I would buy the Lanpatry B again . If you look over at AMBMB DFI forums you will see a BIOS engineer posting there to help with BIOS issues and performance .
You dont get that with many board manufactures .
Users have asked ABIT for BIOS issue fixes and have been largly ignored :(
Its a good board with issues like any other , but you can SEE DFI are actively trying to help their customers :)
EDIT : 500th reply :p:
I'd buy it again as well... Its the only board out there that has the most potential period. Besides, i've tired every other board a few times over and this is already my 2nd DFI board. I've tired ruffly 12 Abit Nf7-S and the last one took my prized unlocked 2500+ Bartons cache! i thought the An7 might be the solid choice but after 3 of them.. not! The last one was the flakiest board i've ever used.. The only thing i havent tried was the Asus board.
Volt-mods are straight-forward, excellent BIOS support from Oskar Wu at amdmb/dfi, scales well right out of the box, seems to have a stable BIOS/CMOS situation (and if you lose a BIOS it seems that DFI will send you a new one, no charge).
I'd hit it - two times :D
ive hit it.. THREE times already!
1st DOA
2nd KIA
3rd NIB (well almost new.. lol.. did the vdimm mod, the right way this time. it looks facotry made its so good! lol)
Killed in action... hehehehe nice one.. LOL!
Welp after further testing.. the max i can get totally stable in dual channel is at 234FSB x 10.5 at 3.20v 2v vcore.
One more FSB and bam, prime takes a dump pretty quick.. so it could just be the CPU but i doubt it since i've already tried 240 at 10x and same thing.
Quke 3 seems to be fine now.. But the Keyboard issues are still here. I guess i need to buy a cheap USB keyboard and see if it fixes the PS/2 probs.
heh might as well show some benches at this speed.
Heres another..
...
And last but not least the 3dmark 2k1. this is with the ATI AIW 9700 Pro @ 382/335.
Oh hell.. How about the highest i got here stable with SC ram..
eclypse, which bios are you using? Nice SC overclock! :toast:
Thx! I'm using the N24LDC18.. Whatever that one is.. I used the 31 before that and i believe i got the samme results with both.Quote:
Originally posted by JAWS
eclypse, which bios are you using? Nice SC overclock! :toast:
I think i'll keep playing around with it though hehe.
thats the week 18 bios.
N24LDC18
NF2 = nforce2, 4=ultra400, L=lanparty DC=december, 18=day 18
eclypse one more question...
which slot are you running SC? dimm 1? (black)
That's odd...3 of us so far stuck at 234.
i can bench Pifast up to 242 I think.Quote:
Originally posted by Mrk200
That's odd...3 of us so far stuck at 234.
only stable upto 234 tho.
memtest always says the errors are in the very last section of the 512mb. one stick could be good.:stick:
I'm not sure how far I can go unstable...but I can't seem to break 234 stable regardless of voltages.
If by memtest erring in the very last section you mean the last section of tests 5 and 8, this is often a sign of timings too tight for the FSB. If you can drop back one or two FSB and the errors disappear you've hit the limit of the RAM at that speed.Quote:
Originally posted by unrealneo
i can bench Pifast up to 242 I think.
only stable upto 234 tho.
memtest always says the errors are in the very last section of the 512mb. one stick could be good.:stick:
Give it more volts or loosen up the CL, perhaps the other timings as well.
no, i mean the error address is always between 470 and 51x MB;)Quote:
Originally posted by sjohnson
If by memtest erring in the very last section you mean the last section of tests 5 and 8, this is often a sign of timings too tight for the FSB. If you can drop back one or two FSB and the errors disappear you've hit the limit of the RAM at that speed.
Give it more volts or loosen up the CL, perhaps the other timings as well.
it'll run error free upto 234, anything above and it wont, not even when relaxing timings.:(
I believe so.. I'll try it again later on today.. I just ran the sandra burn in on the membench for 8 1/2 hours so we shall see if it did anything.Quote:
Originally posted by JAWS
eclypse one more question...
which slot are you running SC? dimm 1? (black)
So I just killed my NF7-S ...
Should I get a Lanparty or a new NF7-S ??
The Multiplier of my 2600+ was locked on my ol' 8kha+ and free on the NF7, will it be free on Lanparty ? And what's with the L12 mod, does it still work ?
Man, now i've noticed something else happening.. Last night it started and again just today whilee playing Q3.. The whole game would just reload the map outa nowhere. That and this board dont like to power up everytime and most of the time will not warm boot either.. i have to pull the AC plug out and flip the P/S on/off switch a bunch of times and then i can get it to post.
Just a few more little things like bite.. is anyone else out there having issues like these? or do i just have a bad flaky board?
Yes it will be unlocked' on the dfi.. And i idont think you need to use the L12.. i believe that was just something that was usefull on the Abit NF7 board.Quote:
Originally posted by sai
So I just killed my NF7-S ...
Should I get a Lanparty or a new NF7-S ??
The Multiplier of my 2600+ was locked on my ol' 8kha+ and free on the NF7, will it be free on Lanparty ? And what's with the L12 mod, does it still work ?
I'll order a Lanparty as soon as my money arrives ..
Well, let's see then ..
heres where i bought mine from for 135 bucks.
good price, but Micro Center is very poorly rated over at http://www.resellerratings.com/seller3266.html
I have never used them...but thats a bpretty bad rating.....
So just ordered my DFI for 139euro. If anyone wants to buy a factory new Abit NF7-S 2.0 just pm me. That'll be 90euro !
New BIOS for DFI boards from OSKAR_WU :D
See here :http://forums.amdmb.com/showthread.php?threadid=290211
No info as to what changes were made .
EDIT : from readme file :
1 . Update OPTIMAL and AGGRESSIVE CPU interface define above 200 MHz
2 . Improve nVidia AGP card performance
3 . Improve APIC stability with all device turned on @ High overclocked FSB
4 . Increase AGP controller latency as 0FFh to improve 3DMark2001SE stability
Getting it now. WTG Oskar! :D
gunna test tomorow probly.. need to test new cpu first.
Sandra is about the same under the 1-21 BIOS compared to the 12-18.
My nVidia card does run more stably. 3dmark, well I've only done one run, it was a little slower under 1-21 than the 12-18 but that 12-18 3dmark run was pretty golden, plus I'd played around tuning the rig and haven't gotten very far with tuning on the 1-21.
I haven't tried to see how high the 1-21 lets me run yet either.
Overall, 1-21 looks like a contender :)
Where to get all these BIOSs ?
Umm scroll up 4 posts from yours.....:stick:Quote:
Originally posted by sai
Where to get all these BIOSs ?
I don't want this version ..
Here ya go ;)
http://www.midnightmachine.com/modules/mydownloads/
Some of the Mosfets I think makes annoying "beeps". Not exactly beeps, dunno how to call it, it's more like "beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..." :D
Someone said that it could be a damaged mosfet, what u think of that, is my board damaged ? :(
I have this sound too, but only on this my 3rd board :confused:Quote:
Originally posted by sai
Some of the Mosfets I think makes annoying "beeps". Not exactly beeps, dunno how to call it, it's more like "beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..." :D
Someone said that it could be a damaged mosfet, what u think of that, is my board damaged ? :(
But seems to run well though. Can't wait till my second khx3200 arrives. :)
One twinmos and the kingston together don't seem to perform optimally...
just got my Infinity today, 0347A1 northbirdge.
Which one is the last BIOS (beta or not) for Infinity ?!
default bios n stuff, right out of the box 225fsb.
1/21Quote:
Originally posted by NoOne
Which one is the last BIOS (beta or not) for Infinity ?!
http://www.midnightmachine.com/modules/mydownloads/
What timings and that are you using?Quote:
Originally posted by Nookie420
default bios n stuff, right out of the box 225fsb.
Your int efficiency is only 94% and your float efficiency is only 89%, both of which are pretty low.
97/93 or even 98/94 should be your target before you start cranking the FSB ;) Low latency is king on Athlon setups, not bandwidth ;) Bandwidth is king for P4s ;)
Anyone found out what's the resistance value on that stock resistor (on the board)?
Is the other side of the stock resistor grounded?
Really Thanks dude!!Quote:
with the vcore mod i get random lockups etc... anyone have same problem?
Yeah. I think you should also post in the thread "Infinity/LP B vcore issue???" ... http://www.arcor.de/c/pub/extern.php...2&goto=newpost
:)
I can see that most of you are running your timings at 2-2-2-11. Why not at 2-2-2-6? Can't the memory run that high FSB with those timings, or is 2-2-2-11 better?
11 is usually better. It's an anamoly on the nForce2 chipset.
and it only works with dual channel on nForce2.
has anyone done the L12 mod on the ultra B?
What do you mean by that?Quote:
Originally posted by Drisler
11 is usually better. It's an anamoly on the nForce2 chipset.
What infinity (not lanparty) should i look for?
Is there a rev B of the infinities, or only the A?
If both exist, please tell me which one to get then :)
PS. Where would be best place to get them in europe?
I know some of these questions have already been asked in here, but after like 30mins searching i got tired of it :s
After all, it takes you guys like 2 mins time to help me out here and i would really appreciate it... :)
Thx ;)
Theres only one version of the Infinity so you can't go wrong, where in europe are you ?
TDF.
Quote:
Originally posted by SoundWave
What do you mean by that?
Quote:
http://www.amdmb.com/article-display...D=279&PageID=4
The Anomaly: nVIDIA’s nForce2 and tRAS
An anomaly can be described as something that’s difficult to classify; a deviation from the norm or common form. This is exactly the situation with tRAS (Active to Precharge) and nVIDIA’s nforce2 chipset. As said before, not sparing the effort is what has lead to the initial discovery of this anomaly many months ago. It’s pretty well known by now, in a nutshell, a higher tRAS (i.e. higher than, say, the Mushkin mandated sum of CAS+tRCD+2) on nforce2 motherboards consistently shows slightly better results in several benchmarks and programs. In most cases, 11 seems to be the magic number. Other chipsets do not display this “deviation from the norm”, so what makes the nforce2 different?
This most interesting thread in our forums has been on the topic for a while now, and TheOtherDude has given a possible explanation for this anomaly.
“Unlike most modern chipsets, the Nforce2 doesn't seem to make internal adjustments when you change the tRAS setting in the BIOS. These "internal" (not really sure if that’s the right word) settings seem to include Bank Interleave, Burst Rate and maybe even Auto-precharge. For optimal performance, tRAS (as measured in clock cycles) should equal the sum of burst length, plus the finite time it takes the RAM to conduct a number of clock independent operations involved with closing a bank (~40 ns) minus one clock if Auto-precharge is enabled (this factor can be slightly effected by CAS, but should not play a role in optimal tRAS). To complicate things even more, one bank cannot precharge a row while the other specifies a column. This brings tRCD into the mix.
Higher isn't always better, but the reason everything is so weird with tRAS and the Nforce2 is simply because the chipset doesn't make the internal optimizations to accommodate your inputted tRAS value like most other chipsets.”
Thanks :up:
ok guys, I couldn't resist and got one :D Sold my NF7-S and some 256MB Twinmos. Got some BH-5 and an Infinity back. Heres what happened:
http://www.fewture.cistron.nl/265MHzsandra.JPG
Vcore: 2.00V (1.95 real)
Vdimm: 3.65V
Vdd: 1.9V
Bios: 1-31 beta
MP x FSB: 9,5 x 265.8MHz
Timings: 11-2-2-2-2
CPU int: Agressive
I'm stuck now.. I think Vdd, but no mod :D Nice board! :banana:
In 3D I went up to 255 and havent tried higher yet:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7536617
Nice :toast:
Try out a few of the other BIOSes.
Will do that. So far I ran 11-27 and 1-31. I think both do about the same here, but can't say for sure. I only have the the board 2 days now.Quote:
Originally posted by Drisler
Nice :toast:
Try out a few of the other BIOSes.
Right now I'm having problems priming with BH-5. When I just switch the ram with my CH-5 it does prime no problem. Putt BH-5 back and fails at test 1 :( I disabled command per clock now and it seems to work. Wasn't that only for doublesided? I'm using Twinmos BH-5..that's singlesided right? Could use some help here..little confused.
In sandra I cant go any higher now. First I lose my mouse and then it reboots. I will have to test on 1.8V Vdd to see what happens and figure out what is holding me back now.
So far the board is nice, but the CPU clocks suck big time. Vcore fluctuating like mad and lost about 50Mhz vs my NF7-S (on same Vcore). To let my CPU fly I need volts :D More than 2.2V and that's not gonna happen on this board..
But 260MHz pifast is insane imo :toast: Very nice.
Here are my screens:
http://mitglied.lycos.de/carrerateam/cpuz.jpg
belgium :)Quote:
Originally posted by TheDogFather
Theres only one version of the Infinity so you can't go wrong, where in europe are you ?
TDF.
good board. working with it when i get free time
Does the L12 mode ( to default XP processor to 166 FSB) work on this mobo...?????????????????????
Errr there's no need to do this.
Nice sig pic, mata :D
Where did you get this "smoking" pic???
now reached 253 1:1 with my mate's BH-5
3d only up to 237 tho :(
higher stable fsb with 133 processors. my 1800+ has trouble getting past 190 when it really shouldnt. but does anyone know if it would work?Quote:
Originally posted by sai
Errr there's no need to do this.
Both a 1700+ DLT and a barton-core Mobile 2400+ do 250+ FSB (10 mult) without issue on my Infinity. Others are doing better than that.
So, is the L12 mod necessary on these boards? I think not :)
You have NF7 ? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by Elmo
higher stable fsb with 133 processors. my 1800+ has trouble getting past 190 when it really shouldnt. but does anyone know if it would work?
Got a 3D Mark run at those settings SAI?
can someone tell me what pins do i need to check on the mosfets to read my voltage readings from a DMM
i think my LPB has voltage issues
the L12 mod does nothing for bartons.. but.. maybe thats why i cant hold 260fsb?
its worth a shot. what must i do to mod it on a mobile barton?
Tooo expensive :'(
260MHz 11-2-2-2-2-9-12-ena-ena-fast-ena
Vdimm 3.55V
Twinmos BH-5 DC
Barton 2500+ on H2O
FX5700U @ stock
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7539080
Hey Fewture :)Quote:
Originally posted by Fewture
260MHz 11-2-2-2-2-9-12-ena-ena-fast-ena
Vdimm 3.55V
Twinmos BH-5 DC
Barton 2500+ on H2O
FX5700U @ stock
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7539080
Good job. :thumbsup: Funny, the 4MHz FSB thingy, eh??? ;)
But try to push the graphics card... the system will get more voltage dips (getting unstable) because of the v-regulation and I think it's harder to complete a bench ;)
Or did you even fight for this bench to complete? Restarting it again and again after being dropped back to desktop one more time... :rolleyes:
My bench was done directly after a restart and completed perfectly :) And me thumb idiot thought I could get it stable :rolleyes:
Just wondering, how does this board compare to the abit nf7?
i got a much faster boot time, the bios is a bit more detailed, and its got some sick looking UV reactive stuff.Quote:
Originally posted by kommando
Just wondering, how does this board compare to the abit nf7?
but there arent a lot of heatsinks that fit the board :(
NF7-S v2 sitting next to me... but im having vCore problems with it so i think im gonna rma itQuote:
Originally posted by sai
You have NF7 ? :rolleyes:
Hi All,
What's the final word on the WD Hard Drives??
Last I heard you could use them secondary and a possible wait for a new bios for primary.
Thx,
Mines in the Mail Baby!
bump
I do not know the issue. :(
But maybe you should open an own thread for this topic :)
~7000 in 03Quote:
Originally posted by ricjax99
Got a 3D Mark run at those settings SAI?
~18500 in 01SE
But my drivers really sucked. At the moment I'm formatting and installing all drivers new, so I'll soon post some new scores.
And my FX5900 is going to be modded soon. ;)
WD hdd's work in secondary or primary slave. as long as its not primary master its fine. i have 2 WD drives in mine, secondary master, and primary slave. works fine.
I have a very big bad wall at 262/263 :( Cant get past it.. Vdd modded the board..nothing.. 3.65V on the mem..nothing.. I think Vmem is too unstable.Quote:
Originally posted by SAE
Hey Fewture :)
Good job. :thumbsup: Funny, the 4MHz FSB thingy, eh??? ;)
But try to push the graphics card... the system will get more voltage dips (getting unstable) because of the v-regulation and I think it's harder to complete a bench ;)
Or did you even fight for this bench to complete? Restarting it again and again after being dropped back to desktop one more time... :rolleyes:
My bench was done directly after a restart and completed perfectly :) And me thumb idiot thought I could get it stable :rolleyes:
@Fewture
Maybe its your voltage dips, maybe it's your rams limit with this board... maybe the board or bios are limiting you :(
It's really bad there are too many possibilities what it could be :(
Did you already try a vdd of 2,2V? Or just less? Try to cool the tiny bga ram controller IC (nearby the point you did your vdimm mod at :) )... maybe it helps. I assume you have all mosfets cooled as well ;)
Another chance is to try one of the alpha bioses on amdmb forum (by OSKAR). Possible, you already did. :D
I was having boot issues with my Lanparty B and my XP2400 mobile . Using this BIOS :http://www.dfi-street.com/userbios.html
The 1-21 version cleared that issue up after I disabled AMD shutdown temp in the BIOS :)
Results with that BIOS for me are good :http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7592940
Thinking about doing the vcore mod to max this Mobile chip ;)
This is with a vapochill BTW .
Cheers
k... here's one for u DFI gurus... can't seem to spot anythin in the threads that are on the go about this so I'm stumped.
At high FSBs (well, not all THAT high... ANYTHING above 220FSB) the system randomly pauses for lengths of time. It looks like a lockup, and normally I'd just hit reset but I was off makin a coffee, came back and it had come back to life, then locked again, then came back... the entire system just pauses temporarily when running much above 220. Will do 250FSB, but higher the FSB, the longer and more frequent the pauses.
Using BH6 ram (Old Corsair XMS3200 512Mb sticks... 2 of)
DFI LanParty NFII UltraB
1-31 bios
11-2-2-2-2-9-12-en-en-fast (have tried lower timings, still same)
XP1700+ DLT3C JIUHB (does 2.9Ghz on NF7-S at 200FSB... won't get anywhere near on this DFI board... not enuff vcore)
Prommi MkII
Microcool Northpole on NB
3v - 3.2v to ram
2v to CPU
All rails peachy perfect other than a slight sag on 3.3 (3.26) from me Hiper520w PSU
All temps perfect...
CPU Diode: -47
Evap: -44
Under Socket: +10 (under neoprene n' goop)
Ambient: +30
+5: 4.98
+12: 11.89 (12.01 if I unplug USB HDDs)
+3.3: 3.25
Core: 1.99v
NB: 1.8v
AGP: 66Mhz / 1.6v
Any recommendations???
Could be caused by the onboard lan/usb/sound.
Is APIC on or off ?
It sounds like the sort of thing that effects me when I have APIC on .
Switch it off via device manager and all related problems go away .
Force install "Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) PC"
Instead of "ACPI Uniprocessor PC"
Then reboot . Driver rollback will switch it back arround if you are running WinXP . Win2K can be force installed back and forth .
Worth a shot :)
I'd tend to agree with turning off on-board features not needed - in particular the NIC.
I'm using a PCI NIC (wireless) and have never had any pausing or stuttering, up to 250 FSB. Above 250 my system's not stable enough for more than a SS or two so I can't say how it behaves over long periods of time.
APIC is ON on my rig. SATA, NIC, RAID are not enabled. USB enabled.
The onbord NIC causes me nothing but problems.Doesn't even work above 250FSB.Anytime it's enabled causes severe performance drop.I just use a PCI NIC like SJ.
Will give those a shot and let ya know... am beginning to suspect it may be the USB causing me probs as keyboard and mouse drop out (both USB) which would possibly appear as a lockup to me as nuthin would be doing anything. Am gonna try with PS2 hardware n' see if that helps as well as disabling excess resources n killing ACPI...
Anyone else noticed the wonderful temp sensors??? ie: the accurate CPU Diode that confirms that my MkII is actually giving me valid evap temps, except if CPU diode is colder than -50 the board refuses to boot as it flips back round to 255 and thinks it's cooking...
Have to set system to boot at -20 instead of -40 just to get the rig up in one go.... and makesure I don't reset CMOS as with CPU at stock (XP1700+) it won't fire up full stop.... FAR too cold for it to handle. Had to temporarily bridge mod the chip to 2v default n' 166 bus so that it'd fire up with enough heat to keep it above -50 (til I realised I could just raise prommi boot temp.... duh)
When I first built it I nearly returned the board as thought it was faulty til I caught onto what was going on... (anyone know of a modded bios with this problem removed??? would be MOST handy as I was gonna regas the prommi to 404 this week but now can't as if it gets any colder I'll NEVER get the :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: to start up!!)
In PC Health Status=Disable Show PC Health When Post
Still suffers from the problem with PCHealth enabled or disabled :( that was first thing i tried....
Marci - OSKAR_WU over at amdmb DFI forums might give a sympathetic ear to your prommie problem. He's a DFI employee, and knows his way around these BIOS' quite well. If anyone can fix the temp wrap-around problem, he can.
Hey Marci...
how do you read out the cpu diode :confused: ?
Nforce config tool?
Nope, run Config Wizard in MBM5 and select the right motherboard and it does it all for you.
wow. did not know that...
Thanks Marci :)
Check over at amdmb for a modded bios that turns off AMD shutdown temp . Bigtoe modded bios version 1-21 and 1-31 have been made to help boot problems .
I requested tictac make the same thing with the 2-15 bios and like a champ he did :)
I have yet to test it , but it should work as bigtoes 1-21 BIOS did when I turned off AMD shutdown temp :D
I have had the boot problem with my vapochill since I started using my mobile 2400+ CPU .
Cheers :D
OK . Tictacs bios works great :)
Still get the odd siren at boot now and then , but a quick on off and the system starts fine . No more holding insert etc..........
Cheers