Greyskull, :stick: any idea if ATI plans an AMR version of this board? I guess ATI will need a different chipset to support more PCIe lanes?
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Greyskull, :stick: any idea if ATI plans an AMR version of this board? I guess ATI will need a different chipset to support more PCIe lanes?
i do believe it has already been said that ATi will/does have an AMR version of this board, but you most likely wont see it right away. Wait 3-6 months(my own guess, nothing more) and check back. ;)
Grayskull said earlier that ATi would only be making chipsets, Not motherboards, So unless this has changed, Someone will make one, But not be ATi.Quote:
Originally Posted by trakslacker
My ESP just tingled a bit, there...
I SPECULATE THAT:
AMR motherboards are probably going to be a little after/at the same time as R520. That way ATi will have some serious new tech to kick some nVidia hiney.
I think that's what trakslacker meant. That ATI has been working on a AMR solution. At least Asus had a sample board for Intel @ Cebit. Don't know why we wouldn't see one pop up very soon for AMD. :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by zoom314
http://www.bit-tech.net/feature/80
what are the odds that this board even shows up in retail? I say its less than 40% now.
Which board, the Sapphire board or the ASUS board?Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky 4 Finger
jjcom
How much you want to wager on that? ;)
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Originally Posted by Franky 4 Finger
No fair, You have insider knowledge. :slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grayskull
Grrrrr
subscribed. :slobber:
Any more news about this chipset ?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=26367
It has no AMR. It's just for high end enthusiasts who want to pay $250+ for a board without needing to play around with two cards.
YEAH RIGHT ROFL !!!! This board is gonna suck real bad with no AMR. Even the 4v vdimm isnt gonna save it.
Seriously, the price of SLI boards is going down little by little and here are with a super board with no MVP support???
Perkam
i doubt it will be $250.
I want to place orders ffs =)
Should i go for DFI and have computer running when i get the Venice.
Or should i wait for X200 to be released and run Venice on that ?
I dont want SLI or AMR, only high clocks.
What is clever in this situation ?
I would wait and see which one is better.
Makes good sense to Me, Even though personally I'm inclined towards San Diego. :2cents:Quote:
Originally Posted by fareastgq
Well, i'd wait for the board if it was to show up soon but not knowing how long i'll have to wait is just too much, guess it will be DFI then :rolleyes:
I wonder if you will be able to add another "equal" class video card to the pcie slot and go MVP with the onboard video being the "primary" and the one in the pcie slot as secondary... how fast is the onboard video chip? They always seem to put sort of "weakish" (something a gamer wouldn't use) onboard video on the integrated boards, but I hope for an "enthusiast's" board they would not do that... or, you would hope they would not...
He, at least the Ultra D's price just went down 26€ straight today in the only brick and mortar shop that sells them around here, it will make the decision easier.
I have gooled for 2 days now..and there is nothing new at all about this chipset/motherboard.
Feed me with something. I hate when brain find something interestin and dont get any info. I had some drool over anandtechs bios screens, seems to have exact same bios settings as DFI has.
But what would make this board better ?
I to would like to know when this board is going to show in retail.
I'm not in a big hurry yet due to no Vinice, San Diego or my G5, but when the G5 gets here I hope it's out. When I have/can get those items, if it's not out then I'll prolly go with a DFI.
I find this board very tempting due to the planning for water cooling of the chipset & mosfets. I think Sapphire deserves some praise for designing for easy advanced active cooling of them, but it still has to release soon if it's going to have good sales.
I hope they arn't planning on waiting for the R520 cards to release it..... :nono:
Yeah, that would mean it would release in June :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.asp?sku=307925&cks=PRL
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.asp?sku=307851&cks=PRL
For those of you who don't understand these are confirmed in Sweden now, but I'm not sure which one of these we're discussing in this thread.
I have seen those, but it seems to cheap to be the "good" board.
Will they make several 939 boards ?
And sapphire says the board is 2-3 month away.
According to a user here that mailed them some week ago.
Exactly my thought, too cheap for a good board :/ Wish we had someone from ATi or Sapphire that could tell us.
Whats 929 Kroner's in USD$?
http://xe.com/
131 usd
Yea and that's with all our Swedish taxes included. So you'll have to pull ~20% off that price, you lucky bastards ;)
around 130dollars.Quote:
Originally Posted by uwackme
in sweden 929kronor is real cheap
a DFI board cost like 1500-2200kronor
a normal motherboard costs 200dollars+ here.
so i think this awesome ATI card is realy realy cheap
i'm really dying to get my hands on this board. so far my DFI has zapped 3x512MB of twinmos UTT, not sure who exactly is at fault, the board or the ram, but i'm inclined to think its the board. as this is already my 3rd.
Ill need a freind in Sweden I guess ;-)
I haven't been following the thread, but these boards listed at komplett are probably OEM oriented, not the "Grouper" board.
Neither of those is the Gruper board. I emailed komplett's main office in Norway a couple of weeks ago, and they said they were expecting the Gruper sometime in the middle of may.Quote:
Originally Posted by brassen
Ok, thanks.
Read this, seem to come 2 more, one with AMR support.
http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20050418A6032.html
Who had the idea for the white PCB? ;)
I think the colors are great.
anyone knows when this amazing mobo will be out in europe?? if it will as good as it seems it will be my next upgrade after venice..
Wow very nice mobo. :slobber:
Yeah, I really love the colors.Quote:
Originally Posted by G0DZILLA
What's the holdup with this board? By the time it's available, everyone will be craving an AMR-enabled board.
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Originally Posted by BRiT
As long as this things as fast, or faster than the NF4, I'll take it anyday :D
Not *everyone* will use AMR.. ;)
I only have an SLI mobo cuz of the mod, and overclocking.. hehe :D (and dfi doesnt offer a non sli capable one.. lol! (yet) )
Anyone got any news when this board will be released, or any clues on pricing.
Thanks
ATI reps have gone MIA. Does this mean major delays? Even if it was a small delay, ATI reps would probably have entertained us to keep our patience high.
With the current introductions of new tech, the tradeshows, etc, it's not surprising to see no word on this board right now. April and september are two of the busiest months in the industry, so do keep that in mind.
I'd just like to see the board on shelves..i don't need more than that. INfo i can wait for after it hits retail.
In 2 months the R520 cards and RD580 (or whatever the nextgen AMD performance chipset will be called) are expected to be released. I wouldn't be surprised if Sapphire just sits this one out. Sapphire has not given any release date yet or even replied to a thread in their own forum, and would it be smart to release a board for enthusiasts, when the nextgen chipset is just some weeks away? I just hope they pull their thumbs out their :slapass: and at least release the nextgen boards in a reasonable timeframe. The grouped MOSFETs are ingenious, most boards are just not suited for serious overvolting without diy mosfet/cg cooling.
The reps are not MIA. They are simply very busy.
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Originally Posted by situman
Busy getting this board to market I hope.
I have all the componets I need for another machine Except for a shiny new Built buy Saphire ATI based board. :comp10:
My guess: Sapphire is taking their sweet time because they just dont want to release a buggy board,ie;DFI nF4's :rolleyes:
Better take the time to make it right than get a boatload of pissed customers.
I say the one thing that really worries me here is Sapphire's seldom update the BIOS for the motherboards they currently produce.
Hopefully this will chage with this sweet looking board.
DFI is not buggy... its the person setting up the board which makes it buggy. Ive had no problems along with a lot of other people :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanobot
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Originally Posted by The Mofo
Well I spent two days trying to get mine to boot,and I'm not alone either.
I'm not a n00b and I followed every thread on the DFI nF4 !
Off topic,my bad...
I rather have it buggy as long as its bios related, then nothing at all.
Even if it does not boot i can at least look at it in the box =)
Sorry Grayskull, just anxious to see what the board can do in the hands of some enthusiasts.
Yeah, some infos from Sapphire or ATI would be nice at this point and it wouldn't take so much time for someone there, so beeing busy certainly not explain the blackout :nono:
Confirmed to arrive on Tuesday in Sweden:
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.asp?sku=307851&cks=PRL
And that's a bargain price too! That price would appear at under $90 in the US, if you wonder.
that's not the board.
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Originally Posted by Grayskull
that board is a "p". I want the red/white, and intergrated graphics, as well as all the overclocking options...you can overclcok without having to buy a vidcard.
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.asp?sku=307925&cks=PRLQuote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
This one arrives also tomorrow, with on-board graphics. But it's true, it doesn't come in white. Hmm... are we sure there will be a release of the white board?
different PWM design, so i'd say no.
thats not the Guper board, what i've heard is that the gruper will be realesed in late may o in june,and it will be the white pcb and sapphires logo on it, so it's just to wait :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Pjotr
Well It's gone from Grouper(a fish), to Gruper(?), to Guper. I wonder is Gipper next? Or even Goober for that matter? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by chefnr1
^ yep. these magical name changes that keep appearing on the forum are a great way to start misinformation. As far as I know its still the Grouper, as both of the ATi boards seem to be staying in the fish family(bullhead, grouper).
gruper - Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 :
Grouper \Group"er\, n. [Corrupted fr. Pg. garupa crupper. Cf.
Garbupa.] (Zool.)
(a) One of several species of valuable food fishes of the
genus Epinephelus, of the family Serranid[ae], as the
red grouper, or brown snapper (Epinephelus morio), and
the black grouper, or warsaw (Epinephelus nigritus),
both from Florida and the Gulf of Mexico.
(b) The tripletail (Lobotes).
(c) In California, the name is often applied to the
rockfishes. [Written also groper, gruper, and
trooper.]
[1913 Webster]
well there ya have it. Guess there is indeed more than one spelling. well, my bad. :)
Definatly going to be my next mobo, even if my dfi board is too much for me to handle =)
might be a bit too late as M2 and all that junk is being announced for 2006?
Yup! M2 and R600, then in 2007 we will have........
The board was announced and tested by anand in november 2004. We're almost half a year further and still no sign of it. After the X800XT PE fiasco, ATi is surely building up a good reputation of launching but not delivering.
To quote anand (article from November 8th, 2004): "... Enthusiast boards based on the RX480 and high-end designs with the RS480 are shipping, as it will still be several weeks until these boards make their way to market.
Obviously ATi still don't know "the way to the market". I'll be glad to show it to you and oh, if you're coming, please bring some XT800XT PE's, some X700XT's, some X850XT PE's, some 512MB cards, and all other paper launched hardware with you. K? Thanks. Bye.
wow harsh lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaLDoL
Anywho... has anyone seen results for the ECS xpress200 board? now theres 2 with xpress200 on newegg. The micro MSI and the ECS. The MSI has no overclocking capabilities whatsoever but what about the ECS?
I doubt ECS will have many, if any, overclocking options. Just isn't their style, but I wouldn't be too surprised to see just a few
jjcom
Looks like Jetway has sone RS480's in the works. You will need Acrobat reader to view specs.
Has one section that Shows "magic bios FSB stepping to assist overclocking" if it had some voltages then :woot: JetWay
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Originally Posted by jjcom
ECS has been providing quite a few overclocking options recently... nothing compared to the DFI's, but just about as good as Asus's. :)
Depends on the board, they had that one A64 board I believe alittle while back that wasn't too bad. I'll hope for another A64 overclocking board from them, :woot:
jjcom
Any updates on this board? I want to know if I will be able to purches one around the first week of june or so. The earlier the better though :P
Yes, I too would like to know what's going on with this board, as the Venice and S.D. are now here, and the AMDX2 and FX57 on the horizon.
Thanks,
Brian
Yes, nearly 3 months after the thread creation and about 59 000 views, i guess we're a good bunch waiting for infos :fact:
:slapass: for the "marketease".
So many waiting for info on this :confused:
Can't believe they havn't thrown us a bone.
People tend to forget or lose interest in things, if they arent reminded of it once in a while.
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Originally Posted by winston64
Ditto :stick:
Wait until after Computex.
i'm really looking forward to the release of this mobo.
i'hope that it's oc-performance is as good as the dfi nf4 performance.
and hopefully this cool ati-multi-card-feature is already integrated :)
additionally i need to know if the board has any kind of sub-zero problems cuz i#ll change to a vapochill or chill1/ice's cooling unit :)
then i'll go and buy it :)
mfg
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Originally Posted by phourstar
That's an RS(Radeon Single) chipset...we want RD(Radeon Dual). :fact:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22988
"Smells like we will see many of those boards at Computex."
"SLI wars will begin during June, we suggest."
:clap:
well if the news that the inquirer is true then this is gonna suck, since it was rumored that ati's mvp was just driver based and that any board that supports 2 8x pcie slots would work.
Wow...making up abbreviations is SO COOL :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
The RS nor the RD have anything to do with single or dual video card support. Here's a rundown on what they mean:
RX480: The first AMD Chipset to be released. Standard Board with SATA, Raid, etc. (Radeon Xpress 200P)
RS480: Variant of RX480 with Directx 9.0-capable Onboard Video (Radeon Xpress 200G)
RS400: ATi's Intel Chipset with DDR/DDR2 memory Controller and two PCI-E slots (may not be mvp capable even with two 16/4 config)
RU/RC400: Value Intel mobo chipsets.
RD400: (As seen on Hexus) MVP Capable Intel Mainboard chipset.
RX482: MVP Capable chipset for AMD based on RX480.
RS482: Based on RX482, MVP Capable, with onboard video.
Perkam
But the Sapphire we are waiting for does not have Multi Rendering right ??
So we can just close this thread and skip it ?
Or am i wrong ?
This thing isnt MVP Capable, but that doesnt mean it wont be good. And with the R5xx series of cards, you wont immediately need two of them to break WRs ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ubermann
These are for enthusiasts who wont be going MVP and therefore this board might be cheaper than the MVP alternatives. This was supposed to be an example of the (correct :rolleyes: ) implementation of the ATI Mainboard chipset for AMD, nothing else, but you have to :slobber: at the features though...4v vdimm, sata2...:eek:
Perkam
I've seen several sites call ATI's MVP/AMD solution "RD480" and "RD580" too. :wth: :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Well there are things I'm unsure about, but...holy !! Where in the world did you get RD580 from ????? lol The only incarnation of xx580 would be the successor of the R520 the R580 (just as there was R420 and R480)...It's quite simple to be confused by these numbers ;) .Quote:
Originally Posted by xenolith
Anyway, to my knowledge, the RD/RC and RU will be for the Intel platform, and the RX/RS will for the AMD platform.
The only possibility of a change from my post you quoted is the possible addition of, as you said, RD480, if ATi doesnt go RX482 for MVP chipsets.
I have yet to see this RD480, however, i can say with quite certainty that the D in RD doesnt stand for dual....lol.
Perkam
didnt hexus also write that mvp will be driver based and not chipset based, although there will be ati chipsets that support it?Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
:confused:
Most likely driver based, but that wont negate the need for a different high-end chipset ;) ...dont expect MVP mobos to be cheap or to have IDE slots lol ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by P_1
Perkam
No IDE? :(Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
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Originally Posted by perkam
also read:Quote:
Sources revealed that ATi is planning to launch their RD400 chipset next month to compete against NVIDIA nForce4 SLI Intel Edition chipset. ATI RD400 is going to paired up with ULi M1573 southbridge that supports Pentium 4, Pentium D and Pentium Extreme Edition processors, 1066Mhz FSB, Dual Channel DDR2-667, 6 SATA RAID and Azalia Audio.
Certainly, the most anticipated feature of RD400 is the support for Multi VPU technology or previously known as AMR (ATI Multi Rendering) where two different PCIe graphics cards can work hand in hand without a need for SLI-like bridge. ATi RD480 that supports Multi VPU as well will come in the near future for AMD processors. The 2nd generation of RD400 chipset coming second half of the year will allow SMA (graphics onboard) to run in conjunction with an external PCIe graphics card. Certainly the onboard graphics will not be wasted if an external graphics card is plugged in and both will run in dual GPUs mode.
Source: VR-Zone
http://www.hardware-mag.de/news.php?id=37916
and:
http://mb.zol.com.cn/2005/0415/163585.shtml
- http://www.theregister.com/2005/04/1...hipset_update/Quote:
Both are believed to be 110nm die-shrinks of the existing RS480 and RC400 chipsets, respectively. Like those parts they feature ATI's RV370 integrated graphics engine.
The chipsets may also support ATI's bridgeless answer to Nvidia's SLi, allowing two graphics engines to co-operatively render 3D images. Both chipsets will certainly support PCI Express.
Even if the RS482 and/or the RC410 don't support multi-rendering, ATI's RD400 chipset will. This part is targeted at Intel's dual-core Pentium Extreme Edition part, which begin shipping yesterday, and will go head-to-head with Nvidia's nForce 4 SLi Intel Edition chipset. It's being claimed by some that the ATI part will ship with a ULi South Bridge which will add HD audio and six-port Serial ATA RAID to the North Bridge's 1066MHz frontside bus and dual-channel 667MHz DDR 2 SDRAM support.
It looks like the RD400 will be launched this quarter, possibly next month, though some reports suggest it won't ship until Q3. An AMD-oriented version, the RD580, is apparently scheduled to ship soon after. ®
and then, here's another, where the rd480 chipset was announced in asian countries, with a picture, of this chipset you think does not exist:
- http://translate.google.com/translat...004-49,GGLD:enQuote:
Other day, ATi used the RD480 chip group's motherboard product official exposure which it soon promoted. Formerly we gave everybody report ATi soon promoted two " the trump card " - RD400 and RD480, these two section chips group supported double PCI-E reveals the card, supports ATi Multi the VPU technology prepares people's attention.
About the RD400 chip group, formerly greatly unfolded in CecBit2005, the Chinese large company once displayed uses this chip group the motherboard product, moreover at the end of May will be able to see this chip group officially went on the market. Chip group and the RD400 chip group equally all supports double PCI-E in view of AMD the platform design RD480 reveals the card, all supports Mulit the VPU technology, platform is in vogue facing now AMD the K8 market present situation, people to RD480 chip group's anticipation degree as if higher somewhat. Under we give everybody look ATi uses the RD480 chip group the motherboard project model product picture:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=29722
RD480 integration demonstration core, if does not have the accident, should be integrates RADEON the X300 demonstration core. South the bridge aspect may choose south ATi oneself SB450 the bridge chip, also may select south ULI M1573 the bridge chip, actually this section RD480 chip group also may say is the RS480 chip group's promotion edition.
Under take above this section ATi the RD480 motherboard project model as the example, detailedly introduces RD480 motherboard to everybody the technical specification! This section motherboard supports AMD Socket939 Athlon64/64 the FX processor; Supports the double channel DDR400 memory, the board carries 4 memories slots, most greatly supports 4gb; South this section project model embarkation SB450 the bridge chip, supports 4 SATA connection, supports the RAID 0/1/0+1 function; The expansion aspect quite is also rich, provides two PCI-EX16 slot, supports Multi the VPU technology, moreover also has one PCI-EX1 slot, two PCI slot and two CNR slot; In addition this section motherboard also supports 1000000000000000 ether networks, 8 sound tracks sounds effect output, 8 USB2.0 connection and so on.
Generally speaking, let is RD480 chip group motherboard finally this present existence which the person was happy, at present, still had several questions is not very clear, what pattern was that the double PCI-EX16 slot work under? Whether or not can does the integrated demonstration core compare on the X300 one scale? The integration demonstrates whether or not can the core does meet with outside reveals the card carries on parallel exaggerates? Must make after understands these questions look at a sample want when ATi Multi the VPU technology official issue, only then can truly completely understand.
Perk, try as hard as you may to make people look wrong, you only make yourself look childish. Please do not try to argue with me, unless you can back it up. Here, in this post, is backup for my earlier post. What do you have?
There is nothing in those links that I havent already accounted for in my prevoius responses. I have already stated that the RD480, because I saw the RD400 Intel MVP solution, may be the MVP solution for AMD and that ATI may be abandoning the originally reported **482 chipset name.Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
Other than that, I've covered my points pretty well. I myself did not merely post without looking at a few articles ;) and I'm sure you found articles that verified at least some of my info as dead on ;) . Where exactly have I given misleading info, Cadaveca?? ...and btw, might I suggest you take a glass of cold refreshing water before you post or correct me outright cos at the end of the day, its not worth blowing a fuse over ;)
Perkam
You said i made up abbreviations, an obvious flame. I, on the otherhand, posted my sources. Where are yours? If you are indeed right, you should share the info with us all, rather than having the condescending attitude you do. :fact:Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Ofcourse not omg why would i try to confirm anything, i meant it'll have like SATA2 and what not so dont expect JUST traditional IDE lolQuote:
Originally Posted by dippyskoodlez
This is where I said you where making them up:
And saying you're making up abbreviations is not a flame...and I could give you recent examples too of real flames ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cadaveca
Perkam
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Originally Posted by perkam
Maybe i know something you don't, maybe? Oh, you are the utmost authority on this issue, i forgot! :slap: Oh so sry...i'll let you get back to that. :toast:
My bad then. Its just really new to me, and I was thinking you used the coincidence that they had those letters in them to say that RS meant Single and RD meant Dual...I could be wrong, and so could you, because its yet to be released and most of us are in the fog for it...Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
Getting back to this thread...omg :rolleyes: lol you throw a pebble into the water and you're expected to dodge torpedoes lol. This isnt an MVP board but shows the capabilities of the AMD ATI chipset at its best.
Would be nice to finally see benchies on these though :(
Perkam