setup..
Plus, they have not tested anything near 4v vdimm. That i crucial, because we need to know how hot it gets, and if the power is clean and stable.
They did NOT test it as an Enthusiast-board.
Ridiculous test.
when it comes down to it guys, we can only get reliable info from here (most of the time) and ourselves.
See I know its XS and all but we guys are not as stupid as they think we are, right?? 179$, man that can buy a "Official" SLI board and that too a DLX or Pro version of it. We all have been waiting for ATI+Sapphire to unleash this but this is too much they are asking for non DUal GFx board. NO NO this a Wrong thing to do when NF4 variants have already gone cheaper. Was so bored waiting for this :banana::banana::banana::banana: to happen... got myself ABIT AN8 SLI + OCZ Plat Rev2 (Mostly TCC5) from US. Sapphire is in India but with this high rates, I think it will not see indian shore unless they have to show it off to crowd at some Gaming event. $125-135 is d price I would like to see when it hit d streets.
i'm sure the board will drop in price by the time its officially released - keep in mind the OC-UK is a pre-order...remember the first of those pre-orders for X2's? - RIDICULOUS high prices...so we'll see soon when the product finally hits - lets hope for that $130'ish price :)
dream on. They'll keep the price high as poss for as long as poss.
Yeah bandwith hogs like usb mice and keyboards :rolleyes: and lets not forget flash drives, usb sound cards and 100 mps NICs all really need full usb 2 speed :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue078
For USB HDDs and some DVD/CD Writers however, it really sucks.
So your saying it would have ZERO effect in a game using a USB KB/Mouse ? If it were just a tiny bit slower than the others I'd buy into that, but almost half the speed :rolleyes: I'll pass you guys knock yourselves out :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fairydust
it won't have any effect on a USB mouse or keyboard. People still use ps/2 kb and mice, and they are sufficient. They really don't need any significant speed.
Agreed :)Quote:
Originally Posted by don_vercetti
To base a buying decision on how fast a USB port is for use with K/B and rat is just ridiculous, the port could be running at 1/4 speed and still not make the slightest diff :rolleyes:
Hi Bigtoe,
you have halibut their were can i find out about that boared or can you post lots'a info . Did a search got nowt on here :( (just nead more reading )
Guys if the Techreport review IS correct, it not only the USB that has problems on grouper. The Gigabit network controller looks mighty bad too.... couple that with at this point no better overclocking than an Ultra D, I am not impressed. Hopefully better reviews are around the corner.
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Originally Posted by dnavarro
Yes but 40 odd percent (according to poll) have major problem with the Ultra D. I just wont a Motherboard I can switch off/on.
Still there some on here think this is cause I/we are noobs :stick:
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Originally Posted by dnavarro
If it is a whole lot more stable and user friendly than the DFI, then things like Gigabit controllers and USB stuff like that can be easily remedied. As long as it doesnt kill hardware or self destruct then thats more than most overclockers will ask for. Besides how much does it cost to get a decent network card? 15 bucks?
I guess your experience with the DFI has been different than mine. I have had mine since release with high overclocks and no problems. With regards to grouper,I would expect when paying 160+ dollars for a board a simple thing like ethernet and USB would be things that work out of the box. Sure you can add a USB card and ethernet, doesn't mean you should have to. Especially at those alleged prices. Also, I still haven't heard any results showing it OC's better than the DFI, which is what I really was hoping for.
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i'm with you dnavarro, i only just got my DFI, but it's worked flawlessly so far. Taken my bh-5 up to 250 @ 3.1v, no trouble, been really stable, and just been an excellent board. A lot better (easier to use) than my old nf7-s ever was. Why pay more (and then have to pay another £20 for decent USB and ethernet) when you can get a DFI for £40 less?
And before you say "cos it's stable" why not wait until it's got out to the public, not cherry picked versions ATI/Sapphire have given to a select few.
I am jsut saying IF...
Don't get me wrong, I would love to have ATI succeed here. NVIDIA has had the enthusiast mobo market for a while now. So far early reviews just haven't wow'ed me. And things being so late have not helped things....
Um..september was always planned...I've been saying this since march.
if the usb port and gigabit net aint working at it's full, thats probably what they are working on right now, along with a few other things im sure
I'm stickin w/ what I got.
(Pats trusty DFI boards affectionately.)
My Ultra-D is a newegg refurb and has run @ 10x300 'okay' (32m Spi) w/ the 3700, now runs just fine w/ 4200 @ 10x260 + 2GB ballistix (will go for 2650 in 2 weeks). My wife's runs @ 9x300 w/ GBLA. D2oling away :D
Once that new revision of the DFI hits with the new voltage setup, ill have no need for the halibut version. I cant believe the asking price for this board however. Whats the actual difference between this and halibut? Just the Crossfire chipset?
I beg to differ on this slightly.Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
I must admit, I was (at one point) very keen on the Sapphire motherboard, but between the constant delays and less-than-stellar peripheral support, these (p)reviews leave something left to be desired. While it does appear that the the board is definitely for the enthusiast; the bios options indeed rival those of DFI and it's perhaps one of the best looking boards that I have seen.
Unfortunately, it does appear that the Sapphire board is plagued by a rather immature Southbridge; simply put, USB, ethernet, and SATA 2 speeds are all of subpar performance compared to the NF3/NF4 chipsets. Nonetheless, it is also true that we have yet to truly see a retail sample of the board, so I think it's important to save final judgements for the real thing.
In a nutshell, I think the Sapphire is most important in because many believe that they will be able to run their low latency memory (or TCCD I suppose) without some of the problems commonly associated with the DFI motherboards; however, the "newer" revision of the NF4 could also alleviate some of these same issues, too.
Personally, I would not mind trying my hand at the Grouper board, but (a) I think it still has several issues that need to be addressed and (b) like some I have begun to lose patience with ATI's capability to launch products within a reasonable amount of time.
deception``
I'm gonna wait for the SB600, meanwhile I'm gettin a cheap AsRock ULI board and keep on runnin my 256Mb 9800XT - must admit I'm pretty p*ssed wi what I've seen so far a know these are previews but no DDL on a board thats suposed to 'have it all' is just stupid
hmmmm.....didn't know that a bunch of XTREMEoverclockers would let a little thing like slow gigabit ethernet and USB affect their decisions. Besides, I started the sentence with an IF for a reason. we will wait for final judgement when and If the board does come out. I don't think I've seen a single benchmark on this forum comparing disk speed, usb keyboard speed and how fast you can go on the internet. personally, as long as my kb and mouse works flawlessly I could care less. I just need to know I can over and not worry about major issues that people have been reporting. Until its release no one would know what kind of quirks the boards have.Quote:
Originally Posted by deception``
While xtreme overclocking is much of my love for PC's, I use my PC for more than just benching. And unfortunately these are things that require ethernet and USB from time to time....
Well said. Yes, many of us do enjoy benching and overclocking, but there is much more than that to a PC. If benching alone were the only concern, why would so many complain about stability (or the lack thereof)? This simple example alone shows that, while top clocks and scores are important, other things are at stake when choosing the right motherboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by dnavarro
The thought process is simple, really: For an estimated price point of $180 USD, people are expecting a damn fine board, and with good reason. Yes, I would like a motherboard that overclocks well, but I also want one that is relatively well-rounded, too. It is in my PERSONAL opinion that ATI's current SouthBridge is lacking and needs to be fixed/replaced before this board is released as a final retail. I, like many others, think that this motherboard has a lot of great POTENTIAL, but some key issues are going to prevent this board from being all it can be.
deception``
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Originally Posted by cadaveca
if you read anantech's previews they were told by sapphire that the board would ship the 5th and be available by the 15th or so. (of august)
I totally agree with you. I was planning on upgrading whenever this board came out, but am a little dissapointed in the aspects of this board unrelated to overclocking. I'm starting to consider waiting for the next socket as there isn't a motherboard out at the moment I am completely satisfied with and not afraid of it's destructive nature. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by deception``
Before you go off into a rampage and start blaming the Southbridge for everything, you need to understand a few things. The reference design doesn't suffer from poor LAN performance, nor poor SATA performance. It also overclocks easily over 280 MHz. A proper implementation and correct testing procedures will achieve the performance levels as reported by Anandtech. There was obviously something wrong with the TechReport review. Either it was the user who wasn't setting the board up correctly, or some other problem with the motherboard.
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Originally Posted by deception``
Yes but even in the anandtech review we could still see the problems with USB and ethernet
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2481&p=14
and presumably the tech report is on a later build (since it was sent out about 20 days later) and if they haven't got round to fixing it yet, something must be up.
And i have to admit, had this been released earlier, i would have got it, regardless of USB performance. I waited until the 15th to order my dfi, since i was just getting too impatient. The delays + the problems really have added up.
There is nothing wrong with the ethernet, the only issue is USB thruput speed, burst is fine.
If you are talking about CPU usage with the ethernet i have boards here that use even more than that, the issue is we never max connections out so the cpu usage is never that high.