it has to leak out the o-ring first to get to the threads. i think i'm gonna forgo sending it in, even though they gladly sent me an RMA for, it would be quicker to reseal it myself, even if i do void warranteeQuote:
Originally Posted by iddqd
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it has to leak out the o-ring first to get to the threads. i think i'm gonna forgo sending it in, even though they gladly sent me an RMA for, it would be quicker to reseal it myself, even if i do void warranteeQuote:
Originally Posted by iddqd
personally, i would send it in. the company that made it will probably investigate the block and see what critical part failed. the assessment will allow them to fix the problem on future parts so that others dont meet similar fates. but thats just me...
but i don't want to wait that long without water.. i'm an impatient guy :p:
yah cleared bios proper way dfi recomends and all that, stick is just bad..
Sucks that in bios settings i was fine once i went into windows and changed some things with clock gen and athlon tweaker then found stable went to bios and set em thats when it all went wrong..
Ima hate to have to wait for rma to come back to me and alkl but i wanna hit 3 ghz on air :)
right now im at 2800 at 1.6 even
im thinkin i might be able to hit maybe 3 with 1.675 or mat=ybe 1.7
What are the odds of blowin the chip with 1.7?
Ive been told by vandi not to go above 1.6 on air and i have been listening but i want more speed, and only way to get it is with more volts...
So far at 1.6 load temps are only 37-38 so im willing to go to 45 max
Well, let's put it that way their "tweaks" are actually just a different way to bin the cores. Otherwise the cores are 100% identical, they even come off the same wafer. Of course, you can't tell anyone I told you thins. :nono:Quote:
Originally Posted by frostedflakes
lol ozzi, i know what you mean. im actually "impatiently" waiting for my new digicam to come by way of the fedex man. i was hoping it would be here yesterday, but alas.... o well, ill have it tomorrow at least.
anyone else gettin tortured by the summer heat? or is just me here in socal? ive dumbed down the oc to 2600mhz running 1.4v thru proc, 2.9 thru ram. i got some active cooling on the new ocz ram cuz it gets pretty damn hot. the chip is stayin nice n toasty lately at 33c to 34c and occasionally hits 35c. folding 24/7 sure is keepin my room warm unfortunately.
Don't worry DmatkO, 35C is far from toasty, that's not even body temp lol. :p: I understand you want to keep your Newark cool, because it may scale higher when kept cool, but having it @ 35C in the summer heat while folding is actually pretty awesome. :toast:
IMO, no reason to "dumb down" until your higher oc causes instability.
I had the same question just last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophy
My system has been running fine @250x11 since I got this chip June 1st (3700 Newark). I had to do some tweaks here and there to make my Cosair happy, but overall excellent stability at that speed.
That is.... until last night.
Booted up to blue screens like crazy. Nothing changed recently except new 5.7 ATI cat drivers so I thought that was it, but no. Did the clear CMOS & reflash BIOS routine and still saw nothing but blue screens.
After hours of trying different things I finally got my old settings back except I have to run at 2T now. First thing I thought of was blown mem controller, but I hope not. :confused:
I just ordered a pair of GSkill GBLE to replace my Corsair 3200XL. I really hope that fixes the problem. If not, then the new RAM will find a new home in a 939 board and I'll scrap the 754 stuff.
Anybody else had that with these 3700's, where your stable OC just falls flat for some reason?
What makes you think clearing CMOS or reflashing your mobo's BIOS is going to solve a vid driver issue? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartacus
If the BSOD's happen right after a vid driver update, I'd seriously suspect that, and roll back to the old vid drivers. Use XP's system restore if you can.
agreedQuote:
Originally Posted by xenolith
mine happened while tryint go get to the 3 gig mark in a64 tweak and clock gen in windows :(
now only one of my sticks will do 240ish and not even 250 period....
did you use the proper mothod of clearing the bios?
I should have given you more info I guess....Quote:
Originally Posted by xenolith
Already tried rolling back to the old driver among a hundred other things. It was not driver related. I work on computers for a living and I always try to find out what recently changed when a system goes belly up. In this case, I think the driver upgrade is sheer coincidence. The box is running totally stable again (no BSODs at all), just at 2T instead of 1T. :confused:
I've had pretty good luck with my DFI boards, but I know clearing the CMOS and reflashing the BIOS is just part of the "DFI Dance" when things go fubar in a big way.
Something changed in my box hardware wise. It's like a night & day difference. Just seems like the mem controller is throwing a temper tantrum.
:slapass:
Not sure what the problem is yet. Could be CPU, RAM, or mobo.
I'll see how it runs with the GSkill RAM in a couple of days.
I've been overclocking since it was cool to have a 8Mhz 286 running at 12Mhz, so I'm not missing the obvious stuff. Anybody remember changing clock crystals? :)
Very interesting, thanks for the info. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by iddqd
Hm. Well, I got 6/28 beta bios, and so far it seems to work well with my Newark. Haven't tried overclocking it yet. One thing I don't like is it would boot at 0.93vcore after clearing BIOS. Thank God it's stable enough to boot into BIOS at that voltage. I wouldn't know what to do otherwise.
If I'm not mistaken, I think it'll always do that with the mobiles, so it's not BIOS version related.Quote:
Originally Posted by iddqd
Yep, after BIOS clear it always defaults to low volts and 900mhz iirc.Quote:
Originally Posted by xenolith
Got the Gskill RAM and didn't have much luck with it, could not get it stable wihout seriously detuning the system. I even got desperate and did the Vsense mod on the AX500 to give me more volts (back on the Corsair), but no good. The mod worked, but I could not get Memtest to run for more than 10 minutes or so error free. A few times I thought it was fixed and then I'd get 2 errors on like the 12th pass of test 5. :mad:
The system runs pretty well when I run the RAM around 200FSB, but what fun is that? :rolleyes:
It appears that either the mobo or the CPU took a dump. Kind of a bummer since it was running just fine at 250x11 for about 6 weeks (the mobo much longer than that).
Oh well.... on to new socket 939 stuff for me. I need a fast & stable system.
Best of luck guys.
yah im hoping its my ram because ive already rmad the old mobo and now the gig of speed premium is on its way as we speak, if new gig gets here and i cant do 2.9 like i did b4 than i know its a cpu issue as well, bad part is i never took it aboive 1.6 i think one time i got it to like 1.62 but temps with this 90c and tornado are verry impressive (definately glad i went this route instead of other alternatives others were telling me to go !)
Im currently at 235 1:1 2-2-2-5 at 2820 but only on one 512 :(
i want my gig runnin in fast settings and going for 35k in 2k1
right now im at 29.5 with nothing on vidoe card as of yet. Ill be compoletely happy with a 35k all in wonder x800xt pc with a gig of ram in it..
Lets pray its this stinkin ram..
Heres my question..
Should i go for a gig of the speed premium bh-5 again or try for the ocz gold bh-5 old skool the egg has for dirt cheap?
auto = .95v and 4x multi actually :DQuote:
Originally Posted by twilius_basic
i did some testing that puts my newark somewhere around 1.6ghz with .95v.. i wouldn't worry too much about stability
my opinion would be to go for the gold philos. im running 1gig of it at 2.9v/220/2.2.2.5/1:1. the farthest i can get on it is 230 but with 3.1v. im not pushing anymore Volts thru it, but i hear that it can hit 250 and change with some extra juice. its been stable enough to fold for the past 2 weeks 24/7, so i have no complaints. im sure someone at the ocz tech forums would easily give you some optimized numbers to setup with your system as well. only thing is make sure you get some active cooling on that stuff, cuz it gets WARM!!!. i put an 80mm fan on them and it seems to be doing an ok job in cooling them for now. g/l
>>bad part is i never took it aboive 1.6 i think one time i got it to like 1.62
These things aren't THAT sensitive are they? :eek:
I mean, I know very small voltage tweaks can make a big difference with stability, but I certainly wouldn't think running at 1.62v would damage the CPU. (???)
I've probably run Vcore up to around 1.65v or so during testing, but never left it there very long as Prime would always die quickly at those higher volts even when the temp looked fine. My CPU seemed to run fine in the 1.57-1.60 range since I got it. Great error free performance and temps of around 39C at idle. I can't imagine those conditions somehow crippled the mem controller for life. :confused:
I look over at the box and it's done 20 loops of test 5 error free now but at a bone stock 200x12. At least I guess I can throw together a nice running stock A64 system for somebody. At least it's not really "smoked". Not quite what I had in mind when I put out for this $360 mobile chip though. Doh! :)
Best of luck there Philo.... hope you get your prob sorted out.
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i've benched at 1.65v and screened at 1.7v on my newark.. didn't seem to hurt it much
Yep, now I know these chips are female....Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
Baby them and threat them nice and they dump on you.
Treat them like crap and they love you forever. :)
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What are your idle/stock temps? Mine are ~29-32(depends on ambient). I still think my diode is a lying communist, though. Need a thermoscouple...Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
for those suspecting they may have a bad mem controller i'm currently waiting for an rma of my cpu. i tried everything everyone else here tried or suggested and no go with 2 sticks of 512mb bh-5. talked to a tech over at AMD and when i mentioned the errors i was getting in various areas of memtest he mentioned that test #8 can show possible issues with the memory controller if everything is fine with one stick and not 2. just a thought.
also, someone here said they are using the 6/28 beta bios and i was wondering where he got it? also does it have the 4v option in it? haven't found it at dfi-street yet and am going to try googling for it now>
around the same, TDX/bonneville HC with 1x120mm fanQuote:
Originally Posted by iddqd
load sometimes pushes 33-34 on a hot day
omga, it's the same thing as the 5/4 release, but with the turion microcodes
Little updated on my 3400 Newark if anybody is interested. I threw it on my DFI LP nF3 board to see what it could do. I was able to get 240x11 (2640) at 1.4v without blinking an eye. That's the limit that my freakin' mobo will go though. SATA ports 3/4 (the locked ones) won't recognize my Raptors. I've RAMed to board twice, and it still doesn't work. :slapass: So until I get some $$$ to get a new board, I've gotta stick with the 240 max. :( This thing will definately go farther though, I'll update when the new board arrives... whichever it'll be (DFI again or MSI).
-Ben
get an ide drive for testing! :stick: :D
that's a good speed for 1.4v though, i'm impressed
any one got a newark for sale apart from Vandi423? i need some more benchmarking and d2ol power :p:
Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
Haha, yeah... probably should. I was tired of having my computer down though. I'll see about throwing an IDE drive on there, and see how it does. :)
That's a good speed. I think I'll buy a 3400+ Newark soon, 3700+ is too much compared with 3400+.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3Tripnip
SATA 3/4 are locked (those near AGP slot). Why don't you test the chip with a spare drive (IDE or SATA)?
EDIT: SATA 3/4 are locked (near AGP port) and SATA 1/2 aren't. I was in a hurry and I typed the otherway around...
actually, my sata 3+4 are the ones that are locked (between cpu and agp slot)
also.. newark 4000+. i'm about to poke about to try to find one :toast:
if u get that 4000, please let me be the first person you PM when trying to sell the 3700 :D :) :p:
I don't think there is a Mobile A64 4000+ .....yet.....
according to anand it should be out in Q3 2005. so maybe another month or two? vandi you seeing these yet?
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2476
3trip thanks for updating us on the 3400 newark you have. 2640 @ 1.4v is amazing. keeps us updated once you get your serial atat lock issue out of the way.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Corbu'
according to this roadmap:Quote:
Originally Posted by tristancarton
Athlon 64 3200+ Newark 2.0 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Now
Athlon 64 3000+ Newark 1.8 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Now
... so where the heck are these procs ?
they aren't available right now due to amd having a crapload of older s754 mobile clawhammer 3000 and 3200 chips laying around. they are prob beign manufactured but held back until the claws run low in supply.
as to why they say available now? no idea. companies pull fake launches all of the time. the 4000 will come out on time (or close to release date) because it doesn't have an older claw chip that is a 62w mobile chip. this is the reason why we see the newark 3700 out right now but don't see the lower ones. (well except the newark 3400. i have no idea how that fits into my assumption above)
*the left over clawhammer core assumption is just an assumption (but i may add i think a very good reason for them to be holding back lower end newarks)
Quote:
Originally Posted by majkel84
From what I have been told, the lower models are being held off by AMD. Only a few leaked out, about 50 of each I think. Why have they done this? Because there is still a ton of clawhammers left in the channel. When the Newarks first came out all of the models were available to me. 3700+, 3400+, 3200+, 3000+ Most of them got sold off within a week.
I can see Newark 4000+ now. hehe :toast:
EDIT: The 3400+ are coming from 1 place and I've been watching. Every place on the net that has 3400+ Newarks are drop shipping them from this place. I don't like them because they charge more. Around $12 extra when buying 1 or 2.
Ok, it seems i've filled my loop with what I thought was antifreeze, but turned out to be windwasher fluid. ><
Damn, damn, damn. :( I keep asking over at AOA why Epox won't support the Newarks in the BIOS and I get no answer. Bums.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vandi423
I am at 2952MHz right now. I'm sure there's a few MHz left at this voltage though. My cpu, (like my clawhammer) seems to be voltage-hungry. :P at you, eclipse!
http://img328.imageshack.us/img328/2347/29529ei.th.png
gogo, 600kb image! :banana:
edit: just reached 2976. (248htt). It was giving me the array crap, so I think that's the end of scaling at this voltage. But there's always the option of more voltage. YAY! :D
On the other hand, it seems pretty stable in windows. I
1) screwed around with the image in paint
2) am posting on the forum RIGHT NOW
3) playing farcry
4) passing prime95 (ok, just kidding)
haha, impressive! i dunno why i always get the short end of the stick :stick:
how high can you screen at?
I haven't tried going any further. MBM crashes at those speeds... and I refuse to use a computer without MBM on it. I'm also a firm disbeliver in suicides.
Edit: MBM just locks up my system at those speeds, it seems it's a bug with MBM itself, as I do not get BSOD, but the MBM locking up thing is consistent.
yeah, i've long ditched mbm for everest.. it included memory benches too, and a bunch of other useful stuff
or.. why not just use smartguardian? ;)
coz it's an annoying ugly window that pops up every time i boot, no matter what i set it to. MBM, on the other hand...
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8100/ss025uv.th.jpg
edit: red is gpu, green is cpu and blue is case
yeah.. that window bothered me too. i can't use it anymore due to xp64 :p:
one of these days i will end up putting the newark back in to play with some more ;)
xp64... why would you use that crap. it's what the spaniards call "el terrible".
Why don't you use SpeedFan instead of MBM or SGuardian? It supports Win 64, and works like a charm with fan control.
IIRC, I had to remove it from the startup folder to stop it from poping up at boot....and with a little tweaking, it's not that ugly anymore :)Quote:
Originally Posted by iddqd
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1.../smartmod2.png
Is that voltage not a big high..Quote:
Originally Posted by iddqd
Im hoping to get 3gig from my chip, but I was hoping to use less voltage than that.
With th DFI UT I get array problems very easily, I bought a £15 Si sata raid card and it fixed all those sorts of problems.
IMO, that voltage (1.75v) is very high. My Newark didn't respond favorably at all to vcore that was any higher than 1.7v. But hey, iddqd's core stepping looks to be a tic better than mine, so maybe 1.75v+ will bring better results... :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Holst
The nForce SATA does indeed suck, however if you disable it, you can still use the other one, Marvell chip SATA which works just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Holst
As I have said many times before (and I'm sure this isn't the last) the "Detecting Array" message appears every time you boot. It's completely normal. However, usually it would fly by so fast, you can't even see it. However, when your CPU (or other components) are unstable, this would typically be the first thing that it crashes on, hence, you get to look at it for a few seconds, until the system reboots. Never limited my overclocking (i get BSODs in windows way before I run into array detection thing)
As for the voltage, 1.75 is nothing. I've tried as high as 1.95 with this chip, although it doesn't seem to improve stability. I haven't pushed past 2978 I can boot at as high as 3.2GHz, but it BSODs a lot (and that's only if i turn MBM off, otherwise, system freezes at MBM initialize)... I suppose I could try my luck in suicide shots, but then again, I think suicide shots are bull:banana::banana::banana::banana:.
suicideds may be pointless, but they're hella fun :D
i'll laugh at your 1.95v now though, that's quite a lot of voltage ;)
also.. while it is kinda useless, how high can you get the htt/fsb?
thats wierd i can get prime stable at 2880 at 1.625 on air at 240htt 1:1
and i have wenbt to 242 for the 2.9 thingie but 1.65 wasnt even enough for me there so im guessin maybe mem limited there or maybe not..
drop the ram divider to find out :D
Hmm... that's the thing. Not much past 250. Hell, it's unstable even at 250. I dropped all my multipliers/dividers to lowest to find out... it wouldn't even boot at 300 (it used to work fine with the claw). It seems that's what's holding me back. 255HTT = bsods, array detection freeze. Maybe I need a new BIOS? (250 crashes a lot)Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
that's strange.. how are you getting to 3.2ghz then? 250*12 = 3.0 ;)
(or maybe boot simply means post)
and.. if that's the case.. hmm. take out all your sata! :p:
It does boot at 265. By no means stable. I've tried 300, and it doesn't boot at that anymore. haven't tried anything in between.
edit: i don't think this has anything to do with my sata. I could get over 300 mhz with the claw.
edit2: boot = boot into windows logon screen.
that really is strange. the only thing i can think of left is either the ht link multi or that the clock generator on your newark hates you :(
I just think that it's time to ditch the 6/28 betas for something more suited to mobiles.
i've done most of my overclocking with 5/4 modded.. it's served me well. i just want my >1:1 dividers :p:
i asked you where i could get a modded bios, but instead you linked me to the official site. :stick:
my bad *hides*
i forgot you have that bh-5 ;)
thanks for the linkage new-b!
i am searching for that prozessor but i cant find an europe online shop who sells the cpu??!! :confused:
Quote:
Originally Posted by JimPanse2k5
thats true...i cant find it in europe.....
can someone explain this to me? i reinstalled the TDX cause the tubing was messing with the mount... :confused:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=35214&stc=1
Bug in the bios maybe either that or you horribly screwed up mounting the block and its burning itself to death.
If its a bios bug it might require flashing to a different bios to get rid of it.
definitly not a bios bug, as nothing was changed aside from a remount of the cpu
if it was too hot, it wouldn't be stable at my normal overclocked settings, which it appears to be
checked with speedfan, it's fluctuating between -122 and -124c, regardless of load :confused:
edit: my guess would be that i did the same thing as conrad.. broke one of the little chips. mine happened to be with temp reporting? *shrug*
I've seen a few posts about these wierd temps (always -123 too?? ) but some had this on 2 or all 3 temps.....so I would think it has to do with a bios and or temp monitoring chip problem. I know one person said it went away after a few reboots.
well i'll unplug the computer.. typically that fixes many weird problems.. hopefully this is the same
edit: nope..
simply turned off and back on.. no change
unplugged.. still the same
cleared bios, load optimized defaults.. nope
oh well :p:
I've had that with my clawhammer. When running high vdimm, the temperature reported became something preposterous, like 125C or something.
For future reference, the height of the Newark core is the same as all the Athlons/AthlonXP cores, which I measured to be 0.78mm +/- 0.005mm. Therefore, a shim made for AthlonXP will be the correct height. They run for about $6-7 each, so you could just butcher one, if you're afraid of damaging your CPU.
would a shim like this work for say a De-ihs'd 2800+ newcastle? cause if it does, ill be all over it. cause thats my biggest fear, killing the chip cause of cracking it.
heh, it's not the core itself i'm worried about, but the little things around it :
Hey guys!
Looks like the Newark 4000+ will be coming in at the old 3700+ price. All of the other prices also fell. I might join you guys with some of the lower end Newarks if I can get my hands on one. I might also try a water cooled Turion. :D
So how much for a 4000+ Vandi?.... jus out of interest :D....
Vandi423, I am interested in buying a 3700+ or 4000+. By any chance do you ship international? And how much the shipping costs would be?
P.S. Rabbi_NZ, still socket 754 addicted ha ? ;)
Im socket 754 addicted as well but lately the memory ive been getting is crap so rma rma rma
I beleive this chip will give me 3ghz on air if my dam memory would hold out..
Thats my main goal, if not ill go water setup for sure, because I invested a buncha loot for 754 and seems to me there still kickin :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vandi423
i am really really interested in turion...
I will post my results on the water cooled Turion. You guys have to help me with the board settings, ok? ;) I am trying to get an MT-37 but I am in a hurry to get this system built.
I am checking up on the price of the 4000+ Newark but I will not be able to post anything here as I am not allowed to sell anything outside of the For Sale section. Forum Rules! :nono:
I also want to get some 3000+ and 3200+ Newarks. Those are cheap! :D
wow nice cpus! whaiting for more tests from you bro! :D
Hey Corbu' :)
I'm typing this message on a P4 1500MHz... its all i got at the moment LOL
Might hav another 754 coming to me soon though... if it makes it I'll prob throw in a high end newark and throw together a real nice HTPC
Vandi,
no worries, I understand... could you PM a 3700+ & 4000+ prices to me when you get them please?
Well I just got word that the 4000+ isn't shipping yet. But it probably will in a few weeks.
I was also told that AMD will not ship the lower end Newarks until the clawhammers sell out. :mad:
But they're going to get some MT-37s for me. :D
where can i get the newmark 3700+?? i will buy this nice cpu... :D
Just a quick update.
Got my 3700 running at last.
Seems stable at 250X11 (2.75gig) 1.5v aircooled.
Tried watercooling and going for 2.8gig 1.5v but it wasnt stable (crash in 3dmark01)
But this is only at 1.5v so I think I have more to come once I up the voltage.
I think ill let it run at 2.75 for a few days before I try clocking it any more.
I've had mine for a few months now. The max stable I got on it was 290x10 on water cooling. About to phase change cool it in about two weeks
:banana:
Vandi423
Any results on your water-cooled Turion64 yet? I'm curious as hell :)
@Holst where did you get this cpu (newmark) i want buy it :D
I bought it on the for sale forum.
This is not stable .. im having some memory problems (I think I toasted my Bh5) but its a start.
Yah im currently letting mine settle in at 2.8 for a bit at 1.5 b4 I got for mythical 3G
Im sure once my bh-5 returns ima get 300 htt @ ddr 500
Currently at 235 1:1 2820 1.5 on ch-5
I want this cpu too.
Where can I get it?
I got this baby last week before it was announced. :D
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4...ionmt373qn.jpg
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4...rionopn2pb.jpg
I haven't had time to work on the water cooling yet. :mad:
how come that the Newark only is availble in the US?
When can we get it in Europe?
a week 19 eh? that's curious :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vandi423
i'll be looking forward to some overclocking results :toast:
woah i'm really interested vandi in this turion, maybe can be better than dothan...
nobody knows the newmark where to buy??
hey vandi come on we are whaiting for some news! :D
would the turion overclock better than the newark ??
@JimPanse2k5: the newarks can only be found in the usa, here in europe i didn't find one shop that can deliver me a newark :mad:
Quote:
Originally Posted by massman
no turion is the "amd dothan"...