hi
ripjaw 1600-4GBRM 7-8-7-24 with serial 10111040 and 10171040 (2 kits 2x2gb) with the production weeks is possible to know if they are psc X or T ?
thanks for any help
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hi
ripjaw 1600-4GBRM 7-8-7-24 with serial 10111040 and 10171040 (2 kits 2x2gb) with the production weeks is possible to know if they are psc X or T ?
thanks for any help
You can never be sure, but you have a nearly 100% chance of both kits being X-PSC, afaik GSkill starting using T around midth of year 2010, and even afterwards there were lots of kits that used X
I guess both kits have a high chance of PSC X-series, though I'd probably go for the earlier kit ( 1011 ) to be safe. Do you own the kits already?
no
have them in a auction site in my country
there are 3 but they are not cheap, thats why i asked, i have allready bought enough t?s :-)
thanks for your help
will try to get them
Got a question for you guys...
I just noticed today for the first time (I'm slower than most :) ) that not only are there two versions with different timings of the GSkill Trident DDR3-2000 CL9, one being 9-9-9-24 and the other 9-9-9-27, but there are also different variants that have what I refer to as (A) the "single-sided" PCB, which has all of the SMC that are located just above the gold contacts mounted on one side of the PCB, and (B) the normal "double-sided" PCB which has those same SMC split up and mounted on both sides of the PCB.
Here are some pics of what I'm referring to.
Pic of the side with the SMC:
http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/s...07-2014_01.jpg
Pic of the label side without any of the SMC:
http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/s...07-2014_01.jpg
Pic of a pair of "normal" D/S modules, with the SMC visible on both the front and back sides:
http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/s...07-2014_01.jpg
So my main question is whether or not anyone has pulled the spreaders off one of these S/S PCB versions and confirmed that they use the same ICs as the D/S (0640=BBSE)? Typically the modules with S/S PCBs are in fact, single sided modules, but I know that at least some of the 4GB Crucial Ballistix DDR3-1866 CL9 use this S/S PCB, yet sport memory chips on both sides of the PCB, therefore it could very well be that both PCB styles are using 16 chips of BBSE. A follow up question would be, if both PCB styles use the same 16 BBSE memory chips, whether or not one performs better than the other.
I'm just trying to find out whether or not the Tridents are the same as those Ballistix I mentioned above, or if by chance the S/S version is using a different IC, for example, a single row of the Elpida ICs used in the "ver2.12" Corsair 2x4GB kit which msimax posted about here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=1#post5228187
On a side note, I also found similar S/S PCBs being used in a Trident DDR3-1600 CL8 kit with PSC chips. Can't hardly believe that I never noticed this before, but I guess since the release of single-sided 4GB MFR modules, I've been more aware of the single vs double sided module.
Pic of the 1600 CL8 kit (PSC based):
http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/s...07-2014_01.jpg
Anybody have any experience with these single-sided PCB modules?
These are single sided, afaik G.Skill used BCSE
Speaking of Tridents:
single-sided 1GB and dual-sided 2GB modules use 1Gbit ICs - those are BBSE, PSC, Hypers or whatever, depending on spec and SN.
single-sided 2GB and dual-sided 4GB modules use 2Gbit ICs - I guess those should be BCSE.
Single-sided (SS) and dual-sided (DS) modules do indeed have different SMD arrangement on the PCB.
As you mentioned, SS have dense SMD arrangement on one side (compared to DS modules) and the second side empty.
Exclusions do exist, but mostly on old (pre-2010) modules.
Thanks for the replies. So then there is definitely some value to noting whether the Trident 2000 kits are single-sided or double-sided.
Just continue to be amazed that I never noticed that there were single-sided versions of the Trident 2000 C9 kits.
Referencing these two statements posted above:
Quote:
Originally Posted by websmile
Would BCSE be a reasonable guess as to what is being used by Corsair in that Dominator 2x4GB 1866 CL9 ver2.12 kit that msimax was testing at 2600+ (the one I linked above)?Quote:
Originally Posted by TaPaKaH
Yes, I think so. Elpida's earlier and later 2Gbit ICs that I've seen or tried were much worse than the "typical BCSE" so I can't imagine anything else as a potential candidate for DDR3-2666.
After RMA , my BBSE change to EBSE :D (xxxx0690xxxx)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...27718667_n.jpg
I've never seen EBSE before. How do these clock?
Crappy Hynix BFR (Ripjaws X 2133 9-11-9), won't do tRCD=11 at 2400 :mad:
http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/a...psba254a2f.jpg
Have two sets I've been trying to bench but I don't have a clue what I'm doing and setting the fsb in bios yields me a locked computer and upon restart I get overclock failed on the first set of 1600mhz @ 1866mhz. I have no clue what to do from this point and my attention span has been burned out with this mess. I've read overclocking guides but everything in each one is way over my head and I don't understand any of it so meh
4x4gb GSkill Ripjaws Z 1600MHZ (0160)
01xx - Micron
0140/0160
4X4gb GSkill Ripjaws X 1866MHZ (1800)
x800 - Elpida
0800/1800
3800 MxH-E Hyper
That's where they sit on the charts. I can't get the heat spreaders off to see exactly which chips they have. My thoughts were to keep the lower benching set because I just don't bench for my life. Then flip the other set to make back some money on a combo deal I did on Anandtech with a MIVE and 2600K. I only purchased the combo for the cpu and expected to flip the board easily along with the ram once I got it benched. (Keeping one kit or the other.)
I'm about to just put up one of the kits for sale and call it done because I don't know what I'm doing with memory benching and don't understand it.
Benching my cpu and trying to get it stable over 50x100 pretty much burned me out and today is probably the last cool day we have until fall so yea.
Can you give us more info about your setup and what you've tried?
Don't expect too much, both kits aren't known for being overclocking monster.
Well I set everything to a T from this guide other then the ram @ 1866mhz. I'm sure it needed voltage adjustments or something but it would keep cycling after I saved the bios settings and never showing a screen other then black. Until it would lock up and I would have to force shut it down. When I would turn it back on I got the overclock failed message.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don_Dan
As I said I just flat out don't understand the memory overclocking bit because it is way over my head and there is way too much involved in it. I really wanted to find out what they would do though so I can list them at their benched specs for sale. I see people all the time with ram for sale that does this on that and this with these timing's. Which is of course all greek to me but people look for that stuff when they are buying ram. Mainly I don't want to under price some fairly decent ram so I wanted to see what each set would do so I could sell the better performing set. Since I don't regularly overclock. Gaming shows no improvements in overclocking when your running 16gig or ram, 3770k, and 7970. If they did you would have to benchmark the gaming to notice any difference because the naked eye can't.
All I've been playing for the last 2 years is MWO when I'm not gaming I'm mining off my 7970 to fund my next gpu purchase. I have too busy of a life to game all the time. When I do have spare time I like to bench my system (cpu/gpu) in 3dmark. That of which I haven't had a chance to do yet with this build. (I've had this 3770k and 7970 for over a year if that shows you how much tinkering time I have) So you could imagine my frustration with spending most of the day (6am-2pm) benching my cpu trying to get over 5.0 to then drop into unknown territory of memory overclocking and not having anything I read be retained.
I can no longer read books and haven't been able to for at least 15 years. Once I get 5-6 pages in the first 1-2 pages I read are like an afterthought to me. It's very frustrating. So to read about what 50 different settings do but only know partially what the last couple do um yea I should just hang it up and pick which set of heat spreaders looks best in my build and sell the other one. Apples to oranges they would be ran at 1600mhz all the time or 1866mhz. Because I don't feel the need to overclock ram just to game. It would have just been testing purposes only and for future use when I have another cool day and time to actually run 3dmark on my new build.
I would love someone local to come over and explain this crap to me. It may actually make sense then. lol
Mystery Elpida IC + G.Skill, Round Two.
I took a chance on a 2014 kit of F3-12800CL6D-4GBPI on eBay, listed as new in the box. I could see the serial from the photos, 14151800, indicating Elpida chips, and they definitely appeared to be double-sided.
http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps7777dfd5.jpg
I got them in today. Looking under the spreaders initially, I was surprised to see white stripes on the ICs. Heated them and pulled the spreaders off.
http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/a...psdf0eb3a1.jpg
http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps8e1c5a6e.jpg
http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps7f4c3d27.jpg
They're definitely 1Gbit xxSE chips, and looking at the code, the key letter is "B". These are either BBSE or EBSE. No idea how in the world such ICs are showing up on 2014 kits (I assume this was an RMA replacement for the original owner similar to ihog6hog's post above).
What is more interesting is that these xBSE were apparently made (or at least labeled) at week1105, more than a year after production of BBSE has supposedly stopped.
How exciting. Please make a thorough test of them :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An
Nice find, did you try them yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An
Starting slow to see what they can do. Basic 2133 8-9-7-24-1T testing right now. Looks like they need 1.70v.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don_Dan
http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps1513a866.png
Not bad, what about 2133 7-9-7 and higher clocks?
As I said, don't expect too much from them, middle class RAM is very tighly binned today. For starters just set 1.65V Vdimm and 11-11-11-30 timings and try which divider you can boot.Quote:
Originally Posted by scgt1
Or just keep the higher spec'd kit and sell the other one.
Both of these kits guaranteed to be Samsung right? What exact ICs would I expect? Wanted to get both kits but was late on the draw and could only get one.
http://cdn.overclock.net/5/5b/5bde2f...05_211904.jpeg
I think both will have the same 4Gbit revision B Samsungs and there won't be much in between in terms of overclocking.
Figured as much. Only kits relevant for 8gb benching is Corsair Dominators?Quote:
Originally Posted by TaPaKaH
If you're talking about 2x4GB benchkits, "relevant" stuff is based on Samsung 2Gbit D-rev, best samples of which are to be found on kits rated 2400 9-11-11 or 2600/2666 10-12-12 (regardless of the maker).
Anyone know whats under the hood on F3-17000CL9Q-8GBZH? Sorry I don't have the serial numbers. Its a 4x2GB kit.
I think it's Samsung 2Gb D-rev, going after this post in the RAMlist thread at i4memory. However, part numbers don't match, it was a F3-17000CL9Q-16GBZH kit as shown in the picture.
This depends on age of the kits, older samples will have Hynix CFR, I tested these personally and ICs were confirmed by removing HS
Timings are 9-11-10-28 at 1.65V
Nov 2011 sticker on the heatspreader
99% cfr
1150 kit, december 2011
http://abload.de/thumb/ripjawszf3-17000c9q-82fjsr.jpg
:( Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by websmile
I'm looking for 4x2GB of PSC for X79 with the hopes of 2600 to 2666 at 8-12-8 timings or better if possible.
I sold my last two PSC quad kit (2400c8 RipjawZ/ Mushkin 2000C7) recently, afaik the 2400c8 are the only RipjawZ with PSC. will be hard to get a genuine quad kit, you may consider buying two dual kits of same manufacturer and more or less similar bin to get what you want, because quad kits are extremely hard to find. G.Skill for example offtered only 1600c6, 1600c7 and 2200c7 as genuine quad kits with psc apart from 2400c8s Z-Series, and the first two kits are of very doubtful quality
Yeah, I kind of figured I'd have to combine a couple of 2x2GB kits
How about the 2x2GB sets of F3-12800CL8D-4GBTD ?
Can't check the serial number on them to be sure, picture says Sept. 2011 on the sticker.
Even if they have '104' in the serial number that indicates PSC, chance of X-series on a 1600C8 kit made in Sep2011 is very low and chance of it being what you're looking for is effectively nil.
Sam posted this link in his "Interesting Memory Deal" thread today.... It has a Date/IC code of 1419250B? for part # F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM.
http://item.ebay.com/181423382012
Yeah, every now and then you get a kit that has a letter instead of a digit in that last spot of the 4-digit IC code. I seems that I've noticed the letter in kits originating outside of the US.
By the way, that so-called "4th spot" on the IC code may really be nothing more than a placeholder, as you always see either a letter, or a zero in that spot. Or at least I don't recall ever seeing anything else used.
Does anyone know of any G.Skill with Samsung IC's still available at Newegg?
Yes.
2400C9 TridentX: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231638
2600C10 TridentX: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231591
Quote:
Originally Posted by TaPaKaH
By chance does anyone know whether this current batch of GSkill C9 & C10 kits at the Egg are shipping with HCH9s (S/N code = 1500) or with HYK0 (S/N = 2500)?
Is one better than the other? Sorry for all the questions, I don't follow the small details for memory too much. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
It would be of some importance if you were to bin OEM modules - general trend is that 1600C11 versions (xxK0) clock better than 1333C9 versions (xxH9).Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunslinger
But on stuff pretested by memory manufacturers you're not going to spot any consistent difference between 1333C9 (xxxx150xxxxxxx SN) and 1600C11 (xxxx250xxxxxxx) IC JEDEC-ratings at all.
Reason I asked is because I've got HCH9 samples of both of those kits and would like to locate some HYK0 variants.
I can locate these in my drawer, at least for two 2600c10 kits, but this is sure no big help :D - what I can tell you is that these are quite new, I bought at germany and they are week 19 2014 :) 2500 SN
Thanks for sharing that info. At least I now know that there are still some HYK0 kits available.
Any ideas on results? I'd like to get a Samsung based kit but people asking outrageous prices for them on the forums. So if I could get a kit of these with somewhat similar results, I will.Quote:
Originally Posted by websmile
EDIT:
Anybody with experience with these kits I'd like to hear about.
I tested a few settings, 2,00v for one kit 2800 c9-12-12-21 32M, other one does 2800 10-12-12 at 1,65v. Good Samsungs should do 2800c9 at 2,05v or less, excellent ones at 1,95v and below imho. Normally 2v is the magical limit, but I am quite tolerant because IMCs and boards can influence results, my current rig is not too good on Sams. Tbh, I would of of course like to sell you a kit, but with current currency conversion rates of dollar/euro I would have to take more money from you than you would pay at newegg for example and it might be better if you look at amercan forums for good pretested kit :)
G.Skill (March 2014) 150L ???
The fourth letter or digit is either a zero or in some countries a letter, this has no meaning in terms of IC quality afaik. 150L are Samsung, dual sided sticks have most likely Samsung D 2Gbit
Finally managed a freaking 2400 Cas8 run with tWCL6 on some PSC (G.Skill Pi 2000C6).
http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps33b05205.png
Congrats! :)
hi everyone
I have a new memory kit from rma, it's samsung HCH9 ?
thanks for any help
http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/...psbfa9d705.jpg
Seems to be dual sided, Samsung D most likely, HCH9. If it is single sided, these are most likely B, I cannot judge perfectly from view I have on the picture
@websmile yes, dual sided on this memory
i will try to test next week, after my processor back ;)
thanks for your help :)
does anyone know what IC would be in a gskill 2666 cl11 tridentX kit made may 2014? MFR?
I dont have serial numbers and this is all info the shop gives me..:(
Over at OCN, in the big memory thread, SamOCX says it's MFR now: http://www.overclock.net/t/1268061/o...#post_22662151Quote:
Originally Posted by jimba86
Any idea what Samsung some double sided, black PCB F3-2400C10D-8GZH with 13382500 SN could be?
Probably Samsung 2Gbit D-die, 1600MHz JEDEC bin.
Chance they use the same JDEC bin Corsair does on Dominator Platinum's? I assume not but out of curiosity, what does Corsair use? HYK0? HCH9?
Both actually. The JEDEC speed bin isn't really important, as long as it's Samsung 2Gbit D-die.
Have we figured out the SNs for DDR4? Looks like xxxx3400 is Hynix, but there also is xxxx3300 like with this kit.
I think most 2400C10 kits made G.Skill are made with Samsung 4Gb B-rev chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by filmbot
Thanks for the link!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An
3400 (= x40x) is Hynix, I've already added it to the first post in October. The review is already 2 months old, so it can only be Hynix or Micron, right? Since Hynix is already taken and so far there's no code for Micron, I guess x30x is Micron.
The first post has been updated with some info about the DDR4 kits.
I made some changes in the OP again.
These should for sure be PSC:
http://www.abload.de/img/1321256873fnun4.gif
https://abload.de/img/img_20180903_1837125173e0q.jpg
I believe the "0240" should be a typo, although if that did end up being Hynix I feel bad for "pissdrunx1987". They are the HardwareLuxx user who owns the kit.
The "41D" seems consistent, as I have seen another 2018 kit with the same last part of the serial. I believe it is Powerchip 1GBit Revision D.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/165015396234
What's interesting is that this kit was not a "PSC bin" at all, but it's likely that PSC D is all G.Skill had available.
DDR3-2400 CL8-11-11-30 @ 1.65V for sure is an odd bin for Hynix, but so far the codes have been very reliable (for future reference Ripjaws Z 11030240xxxxx).
Maybe 2Gb BFR can do it?
I've already added the "41D" for PSC in the first post.
Think that 2400c8 set might be from Fredyama originally, need to go check my bookmarks from my desktop. BFR or CFR maybe could do this bin, as could maybe a few other non-Hynix ICs, although I'm pretty sure this is just one of those weird mislabel type cases.
It might be interesting to try and replicate those specs on a kit of F3-19200CL9Q-16GBZHD (4GB DR DDR3-2400 CL9-11-10-28 @ 1.65V) and check if it can come close to DDR3-2400 CL8-11-11-30 @ 1.65+V.
The first post has been updated.
Update in first post.
what is this? 5600 hynix kit from gskill. not showing in CPUZ. Any ideas?
Hey mate, I can't open the attachment, it's giving me an error. Can you tell me the code written on the label?
Update in first post.
Both of these kits are Samsung 1GBit G-Die, the lesser known sibling of Samsung 2GBit D-Die. Telltale visuals are dual-rank PCB, Samsung code, and early 2013 date. Seems this IC is relatively uncommon outside of OEM modules.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...0121074672.jpg
Binning strategy is very similar to Samsung 2GBt D-Die. Expect good sticks to need one higher tRP than tRCD. tRFC often does <90 for 2800mhz+. Will do one lower tWRRD as well. Most interesting, it does tRDRD 4! Dual-rank sticks on B63 will usually need a one-dimm-per-channel motherboard to do 1t at >2600mhz.
Thanks for posting!
I only have some Samsung 1Gb G-die on Transcend OEM modules.
Also small update in first post.