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found a 3800+ venice in toronto in chinatown it was a 3800+ so I didn't want it.
what city is that chinatown in? i might get the 3800+ :).
EDIT: oops my bad, didn't read carefully. guess i got excited when i saw the available word :). hehe
Well I just contacted AMD since none of my distributors have any.
I am currently asking for 30:
Venice Core.
ADA3200DAA4BP
ADA3500DAA4BP
ADA3800DAA4BP
(Maybe even some San Diego Cores.)
They're going to check availability and let me know tomorrow. (I asked them late today) If they don't sell me any they'll at least tell me exactly when to expect them. I should have an answer by tomorrow (Tuesday). Don't get your hopes up but what is everyone going to buy, a 3200+ or a 3500+?
David
EDIT: IF I do this it will be an XS exclusive, only members who have been on for at least a month or two (With the Mods and owner's approval of course, or else no.). Like I said Don't get your hopes up! If they say No then I'll let them know how hot these chips are. It appears that the AMD sales reps don't know because to them its just another stepping. ???? We'll see...
Please put me in for a 3200+ model please :). please msg me if you get them. Thank you much.
3000+ or maybe 3200+.
Vandi423 I did PM you a few days ago ,please reply if you can.
Forget this place people...Showed the part available in "limited quanities" called them, was told the same thing, in stock, limited quantity, available for order...ordered the part, 10 minutes later I get an email saying:Quote:
Originally Posted by Faceless Rebel
This item is out of stock at this moment and it will be placed in back order status. Per discussion with our suppliers the Estimated Time of Arrival (ETA) is the 04/20/05. However, if it should take longer we will notify you by email. If you decide to cancel this order, please let us know immediately and we will cancel this order for you. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause you.
Thank you for your order.
Paola
Customer Support Staff
Best Selections Unlimited
Consider yourselves let known immediately dear Best Selections Unlimited :slapass:
When I called them back to confirm order cancellation it went to an answering machine...not a voice-mail box...an answering machine...this is just some guy trying to run a business out of his basement - just some tool trying to re-sell another companies products for them and cut himself a couple bucks as the middle-man...now if he actually knew what was/was not in stock and didn't tell people things were available when they weren't that'd be fine, but this obviously isnt a real business so F'it...was willing to take a chance trying to order this ahead of mass availability, no cheese
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Originally Posted by Alucard-
Could you please tell me the shop you saw it at and price ?
Vandi423, I'd be interested in a 3000+ if you're able to get ahold of some. Thanks for making an effort for us XS guys.
Look at my sig, it's missing something.
You need to order in lots of 1000 for them to sell it to you. Organize a list of 1000 users that want these chips and have a mod take the money and deal with amd.
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Originally Posted by Vandi423
Long time reader but just recently joined since I haven't had much to say, so please count me in. :worship:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vandi423
I'll take a 3800+ or a San Diego core if you got um.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vandi423
I'm lookin for a San Diego 4000+
what i would like to know is how much are you going to charge us if you can get some? I hope not too much :). again, i would like a Venice 3200+ model please :). man if you can get some and sell these puppies, you'll be called the merchant of venice, just like the movie :).
EDIT: check this out folks. http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...ory_Code=AMD64
this is interesting as it says ETA, TBA. I know it says 754, but the manufacturer part number just says ADA3200BOX. My either is that monarch is lazy or not know the part number for Venice which should be ADA3200BPBOX or something similar. Also this is interesting "Ship dates may change. Please check back here for most current ETA date.". Any thoughts on this?
Read the specs at the bottom of the page.Quote:
Originally Posted by dng29
I am also a longtime reader who just joined, in fact I joined so I could contribute to this watch-group thread. In case it matters, I've been a member of other websites for considerably longer than this one and I can provide my bona-fides to any mod who is interested. There are any number of people who would vouch for me, including people I have sent stuff to and received stuff from.
Knowin that, I would like to get in on this for a 3500+ if at all possible.
As for the Best Selections place, when I placed the order I wrote in the comments section:
A short time after that, I received an email back:Quote:
If you do not have any of this item immediately in stock, please go ahead and cancel my order. I do not wish to wait for this item on backorder. Thank you very much!
So I guess that's that, case closed. And still no Venice at my door... :(Quote:
As per your request we cancelled your PO# 1235 (see below). The product is not in stock.
Thank you for your understanding in this matter.
Paola
BestSelectionsUnlimited
3200 for meQuote:
Originally Posted by Vandi423
I would like a 3000+ if possible. It really depends on the price. Also, what if something is wrong with a chip? There is no real support, but this is a good idea!
Well I got ~300 max in paypal w/ venice written on it so the max I can get for about that. Let me know - assuming 3200-3500 (NOT 3000), might go for 3800 if its close (yeah right)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vandi423
If we're not gettin our chains yanked, could be start of something 'very interesting' (we need more group buys :hehe: )
On Positive note: thanks for doing the 'legwork' here.
us enthusiasts might not make a difference in AMD's annual report, but at least we're passionate about anything AMD puts out :). I think AMD is too busy trying to woo dell and the big businesses out there to care about us consumers. I think we're the reason the name AMD is so popular nowaday. I'm a new member to this forum, but please don't count me out for a Venice 3200+ please. Thank you very much.
David,
I hope you can get AMD to send you some cpus. btw, how are you going to pay for the bulk?
Just dropping in another status report - www.needthese.com is projecting 2 weeks before availability of Venice core CPU's per their sales rep
that's all for now
Edit - if we're getting any exclusive on Venice chips Vandi423 I'd put my vote in on a 3500+ (planning to run VX for 260-270 at 2-2-2's instead of TCCD higher at cas 2.5 or 3, 11x is the lowest multi I'd prefer)
wow another thread says AMD distributors will ship the Venice and San Diego this friday the 15th :). looks like next week is when we should see Venice on monarch or newegg. hope distributors will ship these express to etailers.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...p/t-59210.html
Well its all on AMD now. If they tell me that I have to wait until their distributors get them, then I will let them know about you guys and tell them how important it is to stay loyal to their customers. If they are waiting to clear inventory then it would be nice of them to let a few out for their TRUE FANS! I will make it clear that the chips are not for me but for you! (I don't even own a 939 board. :) All I have are 940 Opterons and a couple of 754s.)
If I can get them then don't worry about prices because I will keep them as close to the wholesale price as possible. No bidding will take place and I will most certainly NOT price gouge you. But it is way too early to start making plans.
I'll keep you posted...
Thanks for all you help David. I hope AMD will help us loyal followers out too :). my dfi lanparty sli-d is waiting eagerly for the Venice :). I don't mind paying a few bucks extra for your trouble :). btw, check this site out
epscontest.com/prices/rm_2005_04_11.htm
what can you make of it.
Vandi423:
Count me in for (1) Venice 3200+ PM was sent to you with info
Thanks,
Magik
I think maybe you should get 3500+ diegos, it just showed up on the roadmap, very strange unless amd is having yield problems with alot of them then I dont expect them to do over 2.4 to 2.6GHz
Before discussions of sales gets any deeper, I need to remind everyone that any and all sales (if they are to transpire) need to take place in the For Sale section or via PM. With that said, I'm hoping that AMD will pull through in the coming week or two. The anticipation and anxiety we have built up as a collective is beyond words.
More unwarranted speculation, my friend? Let's try to hold off on the guesses at least until a few of the chips have found their way into the hands of enthusiasts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
id take a look at the updated amd roadmap. I have a hard time believing the 3500+ diegos will come, but if they ever do, its a sign of amd speed binning them rather than throwing them out. Those are that cant do 4000+ speed at stock volts with stock cooling. I dont expect those to overclock too well, perhaps 2.5 to 2.7
http://www.c627627.com/AMD/Athlon64/
Wish I knew how reliable that roadmap was
Anyone know anything about that guy? Seen him in a few different forums...
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Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
stop guessing ok? in the OC world we do not like speculation. We like hard evidence. Just like how CBBHD overclocks better than CBBID. But who knows that in the beginning? how come I do not see you speculating when CBBID first come out?
in the contrary to what you said I can say that AMD just found some magical dust and are turnning out 4000+ cores all over the place and since they do want to keep the supply on the 4000+ limited so they can have higher margin they sell the rest of the Diego core for cheap. Besides, how many people do you know that will spend money for 4000+?
Or maybe the Deigo core simply has some bad cache and can only have 512k for use? It won't effect overclock at all.
So unless you have good evidence. EVEN JUST ONE, please keep your opinion to yourself. Thank you.
FYI, this is a public forum and everybody is entitle to their opinions however right or wrong, speculation or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcbarnet007
If you don't like it don't read it, period! :stick:
Have a nice day. :toast:
what you said is true, but he is discouraging others from trying new stuff. And we all know here at XS trying new things is good.Quote:
Originally Posted by EQuito
this will be my last post regarding the issue or else it'll be out of topic and locked.
back to topic. If most etailer only have a couple of venice in stock when it comes out, how come AMD says you have order a batch of 500 or so cpu's at once?
Ok ill keep my speculations to myself, but anyone that speculates is just guessing whats gonna happen. We will find out facts shortly the mystery behind amd's decision and pricing of the cpus. If I had an opinion, I would think amd does not always make good decisions and are missing out on maximizing their profits but hey what am I to say, amd knows themselves and the market better than any of us do. We dont know how much the 3500+ diego will be, if itll be 1mb or if itll even see the daylight, maybe amd will just hold onto them for months, who knows?
haha, yes, AMD seems to miss out on maximizing profit alot of time but that's why we love them so much. Alot of headroom to overclock most of the time. Well I really do hope that 3500+ diego will come out. More choice = better most of the time anyways. If they can just release the damn thing already. I've been following this thread every step of the way.
Does amd really care for us overclockers, would they really make less profit by releasing the 3500+ to satisfy us overclockers? Many of us view the Diego chip as the ethautist overclocking workhorse. If the 3500+ is for real, what reason will there be for the much more expensive 4000+ then? I am not gonna speculate on overclockability this time, but it still makes me wonder why 3500+ at the last minute
if they release the 3500+ san diego it might be a way for them to say sorry for those crappy CBBID
is there any link to San Diego core and how high they clock?
you can wait a few more days... april 15th is the official release date if it hasnt been said already.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcbarnet007
thats direct from AMD and official. the 4th was the NDA life date. someone got excited and started saying that was the release date :rolleyes:
Well aint that a pisser.. 2 more days...
yup 15th is the magic number
Save one for meQuote:
Originally Posted by rzonealley
:slobber:
is the 15th the day that you can order and they ship the cpu to you? or the day AMD distributors release to etailers like newegg and monarch. i want to order one really bad. on another note, dual core for desktop is coming too. i wonder if it's s940 opteron or s939 a64. i thought s939 dual core doesn't come out till next year.
April 4th is when Venice was "officially" shipping to retailers. We are still waiting on this 12th for us to be able to buy them.
April 15th is when San Diego is "officially" shipping to retailers.
So, expect the same kind of wait.
hrmm so today's the day to order Venice? i wish monarch or newegg has them for order. i want one really bad. i thought the 4th was the day the NDA was lifted on the Venice/Diego cores. time to check newegg or monarch and see if they have Venice.
for people wanting to know about the 3800+ venice in chinatown it was at filtech computer corner of spandia and college, in toronto if you know where that is. He told me his distrbutor and amd is only shipping venice and winchestoers should become rare. I had the box in my hand but I'm too cheap for the 3800 and he was using it in a new system.
Ofcourse they do. Every review overlocking is tested. There are enuff people who bough a 4000+ and run it stock because they think overclocking is dangerous or that kinda of :banana::banana::banana::banana: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
why is it that people in other parts of the world get stuffs before us? japan always get the goods way before us. now canada has the Venice core before US :(. that's just sad. oh well, in a few more days(hopefully friday) some vendors should have venice for order.
Hey you had the atomic bomb first (well maybe not a good example)
canada always gets ripped off on computer hardware, and usualy most things after the states, but finally we are getting some stuff early. Youd just have to walk in the shops and find it, or tell the owners to look out for the new stuff you want. Go chinatown, it's like a mini comp district 20+comp stores within 4 blocks
lol, i just thought of something. If AMD has indeed speed binned these chips so you can't OC them more the 200 mhz, the prices for the remaining Winchesters will skyrocket! lol, o the irony :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
Speed binning happens all the time and many many chips are done that way, but it's not going to be nearly as bad as you say. Most chips are at their speed bin within a certain margin and many more can go a lot higher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rezag1000
Let's just hope that they all clock well.
I don't want to catch a turd :stick:
If the 3200+ venice costs less then $200, or $200, then I willg et it. Otherwise, its a 3000+ for me!
Monarch still has no pre-order!
If the Venice turns out to be a turd I will NEVER, EVER, even consider changing over to AMD again. :cussing: :flame: :fart: :sick:
so, anyone believe venice will come out on the 15th?
I wish I did, but with all the lies/rumors and misinformation floating around, I'm not holding my breath.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rezag1000
I'll buy into Apr 15th launch since some E-tailers are showing stock availability for the following Monday Apr 18th
whatever happened to Vandi423? haven't heard from him. i hope he can hook us up with some Venices. the 15th seems so long away :).
lol, yeah, I can't wait till the 15th. I also hear the 18th might be the actual relese date, not 15th, but who knows?
AMD was supposed to get back to me today but they never did. Looks like they're not interested in selling chips.... :confused:
I will call them tomorrow and see what happens. From what I can tell the 15/18th looks very promising.
Could someone post the link to that little table that had all the new ADA codes for the different chips?
I'll type out the list
Venice 512k L2 Cache
San Diego 1mb L2 Cache
ada3000bpbox - Venice 3000+
ada3200bpbox - Venice 3200+
ada3500bpbox - Venice 3500+
ada3800bpbox - Venice 3800+
ada3500bnbox - San Diego 3500+
ada3700bnbox - San Diego 3700+
ada4000bnbox - San Diego 4000+
These are all PIB part numbers, for OEM parts use adaXXXXdaa4bp for Venice, adaXXXXdaa5bn for San Diego (not very many OEM part numbers showing up yet, so that isn't a 100% guaranteed forumla, but that's what they SHOULD be)
I'm aiming at the San Diego 3500. The 1MB might make a big difference. Which one you guys are thinking of getting?
Ok first of all where does it says the 3500 sandy will have 1Mb cache? I'm thinking it will be like the 512k clawhammers.
I also think the sandiego 3500 will have 512kb cache. Try a froogle search with ada3500daa4bn. You will find 8 or 9 results. Search for ada3500daa5bn and no results are found. 4BN=512kb. 5BN=1mb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
that's the confusing thing...BPs are supposed to be Venice...BNs are supposed to be San Diego
I don't see them having a 3500+ 1mb and 512k version either...
/shrug idk
aiming at the 3700+ personally if it tests out well this week I'll order everything for my new build Friday (payday)
it's quite possible, considering the 3500+ clawhammer. go amd for having 5 different cores with the same specs :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by RTI
(newcastle, winchester, clawhammer, venice and san diego)
Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
once Venice and San Diego are in full circulation for retail purchase , i bet HP and Compaq will lap up most of the Newcastles and Winchesters at a nice low price and start selling 3500+ AMD 64 processors on their desktops for cheap. :fact:
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Originally Posted by Tibu
That wont happen. your 3.3GHz p4 gives you 21,498 in 2001. My winchester at 2GHz and my 9800p gives me 23.6k so Venice is a MAJOR upgrade, overclock well or not, itll crush your p4 10 times over :slapass: :fact:
I wish newegg or monarch or zzf put up pre-order for the Venice. That way when they get the chips, they can ship it out right away so i can have it by mid-week next week. looks like the 18th is when everyone will have venice in stock. at what price will everyone be willing to buy the cpu? I think 210$ is my cutoff point for the 3200+ model. If it costs more than that, i'll get the 3000+ instead.
Vandi423,
I hope you'll have some good news for us bro :). Tell AMD how many people are interested on the Venice. hopefully they'll realize it and let you order some :).
I have already got my 3200 preordered in the US here: :woot:
http://www.sparco.com/cgi-bin/wfind2?spn=A80G831
3000
http://www.sparco.com/cgi-bin/wfind2?spn=A80G931
yup, i pre-ordered at sparco too, but then i cancelled it. I just got an email from them saying they expect to have it in stock on the 18th, but that's not guaranteed. they also say to check back on the 19th to see if they have them in. looks like every online vendor will have it in stock one way or another on the 18th. I don't know if monarch will beat everyone again this time and have it first. it doesn't seems like it as i got no concrete answer from monarch's purchasing dept. i probably won't have a venice until after next week :(. i hope all my components still work, since they've been collecting dusts waiting on venice.
Well if they are in transit how could they guarantee it? I figure at least I'm in the order line somewhere and I did not cancel as the numbers look 'in-line'
IMO, You can almost rest assured that the Egg, ZZF and Monarch are gonna jack(us) the first few shipments until the 'enthusiasts' orders have been filled.
I think he's right, sadly. If you froogle "ada3700daa5bn" you get one result, whereas ada3700daa4bn returns nothing but ada3700bnbox and ada3500bnbox both return about 8 results. Also, "ada4000daa4bn" returns nothing on froogle, but "ada4000daa5bn" lists about 8 results and "ada4000bnbox" returns around 8 as well. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by RTI
I was really hoping for a 3500+ 1MB. At least the 3700+ isn't too far away in price.
http://ncix.com/search/?quicksearch=...imageField.y=0
I think it's already in stock
Nope, when you add it to your cart it tells you its OUT OF STOCK.
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Originally Posted by oqy77
not in stock yet. you will see that if you click the "add" button :)
i was late hehe
aight, i got some interesting infos here. our fav. etailer just told me that the apr. 18th date is false because they said they have not heard anything from amd about the 18th. they said that these etailers are trying to drum up pre-orders by stating 18th as the date of availibility. however, he turns around and said that they will have a pre-order this coming weekend. so if his claim that the 18th of apr. is false, then why are they doing pre-order like the rest of the etailers. are they trying to drum up orders too? hrmm, em wonder.
For European : http://www.bel-hardware.be/forum/viewtopic.php?id=396
Grouped order of Venice, San Diego and Turion !
We now have them for pre-order here in Denmark :)
www.m-e.dk
whew... i just checked that agaion, now it's out of stock!
@ClockedOUT and SIOUX
yeah, but when I checked it, its in stock but somehow it's now out of stock.
http://www.sparco.com/cgi-bin/wfind2?spn=A80G481 the 3000+ Venice Pre-order.
Sorry, but obviously I'm not 'in the loop' as to who our fav. etailer is supposed to be. Could you be a little more specific?Quote:
Originally Posted by dng29
the first etailer to have the winchester core when it first came out. they have it before newegg and zzf. i'm talking about monarch of course.
:(Quote:
Originally Posted by Alucard-
I haved went to LA few days ago, I don't visit Chinatown ... Pity :slapass:
how many of you all have actually pre-ordered a venice within USA and which models ?
Hmmm, if this is true then you guys in UK are lucky. I just got an email alert and you can see below. But when I checked the website, it stock count is 0. Maybe the merchandize are in and but they are just holding on to them until the 18th. You guys can probably call them and hassle them to see if you get them to sell one. Worth the try. :toast:
eM..
************************************************** **
Dear XXXXX,
This email is confirmation that your Stock Alert has been set up.
You are receiving this message because you, or somebody supplying this email
address, have requested that an email alert be sent when we receive stock of the
following product:
AMD Part No ADA3500BPBOX
Athlon 64 3500 /rev E3 socket 939pin BOX
Note that your details will be used for this purpose only and will then be
deleted from our database.
Best regards,
SoftJam Sales
SoftJam Software
mailto:sales@softjam.co.uk
http://www.softjam.co.uk/
Tel: +44 (0)20 8994 5555
Fax: +44 (0)20 8994 5577
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www.itbutikken.dk got them listed, in stock April 29. They ship to many countries.
Found this link. http://akiba.ascii24.com/akiba/news/...55352-000.html. Can't read japanese though. Does that mean its already available in Japan?
Anyone?
eM..
wow, websites for pre-order are popping up everywhere. But none of the big players like newegg, monarch, ZZF have done anything. :confused:
4000+ at 1.35V? It looks like AMD is tempting overclockers to pick up the 4000+, since 1.35V Vcore will make their TDP at stock to be 67W like other winchester. You have to pay a premium for that anyway $637 per pop. My guess is that 4200+ and FX-57 should appear at computex Tapei May ending/June (6-8weeks time as hinted by some insider).
Pre-Ordered the 3700+ (ada3700bnbox) San Diego from Sparco personally...about $360 total with 2nd Day Air shipping...if I see stock/availability/pre-order from a more mainstream retailer like Newegg, Monarch, ZZF before it ships I'll probably cancel and go with them...IF they can put up a competitive price to that anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by |3ourne
Supposed to hit their warehouse on 18 Apr...so processing time and shipping etc maybe get it late next week, if not sometime the following week...of course if I'm too far back in the line on the 18th and it doesn't ship, then it'll be time to find somewhere else to buy...tired of waiting all this crap out
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Originally Posted by Emstiih
hrmmm interesting picture with the 3200+ Venice. The last 2 letters show BN. I thought there's no BN Venice 3200+ model. Isn't BN a rev. E4 core with 1MB L2 cache? please correct me if i'm wrong or i'll have to hunt this chip down :). if akiba shows pictures of these chips, you know for sure it's going to be available soon. i will have to place a pre-order this friday from anyone selling it cheap. so far looks like sparco is at 200$. I hope monarch doesn't jack up the price.
I went ahead and ordered a 3700+ San Diego from Sparco as well (ADA3700BNBOX), it was $339.63 + $19.84 = $359.47 total. They are projecting one of their warehouses (Los Angeles, CA) will have it 4/18. I just hope I ordered it in time to get one from the initial shipment.Quote:
Originally Posted by |3ourne
Judging from the OEM price lists at http://epscontest.com/prices/rm_2005_04_11.htm I would say that $339.63 is quite a fair price, and is likely to be as good a price as you will get. Monarch, Newegg, ZZF, and like will probably trade on their bigger names to price-gouge the heck out of Venice/San Diego for initial shipments. Sparco is a small name, and they have good ResellerRatings, so I decided to go with them.
In the meantime, if Monarch actually does put up a preorder this weekend and it is price competitive (which I doubt, because right now the 3500+ Winchester is $335 on their site, and the 3700+ San Diego will undoubtedly be more), then I might consider canceling and switching over. We'll see. I have no hope for Newegg and ZZF, Newegg has said mid-May and I now believe them, since I can see from Sparco's site that after the 4/18 shipment, the next one is 5/13.
edit: According to someone at OC Forums, Sparco is getting 100 3700+ San Diegos in on 4/18. I sincerely hope that I, ordering so late in the day, will get one. :woot:
Heh, stop dreamin'. It still says "4" in OPN = 512 kB cache. I guess the other 512 kB is disabled, just like that 3500+ above. San Diego core, 512 kB!!! :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by dng29