Hey Ket, do any of the P5Q-E BIOS "officially" support our CellShock PC2-8000? Not that I'm having any issues, it's running great. Just wondered.
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Hey Ket, do any of the P5Q-E BIOS "officially" support our CellShock PC2-8000? Not that I'm having any issues, it's running great. Just wondered.
My five cents.......
Whit Intels 0803 i couldnt even look at memory tweaks/oc, But now whit your 1306 P5Q-E Mbios i can easily go nice mhz whit low volts (doh my a-datas are rated 1.8->1.9 :ROTF:)
I am pretty unhappy that you are goin to do better versions for only p5Qpro and dlx. But no chance to complain, after all i cant even belive that this all is only by one person cheers! :up:
The Cellshocks arent in the QVL, but Micron D9 ICs are, so its the same thing really :up: Oh and the new stuff I'm trying will be for other boards as well, its just the Pro and Dlx for now.
Ok, i have a P5Q-PRO so i'm on the list:welcome:
well done ketQuote:
Oh and the new stuff I'm trying will be for other boards as well, its just the Pro and Dlx for now.
still waiting for new version
have a nice day
I'll try to start work on the "uber" BIOS in the next few days, once I have something it will be posted. Naturally, with the BIOS that will be released proceed with EXTREME CAUTION! I do not know what may happen when ppl try it.
Thanks a lot for these :) Can't wait to flash my incoming P5Q Pro with them.
Easier way is to flash with afudos and extra switches :)
afuXXX /i<ROM filename> [/o<save ROM filename>] [/n] [/p[b][n][c]]
/n - don't check ROM ID
/pbnc -
b - Program Boot Block
n - Program NVRAM
c - Destroy System CMOS
Not sure about the system clock but all other settings are cleared with /pbnc ( or /pc ) and never needed to move jumper or remove battery after flash. Few times after too aggressive OC though :)
Have to check the clock thing next time when I flash. Never really paid attention to it so not sure. But never had posting issue with those extra switches so far
Seems unnecessarily complicated. Using EZ Flash tool built into the BIOS is easiest and safe.
People can argue all they want, after all the disecting of the P5Q series BIOS I'd hope I know the most effective way to clear its CMOS by now :rolleyes:
thank's ket you are the man :)
but plz don't forgot poore people wich have p5q non pro:)
can you arrange the more overclockin features in next p5q non pro bios like in p5q-e there is a lot of things for cpu overclocking :)
yes you are the really best asus need to get you on the job :)
so what you meen in uber bios what is it? i'm sure you'll do the best but what is it ? and will be it for p5q non pro?
thamk you
Is anyone experiencing issues with the P5Q Pro not POSTing when setting NB voltage to 1.7v+?
Yes, i've tryed once with a fan on Nb but it didn't post. And another issue
is that at 1.36 Nb i can raise the PLL voltage more than 1.6 because it didn't post either. May be i get a P5Q-PRO moore unstable at voltages :down:
And the Nb is also unstable at hich than 1.42 V, it freeze after 5-10minutes,
even with a fan on heatsink.
As a fact after i get that the NB heatsink and heatipe are pretty hot i've put a small fan (froom Fx5500) on Nb.:up:
A good question is this: Is the NB heatsink made from copper or from Al it seems to be to hot at not so high voltages ?:confused:
Hi, I have a P5Q Deluxe with a X6800 B2 Step. 6. My P5K-E runs at 500x7 with an e6750 24/7, but I am having trouble getting my P5Q posting at 500mhz. Can anyone post their settings for a stable 500mhz fsb?
Try these settings, i gained about 30fsb
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=307
Here are a couple of videos that show my issue that I have uploaded to Youtube so Asus can see the issue for them selves easily.
Video#1 = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27uHHbx1Jk0
Video#2 = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVDBZWfmz4o
Video#3 = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fR5HcbHZTY
Four will be up soon and it shows me going right back into Vista on the 0803.
Enjoy, :up:
http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=quadfsbxt2.jpg on P5Q-E
CPU: 1.43xx
vFSB: 1.34
vNB: 1.46 (why not ? :D)
vRAM: 1.92
vPLL: 1.56
truehighroller: no idea about the cause of your problem, but since it's clearly specific to your hardware maybe booting vista in safe mode will help identify the problem, by either showing that safe mode works or hanging on a device driver. I also noticed you use grub. how does linux react to the various BIOS versions?
This board fails so much... I have a hard time posting at 400mhz at any voltage. Im trading this to a friend for my good ol' P5K-E.
it seems that the board has no good compatibility with 65nmcpu. but with e8200 or 8400, situ turns to be good and stable, as all you can see through this forum
can someone tell where P5Q vcore measure point?
Ket can u Mod a P5E3 Deluxe Bios so it will have a different VCore but Auto as default setting ?
You can flash a P5E3 Deluxe with a P5E3 Premium.
They only catch is that the CPU got to work with 1,00 VCore @ default clock rate.
So it would be VERY helpful to have a P5E3 Premium modded to lets say 1,35 VCore as default and not Auto/VID Setting.
regards ironage
Not true. My E4400 is 65nm, and while support isn't the greatest on the P45, my E4400 is still putting out 3.4GHz, and max FSB around 425. Same as my old AW9D-Max, so like I said, not the greatest, but still good.
voltage read points
So you want a BIOS where the vcore defaults to 1.35v instead of auto?
New post so my other one doesn't get into some kind of essay length. I recently modified some very early P5Q series BIOSes, specifically, the ones without that FSB Enhancement option, whatever the hell its supposed to do, it doesn't seem to do it just cause porblems. Anyway after modding 703 for the P5Q Pro pow just like that my system is seemingly stable as a rock with 1200+ memory frequencies. I put trfc to 42 and a perf level of 8, all good so far :toast: once my system has finished running OCCT v2a I will upload these early rev. modded BIOS files. For me the difference is staggering. I think we should all jump on the back of the Asus bandwagon and keep harassing them until they remove that FSB enhancement option. Asus haven't even added that FSB enhancement option to the Maximus 2 Formula even in the M2Fs latest BIOS rev. (1307) so why the hell put that POS FSB enhancement option on the P5Q series? Surely Asus have got the message by now its problematic for everyone.
Yeah. I want a P5E3 Premium Bios where the Default VCore ist set to 1,35.
So i can do a cross flash of a P5E3 Deluxe to a P5E3 Premium and start it without having a first class OC CPU. (Which runs default clock rate at 0,99 VCore to be exact)
Think their would be a bunch of guys happy having it - including me.
The most recent P5E3 Premium Bios canbe found here:
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/...emium-0505.zip
If you could take a look that would be great. :up:
Edit: Maybe it would be good idea to even chose 1,45 VCore at default since the cross flash seems to change the VCore range.
I was probably mistaken but it looked like you were selecting Windows from the boot loader known as grub, most frequently seen for booting linux systems or multibooting > 1 OS. I thought I caught a glimpse of it and assumed you had a Linux distro installed.
So, Ket , sorry if i'm a little rush :(, but when you post the new mbios for P5Q-PRO, i'm also a little dissapointed with my MB performances, mainly because it's not reached it's full potential(P45 potential) but i know that you can fix this with a good bios.:up: . I don't know if you work somwhere, but i know the right job that will catch you : Bios progamator :yepp:. I mean it, even in this forum i don't saw another man who can "work" bioses than you:up:
Ket:
Could you please give me a little help with some initial overclock settings for an ASUS P5Q Pro (your 1306 mBios) and a E8400 cpu.
i need a base to start at.
Thanks for any help, AlAll
if I remember well the delta Vcore is about 0.4 (stummerwinter measured 0.375 less) so make your calculation for the CPU you have.
I had to start the mobo with a 6550 (which was capable of boot with very low voltage) and then set a higher voltage and then switch to a 8600 cpu.
After all this mess, I decided to mod it
xdan: I can only work on the BIOS when I have free time.
I will uploading some modded early rev. BIOSes for people to try. Incredibly my modded 703 gives me by far the best results. My system is stable with memory frequencies beyond 1233MHz. Whereas with any other BIOS, that damn FSB enhancement option cripples everything.
Truehighroller; Not yet :p: Working on BIOS code isn't the only thing I'm doing, I'm also working on a megamod for STALKER :yepp: If anyone is curious you can get info, screenshots, videos etc from HERE :up:
alall: I'll post the settings I use when I've finished tweaking them.
That's really interesting, I wonder why Asus would do that? Can't wait to try this out on the Deluxe, my Redline 2GB modules hates to clock past 1030 or so.
I had almost the exact same memory frequency limit - I was stuck at 1040MHz or so. The system would POST with much higher frequencies, but not be stable in Windoze.
P5Q Series mBIOS pack download
People are asking this question a lot in various threads so hopefully making a new post will help people see it easier. The purpose in CPU Margin Enhancement is to help provide better FSB clocking with cheaper C2Ds.. that is, according to intel. In practicality this option only seems to play absolute havock with peoples systems. If you are experiencing odd system instability, not able to get FSB clocks as high as you could, or having strangely low DRAM frequency barriers I strongly advise you try one of these P5Q Series mBIOSes. The pack contains modded BIOS files for all P5Q series boards using code before asus added CPU Margin Enhancement.
I understand where you're coming from, stupid decision to add that, even more stupid not to remove it... but would ppl be missing out on something useful when going that back with such "old" BIOSes? I ask, cause if someone knows what exactly they added, improved, etc in their later releases, it would be you. :)
I'm aslo guessing that the CPU Margin Enhancement isn't something you can just turno off huh lol.
All the BIOS releases asus have done mostly just work on memory compatibility and CPU support.. but as the BIOSes in that mBIOS pack all use the memory table from the P5Q Premium 1401 BIOS and my custom P6 CPU table that adds even more CPU support - your not going to be missing much if anything :up:
*dowloads 704m and takes out USB drive*
You mean 704? Let us know how you get on.
Figured what the heck, I've tried almost everything else. :)
Guys Asus sell different levels of motherboard at different prices. They will limit the OC on lower levels to push enthusiasts to buy the better boards, simple strategic play and i bet all the motherboard manufacturers do it. what pisses me off is the lower boards can be real bad with ram but end users never see that.
Keep in mind they make very low margins on the lower spec boards...they do NOT want enthusiasts buying them really...they want you buying ROG boards etc
Since I have now seen that I can turn my vfsb up higher I might give your 0704 a run and try to crank my shiznit up some more for benchies if you think it might be better then the 0803 you modded for me.
even with last modded 0703 for P5Q non pro bios
I cant get ram to run lower than 800
even without CPU Margin Enhancement
So far so good. 704m Runs and benches fine on my Deluxe board. I'm going to see how high I can push my Q6600 on the FSB.
Why do you think I busted out my BIOS modding tools? :p: I was all too well aware of Asus pulling crap like this, and tbh when I bought the P5Q Pro it was around £100 before postage, so not exactly cheap for a mobo. Asus especially have very poor comprehension of that lower-mid highend boards will net them the most money. I have only ever ONCE bought an uber board - Asus Crosshair, BUT, it just looked fancy. Didn't exactly have anything I hadn't seen on other, CHEAPER boards. Now with my skills applied to BIOS 703\4\7 (depending what mobo you own) the board I have at least has never clocked better. 1206MHz memory frequency rock stable, before nomatter what I modded any BIOS that had that pesky CPU Margin Enhancement I couldn't crack 1066 stable even though I could boot much higher frequencies (1200+)
The 0704 was a little slower for me so , I figured ok maybe more speed then but, nope. I couldn't boot into 495 x 8 but, I could 490. I went back to 0803 I get 5ns better lats with it. Thank you though Ket :up: .
Its just as I said somewhere in this thread, everything is subjective, what works for one may not work for another ;) I may find myself flashing up to 1307m again once I get a wolfie, but in the meantime I'll keep my 1200MHz+ mem frequency :D
703m on my P5Q-PRO resulted no POST with OCZ2N1066SR1G. ASUS crappy memory support..
I'll look at 901 beta for the Pro, if theres no CPU M-E, I'll mod that one up for people to try. Which mem slots did you put those SR1G sticks in?
Ket, Just wondering if you, or you no of someone, who can supply a modded BIOS for the Asus P5K Premium that would improve the memory frequency steps? Thanks...
So which BIOS is currently the best for a P5Q Pro and a E7200?
Try 1307m, if that doesn't quite work out try 703m.
you think that 703 is better than 1307 on my comp result of 1307 is more than 703:) this is old 0703 right? there still is problem with core temp on Q6600 i think that 1307 is better on my com:)
buy the way wen you are planing do the uber bios? you told that you are starting working on it :) so what this uber bios meens? what is uber bios? i'm sure that it will be realy good but can you tell me please what is uber bios and when you planing finish it? :)
thank you
you are the best :0
Hey Ket I made this tinyurl to point people to this thread who ask about my BIOS. Maybe ya'd like to use it as well.
http://tinyurl.com/moddedp5q
Mmm... BIOS 704Mm is causing some odd issues were the BIOS does not retain settings... I'll look into it a tad further.
Additionally, no matter what OCed settings I use, it won't boot. Back to 1306 I guess.
Any idea why the P5Q will NOT overclock with half dividers? I have the P5Q Deluxe and an E7200 - runs at 400x9 fine and even runs at 445x9 fine, but 9.5x400 is a no go - it posts but windows just instantly bluescreens. Put the divider to an integer value and all is well...
Edit: I'm using the 1306 Factory BIOS, currently.
So just to be clear 1403 does or does not have the Premium memory table, the one which "pisses all over the M2F", I've been running your 1402 and like it for it's stability and mainly because I can finally use NVFlash. I take it 1403 also sees NTFS partitions? Oh and by "your kind of memory" I gather you are rferring to Cell Shock's or D9 modules. Lil ol me is just running some budget Gskill DDR2 1000 2x2GB, in your opinion would I be better served by the M2F or the P5Q Premium table? in other words 1402 or 1403 I'm itching to upgrade the bios why I don't know, it's a disease I guess. Whats really funny is that it's 99.9% certain that by the time I get a reply I will have updated to 1403. lol
Thats very strange. By the looks f your setup your system may be one of the ones that prefer a BIOS with CPU M-E.
Theres a known issue with half multis with the P5Q series, Asus are aware of it, if they fix it or not is another matter.
I'll release it when I get chance to finish it, at this time there is no ETA.
If 1402 is working good for you and all is well, no real point it messing and "disturbing" your system ;)
Its confirmed to the point Asus are aware of something odd going on :p:
my 7.5 multi works fine, but there is no 6.5 multi for me :shrug:
(e8200/p5q)
Just flashed to Ket's modded 704 BIOS for the P5Q-Deluxe...very nice. My Redline 2GB sticks are currently Priming at 528MHz (DDR2-1056) at 2.1v. They needed at least 2.2v to get up there with any degree of stability. I like! :D
I really appreciate the work you're doing on these BIOSes. If you have a PayPal email address I'd be happy to toss you a small donation for your effort.
Sage advice, but as predicted by the time I read it I had already flashed, and I'm doing well, whether it's the bios or that I just hit on some better settings but I've eeked another volt less 1.21 in Bios 1.2 actual and PL7 pull outs enabled vs 8 on 1402 Intelburntest stable. I actually booted into windows with my ram @ 1066 but my linpacks were off(didn't crash however) So I likee. Nothing earth shattering but a nice reasonable 20% and I get to keep my fans real quiet. I did test stable 500 FSBx6 earlier so I could get a whole lot more out of this I'm sure but... I'm happy for now. Thanks Ket
Ket, or someone else more knowledgeable than I,( prob 75% of the folks here :D ).
Question as to Skews and Phase Pull-Ins. Do, for instance the Phase pullins relate to a cpu core? As in, PhaseA PH1, would this relate to say Core0? Same question as to Skews. I am talking about the P5Q-D here. Probably a bit confusing as to my question, but hopefully I put it out there correctly.
Larry
65nm chips don't support the .5 multipliers.
:) That much I knew. Let me expand a bit, my Weak core is Core1 in Prime95,so I am wondering if I disabled PH1 on both banks and or Messed with the Skews if this would help at all with that. GTL's are the best they will ever get, as well as VTT and NB voltage and the NB GTL.
Thanks for the reply Dee :)
Larry
Ah, sorry. I'm not sure anyway, you probably know a whole lot more than I do already.
Well, thanks for the BIOSes Ket, they work well. They didn't fix my weird FSB limit tho... I guess I just got an overclocking dud :(
My luck... I've tried everything, but can't get it stable past 430MHz FSB :shakes:
It's funny I thought the pull ins did the exact opposite. lol
I wish there were a definitive Bios Guide, so I could research all of the settings. How are you supposed to figure this stuff out?
I'm curious about other settings as well, I mean even stuff like PNP OS, memory hole, PEG/PCI, force bios ect. I get what PNP OS Does but am not sure if enabled is the way to go, the others I'm pretty well clueless. and thats not to mention the skews and such in the AI Tweaker portion. The manual doesn't really get into the nuts and bolts. Those seem obvious on the surface but I wish I could research more with out having to page through forum threads. Someone in the know should do a definitive Republic of Gamers Bios guide. That would cover most things in our bios and then some.
Wrong. Its a competitive market even at that price level. Only the ROG series are really differentiated from the competition. That's why they can charge a premium.
Its not just a motherboard. Its the ROG, so pay up. :D
Common marketing strategy. If ASUS didn't do this, they would not be around to make you that P5Q-Pro you enjoy. They would be crushed by the competition long ago.
But thank you for your work Ket. Its awesome to get more performance than I ever expected when I bought this board.
Your m1402 BIOS is great. :clap:
I'll release it when I get chance to finish it, at this time there is no ETA.
thank's ket you are the men:)
but pls tell me what is the urban bios? what the features you think to install there?
A premium is one thing, but bloody £250 or so for a board thats effectively the same as a board costing £110 less just with a crapload of heatsinks? Thats bad Asus, very very bad Asus. Its not like the folk at Asus are that competent and chances are if your ever unfortunate enough to have to RMA to Asus what you send for RMA they will either A: lose, B: You will be waiting forever for it to come back, C: You will get the same damn thing back, D: You will get an RMA replacement back thats in worse condition than what you sent, E: A combination of all of the above.
Horrendous things like that is exactly why Asus can't charge a premium as you get utter crap back that just barely works if you have to RMA.
Ket for the Q9450 users is there a way to disable or completely remove the CPU enhancement line ?
Thank you Leo,
I have a BIOS guide I drew up, its nothing spectacular yet though.
I could remove it from the BIOS, but I don't think it would be as simple as getting rid of the entry for it, that thing probably runs through the BIOS like a black shadow of doom.
I'll be interested in seeing your BIOS guide if you ever post it.
I take it that you only have a knowledge of the P5Q BIOS and do not modify any other BIOS's, such as the P5K?
I'll post it up when its a little more complete. Also, yet another mBIOS! :scope: This one is for the P5Q Pro, 901. The last version there was not to have the CPU M-E option. Theres been all the usual tweaks plus I have renamed some stuff to make things a bit clearer. I have also optimised some boot settings which should help speed boot times up. Also, take a look at the attached screenshot. People are complaining of "poor" CF performance on P45 boards, I think those NB options may have something to do with it. No, those options are not visible in BIOS before anyone asks :p:
P5Q Pro 901m
So the P5Q Pro 901m BIOS doesn't have the CPU Margin Enhancement while the 1307m does? Is the E7200 considered "low enough" that you think it would benefit from it?
I don't think any CPU can really benefit from CPU M-E. I would generally advise people first try a BIOS without CPU-M-E, and if things don't go so hot then try the latest mBIOS.
Support is a separate department, and ASUS doesn't seem to have it all together.
Its priced higher the same reason a BMW or a Mercedes is priced higher. Because they can. Its marketed as an exclusive, premium product for hardcore gamers. The price helps to sell it. If its more expensive, it MUST be good!
I'm talking about the marketing strategy. Why they price the product at that level. Not what its actually worth.
More along the lines of I'm ONE (1) person. Not many, nor am I an octopus :p: Theres only so much I can do at any one time and as I have said before, unless there are expectional circumstances (such as truehighrollers) I am NOT going to be modding all kinds of BIOS files simply because I A: Don't have the time, and B: Its not like any company is paying me to do this. I started it simply because I was pissed off at the :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty condition Asus let the P5Q Series out the door in.
what about insert some options from Maximus-II-ASUS-Formula- to the last version there was not to have the CPU M-E option.
this project still keep on or what
CPU and NB clock skews affect the cpu and northbridge respectively. When you increase the FSB, especially above 400, the clock begins to drift, and the clock skew setting allows you to pull it back a little. This can aid stability. With wolfdales, anywhere from 100 - 500ps delay can help, usually 300 - 500 get the best results. I'm not sure about quads, I've never owned one. With the NB clock skew, it can be used in conjunction with the cpu clock skew, but it requires less adjustment, usually 100 - 300ps works well.
The 'Pull-ins' relate to memory channel phases. Enabling the phase pull-ins theoretically reduces the latency and increases the performance a little, kind of like reducing the PL but not as strong an effect. However, I have actually found that on my P5Q-Deluxe and Maximus II Formula the pullins do absolutely nothing.