it was a nice mod.
it dropped my load temps from 50C's to 42C's.
only got 8C's load off my load and no gain in o/c yet.
temp drop is nice though, can't complain! :)
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it was a nice mod.
it dropped my load temps from 50C's to 42C's.
only got 8C's load off my load and no gain in o/c yet.
temp drop is nice though, can't complain! :)
I just wanted to check in on this thread with my experience.
I removed the ihs from my week 17 venice with ease, first try in about 7 minutes. I used an old-style shaving razor bought from Walgreens ($4 for 6 blades generic package). The razors bend very easily. I initially tried a hobby knife blade but it was too thick, even thicker was a box cutter blade.
After applying electrical tape to the blade all but 3mm from the edge, I gently inserted the blade intermittently along the sides, then once down each side I stuck the whole thing in. After each side was done I gently stuck the whole blade back under each side a pried just a bit at the corner using the leverage of the blade. After a few pries, it easily popped off.
The next step was to protect the core, so I put a shim from an old 9700pro around it, which fit perfectly after I sanded it down to the right depth.
The last step (since I'm using the stock heatsink while I prep my TEC setup) was to adjust the height of the heatink retention bracket on the mb. I simply unscrewed it from the motherboard and dremmeled off about 2mm from the bottom. Now the heatsink makes perfect contact.
Alot of people say you must use bolt-on coolers once you remove the ihs, but I found that shaving 2mm fromt he bottom of the plastic retention bracket works great.
Just finished pulling my IHS off, I was a little intimated with some of the things people had said ... but as stated before just be very careful and DO NOT force the razor blade. Just work it around slowly. I found that starting on the corners and working my away from each corner was easier than starting at the opening people had stated they had done. Not saying my way is any better, but it happened to easier for me. This was done on an older NewCastle so we'll see what temps are soon.
The thermal paste seems to be applied well, but mine was fairly hard, almost like putty. Does every one else have the same consistency I do?
http://www.1081ds.com/pics/ihs/ihs2.jpg
http://www.1081ds.com/pics/ihs/ihs1.jpg
I've got a picture of E6 Venice.
Comparing in this post.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=491
This area is reserved for when I remove my IHS. :slobber:
Will EDIT Tomorow. :)
I've got a picture of E4 FX.
Comparing in this post.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=491
Well... I removed it. And I chipped 3 resistors. No PCB scratches, and no Core damage.
And it still works. OMG
And stable too. No drop in temp yet, but thats A) Because I need to remount the Zalman CNPS7000 better. B) AS5 hasnt 'settled' in yet.
Just removed mine on my E3 Venice 3000+, ah nothing beats a nakkid CPU. After remounting my Koolance CPU-300 block (had to place a copper disc between it and the core because of the gap) load temps are down from 54 deg C at 300*9 to 40 deg C! Also, this has allowed me to reduce vcore down from 1.675V to 1.6V. AS5 is still settling so am hoping to get better than this. Overall, I'm very happy. As mentioned before, don't force the razor blade - take your time and everything will work out fine. ;)
so, has anyone actually crushed a core yet? I really really want to take the plunge, i'm just scared because my water block mounting bracket does not have any springs. Right now i just tighten it down grdually with both screws until its snug and the block wont slide at all anymore. oh yes i;ve got a x2,3800. OR do you think the core is large enough that i dont really have to worry about crushing it?
menlatin
Sure they have. And scratched the CPU out of existance. And bent the pins to hell.
Sure you can crush it. If you don't want to worry about then leave the IHS on. This is xtremesystems :) We like to worry and crush cores hehQuote:
do you think the core is large enough that i dont really have to worry about crushing it?
what type of glue can I use to reapply the IHS?
im going to do this to my 2.8c, even with great contact, im seeing the temps shoot up 15c within 2-3seconds after starting prime...
ive always thought i had contact issues but with an xp-90 and an xp-120 i didnt see any improvement at all from the 120, its like the extra mass isnt there... got to be core to IHS contact.
just plain 'ol Elmer's wood glue.Quote:
Originally Posted by ocZZ
ok, seriously, you can use arctic silver thermal epoxy. But don't call it glue.
He probably wants to reapply it with the black thing AMD uses to "glue" IHS... what is that?
i wouldnt use that as it looks like a goop, might hurt contact, honestly i would either use something like krazy glue or just nothing at all. good TIM contact would hold it in place pretty good imo.
I used RV sealant, basically a silicone based product , just used a dab on the corners and clamped the IHS on.
good call UnG
how come you put it back on?
I put it back to stock cooling, reduced the voltage and set it to run 1.2Ghz at low volts with IHS on.
It was the Venice for my Dads HTPC, does 2.7 plus on air with IHS off and a BT. Higher for 3D benchies. Was easier to get the stock cooler to fit with IHS on. (when I say stock cooler, it's the stock cooler off a 4200 so it has two heatpipes).
Anyhow, it worked well, instead of AS5 I used really gooey white Antec stuff between the core and IHS. Worked just as well as it did before I took it off.
I got it off fine and haven't crushed my core, and dont think i really need to worry about it. I made some foam feet that compress to about .027" (fully compressed!!) and the core is about .034" tall. I;ve tightned my water block down pretty darn tight and pulled it off to see a nice grease spread pattern, so i;m no longer worried. It did drop my temps almost 8c at load. and now im prime and mostly super pi stable. i ran 2 instances of super pi and 2 instances of prime 95 and 1 super pi failed, but the other 3 did fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by IvanAndreevich
Will a stock cooler from a retail venice make proper contact once the IHS is removed?
I want to remove the IHS on my opteron 146 :P. My main worries are bending pins or cutting through the PCB by accident...
also, how thin shoudl the razor blade be? i already scratched the pcb board and it still works =P
edit: i am also using an xacto knife.
I came across this article http://www.overclockers.com/tips1197/
Has anyone noticed this issue, particularly with a d-tek whitewater?
I'd love to pop the lid on my cpu, but this makes me somewhat hesitant. I suppose I could always sand down the cam, but I would be afraid of cutting through and damaging the lever mechanism.
This is definity scary. I would prolly need about 60 stiches after I cut myself. One question though. Should you leave processor in board while doing this so no pins get bent and acts as sorta a "vice" to handle processor a little better? I really big like 13 ring size and could palm a basketball at like 14.. not very nimble person.
good luck working a razor around the proc socket, all those nice caps to rip off.
better off just holding it and being careful imo.
use the sponge that came with the cpu and then put that on something spongy, the pins will go into the cpu pad and won't move at all. ;) of course, that doesn't stop u from cutting into the pcb, ehhehe. :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebo
Quote:
Originally Posted by Enz0
hi.. e6 venice update
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/4650/hpim23820qh.jpg
e6 manchester updete...
e6 manchaster = e6 toledo!! (2*512kb cahce)
http://img493.imageshack.us/img493/2340/hpim24197oo.jpg
Thank you very much, kocsonya.
I've updated the post.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=491
so i have been reading a couple places. i really want to learn how to remove the ihs for a while. from what i read throughout many forums. i realized that removing the ihs is easy and piece of cake as long as i have the right tools such as the blade and the right thermal compounf i should be set to go.
as of right now i have a 4400+ and it's not overclcoking well with high temps. so i decided to take a risk of either selling the 4400+ for a low price or something or remove the ihs. i'm leaning toward the ihs side right now since i haven't got any offers yet.
the only problem that i'm having right now is how to put on the xp90c that i have onto a dfi mobo without crushing the core on the 4400+ after remova of the ihs. from what i know the xp90c is hell of a lot heavier to put on then other hs.
also i heard that you can put on the heatsink attached to the retention bracket and then screw it on to the backplate as a form of a bolt on. i was wondering if this effective. also is there a way for me to do this? is there pictures? do i need foam on the other side of the cpu?fplease fill me in with all the information you have about putting on a xp90c. thanks
Alright guys I'm currently doing this as I type this to my opty 146 (on a second pc, obviously :P) and I'm really nervous. I taped off roughly 3mm on the blade. I've seen some black foamy stuff come off, but i haven't really pushed too hardm, afraid i'll hit something. How deep should I cut in on these opty's? If I dont cut deep enough I'll never get it off, but I just cant figure out how much I need to do it.
The black sealant is exactly 3 centimeters thick, do NNNNOOOTTTT go past 3 cm or u will cut off resistors. Measure your blade for 3cm thickness and you'll be fine. Make sure you measure correctly.
so you DO have to use quite a bit of force to get thru that 3mm of thickness though, right?
wait wait, 3mm or 3cm?
I think he means 3mm. ;)
It's 3mm anyway.
sorry, I wrote that kind of quick, yes 3 mm, and no u don't need alot of pressure, just a steady hand
w00t i did it :) lol i cut off the IHS of a X2 3800+ (E4)
I used a blade from a disposable razor (tore apart the plastic casing with a wrench) Then i just held it with a folded cotton pad , so pushing on the back wouldn't hurt my index finger ;)
No chipped caps or anything.. Thanks for all the info guys!
yeah i removed the ihs on my p4, had to mod the retention retention bracket to make my xp-120 have good contact, dropped the temps by about 7c, load temps are where this helps me most, idle didnt shift that much.
anyways, x2 3800 up next, but once again, i need to figure out a way to mod my retention bracket, im thinking that gringing off the nubs that hold it above the motherboard should drop everything down enough to ensure good cpu contact.
I think I made it pretty fool-proof for myself. Covered the blade with enough electrical tape not to cut myself or any of the stuff under the IHS.
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/6103/firsttry5uv.jpg
That is a fansastic pic., what did you use? Also, that space where there is no sealant, can liquid enter into there like when you clean? Did that core make contact all over the hs or just in the very center?
I bought a CAA2C with IHS removed but i want to use it with aircooling and i'm afraid of it because the heatsink i use it's very heavy (1kg).
I have the IHS but i read that without it the temperatures are better so i'm not thinking on put it back right now.
I'm going to put a 9800pro shim glued to the black rubber circles to gain height,stability and to protect the core.
Correct procedure?
Or anyone has better suggestion?
If that shim is not the same height of the cpu core it will make the temps worse.. IF your worried then try to get little pieces of neoprene (?sp) or foam like the old XP processors had to protect the core..Quote:
Originally Posted by dutchman.pt
Yes, i have the 4 pieces of foam/neoprene(!?)that are under the IHS around the core.Quote:
Originally Posted by THunDA
The cpu is exactly like in this photo...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...3&d=1131301176
---Edit---
Update :
After i glued the 9800 shim to the CAA2C the surroundings of the core stayed exactly with the same height as if it has the IHS mounted on it.
opteron 170 DC coming soon..
[opteron 170 (denmark) e6 = x2 (toledo)]
Teh Finished Produce..
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/5...product8ed.jpg
30 minutes total work for 8C less at load = :toast2: :party3: :thumbsup:
Its very easy...
My advise:
1) A CPU pretty expensive, so dont do it in a hurry, take your time!!!
2) Use a razorblade, I used a gilette...
3) As advise nr.1 take your time, DONT try'n get all through at once, use 3 rounds around the cpu before having cutt'n the thing apart..
4) Work SLOWLY, that way you can prevent accidents, if you see the blade getting down in the green stuff etc. / hitting core..
5) Using any kinda crap to remove the thermal paste is a :nono: use a freakin' Kleenex or some toilet paper, does the job perfectly and without any risk..
6+7+8+9+10) Did I mention, take your time?? - Dont rush :)
just killed my 148 removing the ihs .....knocked a cap
i just removed my 3700+ without drama about 30 mins before this one
it did 3.4 super pi bench with the ihs on
where's my bong :slapass:
Popped mine off tonight after extensively reading this thread and asking alot of advice from Ozzimark. :cool:
http://www.sourcekills.com/albums/ts...0641.sized.jpg
Took a bit longer than most of you guys, and had a really bad mount the first time, but now she's loading between 31-32C, compared to 38-40C before. :woot: Most definately worth the added work. Read about it in more detail here.
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1001133
hello..
ADAxxxxDKA4CG new "manchester" core e4 (alias venice)
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4138/hpim40508fe.jpg
Enzo, plz update:)
Thank you kocsonya.Quote:
Originally Posted by kocsonya
I've updated the post.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=491
hmm so how about heatsinks like the Scythe Ninja? Will I have to mod it to fit without the IHS? Will it crack the core if I don´t run with the IHS?
Also is the core flat on the Toledos? It looks kind of bulged on some pictures...
Getting an Opteron 170 oem version so no warranty anyway which is the same as the Toledos I guess.
That is a beautiful job. Wthell kind of camera are you using??
Great work on the removal of that IHS.
Great photo too.
Great job indeed, what is your cam kocsonya ?
how do you guys get all of the black sealant off so well? is there a trick to that???
well, lets just say i shed blood for my computer :) This is an Opteron 170 CCBWE 0543TPMW
http://thecowsaysmoo.org/budwise/pic...al/Naked-2.jpg
http://thecowsaysmoo.org/budwise/pic...al/Naked-1.jpg
Ready for the Storm!
http://thecowsaysmoo.org/budwise/pic...al/Naked-3.jpg
Results:
Before
2700 1.49vcore loaded at 38C (max 24/7 OC)
It just wouldnt be happy at 2800 no matter what i tried
After:
2800 1.53vcore loaded at 36C (prime testing and running great)
I would say although i scared myself doing it, it was definately worth it...
:D
Ok I just decided to do this and it was very scary for me. I ended up breaking off a resistor completely and cracking another one. The one that I cracked I carefully pushed back together. To my amazement the chip still works perfectly!!!! :) I get about 6C cooler idle temps and about 10-12C cooler load temps. I haven't really tested for more OC but that will come soon enough. I am just soooo happy that it still works. I wish I would have taken a picture but I just threw it back in hoping it would work and it did.
Id like to know that too.. !Quote:
Originally Posted by arctic-k20
I have a venice that I need to put the IHS back on and want to clean it up good..
Does anyone know what type of glue I should use to reapply it ?
Thanks
Another IHS removed (4th for me) :D
Load temps are down by ~10C @ 1.7V and they are below 45C TT big Typhoon.
:toast:
I cutted the pcb a bit in the corners, will my proc still work? I have no psu to test atm :/
I am dead sure now I won´t remove it. to many that mess things up and its not really worth it...
should be fine, I cut a tiny bit too.Quote:
Originally Posted by 187(V)URD@
UnG said some sort of silicon glue works great. It'll probably be somewhere up in this thread, because I know it's been asked before.
marine sealant or something... which is silicon glue... should work nice.
My proc is up and running. I was afraid I had killed it. still need to test temperatures and overclock.
i'd like to remove it from my a64 939 3200+ (only 305x8@1.5v.......).
I use a silencer64 ultra tc heatsink, so how can I permite contact between core and heatsink?
tnx
Here is what I would like to share.
CPU: AMD Venice 3000+, 9x300, 1.65V
Cooling: TT Big Typhoon, AS5
100% Load temps
1. Original IHS ~50C
2. Removed IHS ~39-40C
3. Reattached IHS with Silicone and AS5 ~ 41-43C
how did you do to permit contact between core and bigtiphoon?
I put that H-plate (that comes above cpu) on some square metal object to make it a bit higher. That way it is easier to screw. And I also used wingnuts, they are much more better.
HP:zombie:Quote:
Originally Posted by ReelMonza
and what model ?
clear e4 san diego pic & e6 san diego pic
coming soon
Just did my 165. Only took 10 minutes. I couldn't find the foam thing the cpu came with so I just left it in the socket to protect the pins. Removing it didn't help my temps though.
Opteron 148 , CAB2E 0545 MPMW
With IHS 2900 was max on water
Without IHS 3150 was max on water
Temp drop was 15-16 degrees load..
This is the worst contact i have seen on all the A64 i have removed the IHS on.
http://www.klokking.com/bilder/opt5.JPG
And the bad part, coldbugg kicks inn @ 220HTT with SS cooling.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ReelMonza
HP Photosmart R707
ISO 100
F/2.9
8mm
EXIF guys...
Sorry for offtopic :slap:
Thanks chkdsk for the tip ;)
lol... nice work:clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by ChkDsk
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/2629/hpim50237xs.jpg
san diego e4
enzo...;)
Thank you kocsonya.Quote:
Originally Posted by kocsonya
I've updated the post.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=491
san diego e6 stepping
coming soon:)
Another removed IHS ,this time on opteron :D (before only venice)
Temps dropped from 50C to 38C load.
Check pics out:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&postcount=26
great man...
my winchester dropped to 50C@2000rpm to 38C@0rpm lol
I'm worried about my temps (check sig) on load is 53C with the settings in sig, at stock (1.38v) is the same it idles at 47C and load is 53C.
My friend knows how to remove the IHS, should I go for it, but since I got a XP-90 can I resit the IHS?
Thanks.
Have anyone else made a keychain out of their heatspreader ?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...2_Keychain.jpg
Here is my removal procedure. Unfortunately, you have to register to download the movie. And prepare for quite some time, it's 75Mb in size :)
And yeah, I wear my IHS next to my flashdrive :D
Another movie here .. :)
http://files.filefront.com/IHS_remov.../fileinfo.html
I hate spare change, let alone keys or especially keychains for that matter, so NO I haven't and will not try it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SidVicious
Let me see:
1) Key to enter the building.
2) Key to enter my apartment.
3) Key to open the gate to my shed (Key #2 fits the shed).
4) Key to open my mail box.
5) Key for my moped.
6) Key for the lock of my moped.
7) Key for the lock of my bike.
8) Key from a friends place.
9) Another key from the same friends place.
10) Key from yet another moped...orso..
And so on and so forth...keys suck, all they do is make holes in your pockets and stick you in places you don't want to.:stick:
**EDIT** mnewxcv WTF happened to the middle one?
i put downward pressure on the chip trying to pry the ihs up. didnt work. bye bye fx-51. the one on the left is a opteron 140 which was my practice chip so i wouldnt mess up and kill the fx-51. didnt go as planned. anyways the one on the left is also a fx-51 which went sucessfully, but later died, not sure what happened. i thot as5 was conductive and i got some on one of the packets, but another thread says it isnt conductive? well as5 was on a packet and smoked pours from the chip. end of that. proud to be on my 3rd fx-51. :)
Did you use shims? Maibe you messed up the die...:slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by mnewxcv
Quote:
Originally Posted by Heartfixer
never use shims but i have a hsf that screws down and I do one turn at a time to each side to keep it equal.
Then that's what you did. You popped the die. Shims are a must, since you can turn the screws one at a time even for 1/4 of a turn at a time, you still have TWO screws and the pressure varies too damn much. This is how i messed up the chipset on my DFI LP UT NF4 Ultra-D. Waterblock and no shims => :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: happens.
The four shims you must use on a A64 take extremely much pressure, that's why you have to use hard plastic or even hard cardboard (my own favourite since I drink a lot of boxed milk :D).
Later edit: you can see in my drawing (me no artist :D ) how shims dissipate the dangerous pressure, son that the CPU is not stressed. Mounting a heatsink on a topless CPU and then turning the motherboard in the mounting position (vertical) makes the inferior part of the CPU die to be stressed more.
idk, i kinda doubt that. I do it all the time on my opteron 140 and did it on my fx-51 while it lasted and nothing ever happened.
Popped the IHS on my best 146 and put it on water.
On air with IHS it would load around 51c with 1.55v
Currently loading at 38c with 1.61v and 3.2 Ghz clocks
:)
kocsonya...what did you use to remove the remaining black adhesive material from around the core? Your processor really cleaned up nicely.:toast:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...pim50237xs.jpg
razor blade:)Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoNuff
Popped the top off my E3 venice today.
Before:
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/1466/1before9zo.png
After:
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/1176/2after5is.png
I'm testing it on stock cooling since my xp-120 isn't bolt on. I tried my best to mod the bracket so I could get good contact. Loading at 39 degrees at 2.5GHz on stock vcore. This doesn't seem to impressive to me perhaps I need more pressure (lowering the bracket some more?) on the core. Please advise.
My 146 is next under the knife, don't like these 50+ load temps :nono:
enzo:
3700+ san diego e6 stepping = "half" toledo core!
plz update:)
Is the adhesive soft (like gum/glue/goo) or is it hard (like SuperGlue after dry, etc)?
Do you have picture of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by kocsonya
yes:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Enz0
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/4350/hpim67111mi.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/5015/hpim67041fr.jpg