Whoa! You are killing your cpu mate. Limit your overclock, or you will limit your cpu usage permanently.Quote:
Originally Posted by joebloggs
Whoa! You are killing your cpu mate. Limit your overclock, or you will limit your cpu usage permanently.Quote:
Originally Posted by joebloggs
Don't worry i only ran it there for 1 minute, it saved me from resetting it as it restarted itself. I'm happy with 3.2ghz. Just need to get my RAM up to 1600mhz now. Any ideas?
Page 20 last post. the rest I dont mention in timings page, set to auto
ozgunkara sorry mate, missed it. Try these settings:
Required System Specifications
PSU ( Power Supply Unit ) = Hiper 780watt
CPU = intel Q6700
RAM = 2x 2gb OCZ Platinum 1333mhz
HDD = 2x Samsung hd250hj 250gb
VGA1 = Zotac GTX 285
VGA2 ( if you have ) = none
VGA3 ( if you have ) = none
SPU ( Sound Card ) = none
NorthBridge Cooling = stock, water
SouthBridge Cooling = stock
CPU Cooling = koolance cpu-340 water
RAM Cooling = koolance ram-35 water
nFORCE Chipset Drivers Version = 15.23
ForceWare/GeForce Drivers Version = 181.22
Sound Card Drivers Version = none
BIOS version 1202 REQUIRED 1202
BIOS Settings
Extreme Tweaker
CPU Level Up = Auto
Memory Level Up = Auto
AI Overclock Tuner = Manual
CPU Multiplier = 10.0 This results in 3.33GHz, 9x results in 2.99GHz and 8x to 2.66GHz.
If you are going for 8x which is at stock frequency, check your VID votlage in coretemp and whatever is there set in CPU Voltage
FSB - Memory Clock Mode = Linked
FSB - Memory Ratio = Sync Mode
FSB (QDR) MHz = 1333
MEM (DDR) MHz = 1333
LDT Frequency = 5x
PCIE Bus Slot 1 & 2 MHz = 100
PCIE Bus Slot 3 MHz = 100
SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, MHz = 200
SLI-Ready Memory = Disabled
Memory Timing Setting
P1 = Auto but once you are stable prime95 blend for 4 hours, try enabling this and blend test for another 8 hours
P2 = Auto but once you are stable prime95 blend for 4 hours, try enabling this and blend test for another 8 hours
tCL ( CAS Latency ) = 7
tRCD = 7
tRP = 7
tRAS = 20
Command Per Clock (CMD) = 2T
tRRD = auto 4
tRC = 40
tWR = auto 12
tWTR = auto 16
tFAW = auto 17
tRD = auto 9
tRTP = auto 5
tRFC = 80
tREF = auto 7.8uS
Over Voltage
CPU Voltage = Find the voltage you are stable, if you are going for 3.3Ghz you could start at 1.4v actual (in voltage monitor)
Loadline Calibration = disabled
CPU PLL Voltage = 1.54 for 10x multiplier, 1.52 for 9x and 1.5 for 8x
CPU VTT Voltage = 1.4 for 10x, 1.38 for 9x and 1.36 for 8x
Memory Voltage = 1.8 it could average at 1.82, once you are stable you can drop it at 1.78 but check with prime95 blend plus memtest for windows for at least 4 hours
NB Core Voltage = 1.46 for 10x, 1.42 for 9x and it might do 1.38 for 8x
SB Core Voltage = 1.5
CPU GTL REF0 Ratio = auto
CPU GTL REF1 Ratio = auto
CPU GTL REF2 Ratio = auto
CPU GTL REF3 Ratio = auto
NB GTL REF Ratio = auto
DDR3 CHA1 Ref Volt = auto
DDR3 CHB1 Ref Volt = auto
DDR3 CHA2 Ref Volt = auto
DDR3 CHB2 Ref Volt = auto
CPU Configuration
CPU Internal Thermal Control = auto
Limit CPUID MaxVal = Disabled
Enhanced C1 (C1E) = Disabled
Execute Disable Bit = Enabled
Virtualization Technology = Enabled
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep(tm) Tech. = Enabled for 8x, disabled for 9x or 10x
CPU Core 2 = Enabled
CPU Core 3 = Enabled
CPU Core 4 = Enabled
Spread Spectrum Control
CPU Spread Spectrum = Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
MCP PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum = Disabled
LDT Spread Spectrum = Disabled
Keep spectrum's disabled for now and once you are stable enable the ones you can and test some more.
I forgot to tell you that PC Probe conflicts with CPU-Z. Notice that you will not get so many misreadings if you dont launch CPU-Z for a testing session.Quote:
Originally Posted by joebloggs
Thanks for the info on that mate, I don't opn cpu-z and other monitoring software at the same time. I found that Electromigration was causing it. i.e. when vcore is set above 1.5v it causes PC Probe II to behave wierdly. Since I can't run 3.6 with safe voltages, I'm staying at 3.2ghz. Testing out these ram settings now.
By the way, has anyone else had this issue I had of after a failed overclock, the mobo would "ignore" your OS boot hard drive?
hallo
thank you for your help. I tried to use the settings you recommended using the 9x settings but i couldn't get past the windows sign it always freezes before i see the desktop. i tried vcore between 1.3 and 1.45. what should i do?
Use the most stable settings, as in 8x settings, P1 & P2 auto. It usually crashes if the CPU is unstable, freezing means its either ram or mainboard. Have you ever checked your ram with memtest?
Make sure you got the right settings, start with 1.46 NB for now.
cibic i think its best if i set the volts back to the older setting which did run blend and gpu stable and from there on try and fix the mem problem
hello
i tried with the 8x settings too, but i can never boot properly. when i set all the settings to auto it works properly but freezes randomly. when i use the settings you written i can't boot properly. i tried memtest86 using a cd. it starts but reboots the pc after 30seconds. do i have a memory problem?
You can't achieve stability by going lower. The thing is you shouldn't run prime95 blend and gpu caps viewer together until your cpu, ram, mainboard is stable first or it degrades the torture of memory and cpu. if u get failing cores again, do this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Devour
Increase vCore so on load it drops to 1.225, you can use LoadLine Calibration if you wish (so your voltage won't go over 1.23) and reduce VTT to 1.22.
At this point if you still get failing cores then there's something else that's unstable. Test memory with either memtest86+ for dos or windows (preferred), let it run for 6-8 loops or 200%.
By the way, you could be very close to stable once you eliminate failing core issue.
Sounds like it gets less voltage somewhere. Probably vCore.Quote:
Originally Posted by ozgunkara
For starts you can let me know what msg do you see on LCD poster, or where it usually restarts/freezes.
Print or write down the voltages I gave you, then set everything on auto and compare values in voltage monitor and let me know if there's something lower.
Note to all people using prime95 blend and gpu caps viewer to find NB voltage: If you found the appropriate voltage and you have P1 & P2 to Enabled then set vNB a notch higher for utmost stability.
BIOS Settings
Extreme Tweaker
CPU Level Up = Auto
Memory Level Up = Auto
AI Overclock Tuner = Manual
CPU Multiplier = 10.0 This results in 3.33GHz, 9x results in 2.99GHz and 8x to 2.66GHz.
If you are going for 8x which is at stock frequency, check your VID votlage in coretemp and whatever is there set in CPU Voltage
FSB - Memory Clock Mode = Linked
FSB - Memory Ratio = Sync Mode
FSB (QDR) MHz = 1333
MEM (DDR) MHz = 1333
LDT Frequency = 5x
PCIE Bus Slot 1 & 2 MHz = 100
PCIE Bus Slot 3 MHz = 100
SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, MHz = 200
SLI-Ready Memory = Disabled
Memory Timing Setting
P1 = Auto but once you are stable prime95 blend for 4 hours, try enabling this and blend test for another 8 hours
P2 = Auto but once you are stable prime95 blend for 4 hours, try enabling this and blend test for another 8 hours
tCL ( CAS Latency ) = 7
tRCD = 7
tRP = 7
tRAS = 20
Command Per Clock (CMD) = 2T
tRRD = auto 4
tRC = 40
tWR = auto 12
tWTR = auto 16
tFAW = auto 17
tRD = auto 9
tRTP = auto 5
tRFC = 80
tREF = auto 7.8uS
Over Voltage
CPU Voltage = I set 1.3 but read 1.32 in voltage monitor
Loadline Calibration = disabled
CPU PLL Voltage = 1.5 for 8x I set 1.5 but read 1.52 in voltage monitor
CPU VTT Voltage = 1.36 for 8x I set 1.36 but read 1.39 in voltage monitor
Memory Voltage = I set 1.8 but read 1.87 in voltage monitor
NB Core Voltage = 1.38 for 8x I set 1.38 but read 1.42 in voltage monitor
SB Core Voltage = 1.5 I set 1.5 but read 1.48 in voltage monitor
CPU GTL REF0 Ratio = auto
CPU GTL REF1 Ratio = auto
CPU GTL REF2 Ratio = auto
CPU GTL REF3 Ratio = auto
NB GTL REF Ratio = auto
DDR3 CHA1 Ref Volt = auto
DDR3 CHB1 Ref Volt = auto
DDR3 CHA2 Ref Volt = auto
DDR3 CHB2 Ref Volt = auto
CPU Configuration
CPU Internal Thermal Control = auto
Limit CPUID MaxVal = Disabled
Enhanced C1 (C1E) = Disabled
Execute Disable Bit = Enabled
Virtualization Technology = Enabled
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep(tm) Tech. = Enabled for 8x, disabled for 9x or 10x
CPU Core 2 = Enabled
CPU Core 3 = Enabled
CPU Core 4 = Enabled
Spread Spectrum Control
CPU Spread Spectrum = Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
MCP PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum = Disabled
LDT Spread Spectrum = Disabled
hi
I set the settings you written for 8x and checked the voltages on voltage monitor in the bios and saw these differences and noted them for you. you asked where it froze. It freezes the moment you see the windows vista sign before you see the desktop. So i can't see the desktop.
Over Voltage
CPU Voltage = 1.31
Loadline Calibration = disabled
CPU PLL Voltage = 1.52
CPU VTT Voltage = 1.23
Memory Voltage = i set 1.74 to read 1.8
NB Core Voltage = 1.34
SB Core Voltage = 1.48
CPU GTL REF0 Ratio = auto
CPU GTL REF1 Ratio = auto
CPU GTL REF2 Ratio = auto
CPU GTL REF3 Ratio = auto
NB GTL REF Ratio = auto
DDR3 CHA1 Ref Volt = auto
DDR3 CHB1 Ref Volt = auto
DDR3 CHA2 Ref Volt = auto
DDR3 CHB2 Ref Volt = auto
hi
these are the settings for 10x stock settings using all auto voltages. i only set memory manually in order to get 1.8 stable. other settings are set auto and i read them again in voltage monitor in bios.
i forgot to tell there is no error messege on LCD poster.
That's odd. Try my settings again with 1.76 Memory voltage and 1.44 NB, PLL 1.52, VTT 1.28 with Enhanced Intel SpeedStep(tm) Tech. = Disabled this time.
Also check if memory timings are correct.
hello
i did what you said. Memory timings are just like what you said. I used the settings you told me and tried vcore between 1.3-1.4 but it was never stable enough to see the desktop. it froze just before you see the desktop.
It could be something overheating - explains why voltage increment leads to freezing. Check your temps (from temperature monitor in bios) asap after a freezing. While watching NB, SB temps (should be under 60 Celsius) touch with the back of your hand skin your ram sticks and try to keep it there for 8-10 seconds.
You can try every voltage on auto, since it boots, but with 1.76 or 1.78 vDimm and test memory for 10-12 loops (memtest86+) or 200% (memtest for windows, prefered).
Yes I have with an unstable OC. Nvidia Sata Controller is prone to data corruption with improper setting. Normally resetting to stable clocks in bios will resolve the issue but I have completely hosed the windows installation when overclocking and testing in windows. An alternative to avoid data corruption is to test not in windows. Try UBCD v5.0b12 iso boot to it and run Prime95 and memtest from it. Once stable then boot to windows and test again beware slight voltage increases may be needed for windows depending on how you tweaked your voltages. If you are an "Auto" man get away from it and hard set things in bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by joebloggs
If you really want help with this post up your bios settings using one of the templates below and your system specs.
hi cibic
i tried memtest86+ few times but it always froze during the 50% of the first loop. i checked the temperatures and they were below 60. (i watercool the northbridge,cpu and RAM) i could not check the RAM temperature because of the water block. it is a Koolance block so i don't think the Ram are overheating. If you think i have a problem with the RAM i am thinking of buying OCZ3N1800SR4GK . they are 150$ in Amazon and they are SLI Ready. do you think they would work stable on this board?
You have some bad settings somewhere change the setting below and put your setting in:
PSU ( Power Supply Unit ) = Corsair HX1000 ( 1000W )
CPU = Intel QX9650
RAM = OCZ DDR3-1600 Platinum Edition 4GB Kit ( OCZ3P20004GK )
HDD = Western Digital Raptor ( 300GB x2 Raid 0)
VGA1 = PNY GeForce 280GTX 1GB
VGA2 = none
VGA3 = none
SPU ( Sound Card ) = AuzenTech Auzen X-Fi Prelude
NorthBridge Cooling = Bitpower water block
SouthBridge Cooling = Bitpower water block
CPU Cooling = custom water cooled with Swiftech water block
RAM Cooling = OCZ Memory Cooler
nFORCE Chipset Drivers Version = nVIDIA nFORCE Drivers v15.23
ForceWare/GeForce Drivers Version = nVIDIA ForceWare v177.83
Sound Card Drivers Version = X-Fi Prelude RC7
BIOS version 0901
BIOS Settings
Extreme Tweaker
CPU Level Up = Auto
Memory Level Up = Auto
AI Overclock Tuner = Manual
CPU Multiplier = 9.0
FSB - Memory Clock Mode = Linked
FSB - Memory Ratio = Synch
FSB (QDR) MHz = 1800
MEM (DDR) MHz = 1800
LDT Frequency = 5x
PCIE Bus Slot 1 & 2 MHz = 125
PCIE Bus Slot 3 MHz = 100
SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, MHz = 200
SLI-Ready Memory = Disabled
Memory Timing Setting
P1 = Enabled
P2 = Enabled
tCL ( CAS Latency ) = 7
tRCD = 7
tRP = 7
tRAS = 18
Command Per Clock (CMD) = 2T
tRRD = 1
tRC = 28(25)
tWR = 10
tWTR = auto 27
tFAW = auto 29
tRD = auto 9
tRTP = auto 7
tRFC = 72)
tREF = 7.8us
Over Voltage
CPU Voltage = 1.36250V (actual 1.41)
Loadline Calibration = Enabled
CPU PLL Voltage = 1.60V
CPU VTT voltage =1.4V
Memory Voltage = 1.86V (actual 1.9)
NB Core Voltage = 1.54 SB Core Voltage = 1.55V
CPU GTL REF0 Ratio = -36mv
CPU GTL REF1 Ratio = -40mv
CPU GTL REF2 Ratio = -40mv
CPU GTL REF3 Ratio = -36mv
NB GTL REF Ratio = auto
DDR3 CHA1 Ref Volt = auto
DDR3 CHB1 Ref Volt = auto
DDR3 CHA2 Ref Volt = auto
DDR3 CHB2 Ref Volt = auto
CPU Configuration
CPU Internal Thermal Control = Enabled
Limit CPUID MaxVal = Disabled
Enhanced C1 (C1E) = Disabled
Execute Disable Bit = Enabled
Virtualization Technology = Disabled
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep(tm) Tech. = Disabled
CPU Core 2 = Enabled
CPU Core 3 = Enabled
CPU Core 4 = Enabled
Spread Spectrum Control
CPU Spread Spectrum = Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
MCP PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum = Disabled
LDT Spread Spectrum = Disabled
Problem Description
Stable
Not sure mate, freezing in memtest means they need more voltage. Try running them at 1.8v and see if that freezes. It could be that you CPU doesn't like 8x multi. To be certain try single stick and use white slots on motherboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by ozgunkara
owcraftsman are those your settings, or a suggestion to someone? Bit confusing I might say, I guess its running OCZ DDR3 2000? Anyhow, I have some improvements in mind if you want to hear them.
They are settings I've used but I'm more interested in what ozgunkara is using in order to assist.
Oh and suggest away TY
PSU ( Power Supply Unit ) = Corsair HX1000 ( 1000W )
CPU = Intel QX9650
RAM = OCZ DDR3-16000 Platinum Edition 4GB Kit ( OCZ3P20004GK )
HDD = Western Digital Raptor ( 300GB x2 Raid 0)
VGA1 = PNY GeForce 280GTX 1GB
VGA2 = none
VGA3 = none
SPU ( Sound Card ) = AuzenTech Auzen X-Fi Prelude
NorthBridge Cooling = Bitpower water block
SouthBridge Cooling = Bitpower water block
CPU Cooling = custom water cooled with Swiftech water block
RAM Cooling = OCZ Memory Cooler
nFORCE Chipset Drivers Version = nVIDIA nFORCE Drivers v15.23
ForceWare/GeForce Drivers Version = nVIDIA ForceWare v177.83
Sound Card Drivers Version = X-Fi Prelude RC7
BIOS version 0901
BIOS Settings
Extreme Tweaker
CPU Level Up = Auto
Memory Level Up = Auto
AI Overclock Tuner = Manual
CPU Multiplier = 9.0
FSB - Memory Clock Mode = Linked
FSB - Memory Ratio = Synch
FSB (QDR) MHz = 1800
MEM (DDR) MHz = 1800
LDT Frequency = 5x
PCIE Bus Slot 1 & 2 MHz = 125 There's a minor performance gain but so not worth it, will need more NB,SB voltage thus gets your mainboard hot.
PCIE Bus Slot 3 MHz = 100
SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, MHz = 200
SLI-Ready Memory = Disabled
Memory Timing Setting
P1 = Disabled
P2 = Disabled
I have the same ram at 1800MHz also. This option is vicious, at 1800MHz of ram you might have corruptions which windows corrects for you. The erros are detectable in memtest86+ (10+ loops), note that it needs more vNB rather than vDimm.
tCL ( CAS Latency ) = 8
tRCD = 8
tRP = 8
tRAS = 28
Command Per Clock (CMD) = 2T
tRRD = Auto
tRC = 46
tWR = Auto
tWTR = Auto
tFAW = Auto
tRD = Auto
tRTP = Auto
tRFC = 102
tREF = 7.8us
I know these settings are quite relaxed for your taste (from what I can tell) but if you want 100% stability, the settings above are tested for 22 loops memtest86+ and 24h prime95 blend. Been playing lots of games, much encoding for a month now and no corruptions whatsoever.
Over Voltage
CPU Voltage = 1.36250V (actual 1.41)
Loadline Calibration = Enabled
CPU PLL Voltage = 1.60V
CPU VTT voltage =1.4V
Memory Voltage = 1.88 averaging actual should be 1.9
NB Core Voltage = 1.56 with 1800FSB
SB Core Voltage = You can safely run this at 1.5v if you revert PCIE Bus Slots to 100, SPP<->MCP Ref Clock to 200. Note that I am running raid 0 stripe at 1800FSB and I don't need more than that.
CPU GTL REF0 Ratio = -36mv
CPU GTL REF1 Ratio = -40mv
CPU GTL REF2 Ratio = -40mv
CPU GTL REF3 Ratio = -36mv
I'm curious, do you get load drop while 100% load on prime95 blend with these cpu gtl refs?
NB GTL REF Ratio = auto
DDR3 CHA1 Ref Volt = DDR3_REF
DDR3 CHB1 Ref Volt = DDR3_REF
DDR3 CHA2 Ref Volt = DDR3_REF
DDR3 CHB2 Ref Volt = DDR3_REF
You don't have to change these, but auto stands for that.
CPU Configuration
CPU Internal Thermal Control = Enabled
Limit CPUID MaxVal = Disabled
Enhanced C1 (C1E) = Disabled
Execute Disable Bit = Enabled
Virtualization Technology = Disabled
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep(tm) Tech. = Disabled
CPU Core 2 = Enabled
CPU Core 3 = Enabled
CPU Core 4 = Enabled
Spread Spectrum Control
CPU Spread Spectrum = Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
MCP PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum = Disabled
LDT Spread Spectrum = Disabled
If your cpu temps are fine then you can run 2000FSB with ram at 9-9-9-30-2T, tRC 50, tRFC 110 and voltage at 1.9,1.92 (actual 1.92,1.95), vNB 1.6 (actual 1.62)
Other than that, you can say hello to utmost stability.
Your on the max vtt 1.4 anymore you risk frying you cpu, and why do u disable p1 p2 that totally kills the performance, bandwidth.
Do you really need a 50 trc for 2000, im running a 40 trc, at 2040mgz linked n synced, no p1 p2 high trc, kiss performance goodbye, just my opinion. I can pass memtest 1000 times with trc of 40, p1 p2 enabled, no data corruption at all.
VTT can go higher without any issues, oc 45nm cpus quite some times. Overclocked a qx9650 with 1.44vCore and VTT, lapped at 4.5GHz and he's been running it for a year now, no issues, yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by neo mike
Yeah but you are running 2x1GB dimms, 2x2GB is another story. More density = much harder to stable. Besides, i would say quality weights to crucial compared to ocz, they clock a bit better.
These timings are loosened for 2GB (2x1GB) I know. But trust me they are ok for 4GB. P1 and P2 disabled for the same reason, though if I had 2x1GB dimms I would enable them, tight timigs more along with 1T command rate.
Just from what i have read higher than 1.4 vtt not good. Plenty of people with this board with 4 gigs of ram linked n synced with p1 p2 enabled, check your everest bandwidth with p1 p2 on auto, no bandwidth at all, have to have p1 p2 enabled. Yes 4 gigs 2x2 is harder, guys here have 8 gigs linked n synced at 1800mgz with p1 p2 enabled, so no problem to do.
With proper cooling I might add. I must agree you get performance but does it worth corruption?Quote:
Originally Posted by neo mike
I can run 2080MHz with 9-9-9-30-2T tRC: 50, tRFC: 110 with 1.95v auto P1 & P2. I even get corruption at 1600 MHz with P1 and P2. Once a week I got game crash, or corrupted file on a flash memory etc. Small things, nothing major but still unstable in my opinion.
You see, those settings I gave that guy is for him only, he can follow them or ignore them. I know this, they should be disabled while overclocking, once you find a stable clock you can enable them unless corruption is present.
Ok, i never get corruption, data corruption only comes from trying to overclock your memory to far, i have no corruption at all, i can run 2090mgz 8-7-6-21 1t, with 0 corruption. To me you have to enable p1 p2, you just lose way to much performance when is on auto, your a smart guy, im sure you can get p1 p2 to work, your the only one i know having corruption, and what bios you running ?
1104, you really think its because of the bios?
well not sure, but i went from 1104 to 1202, not sure if thats it, but you could try 1202.
I'm quite hesitant to update to beta bios, I struggled to get as I am now. Did you use adwflash, or ezflash?
Hi cibic
i tried to increase memory voltage and i am stable with prime95 and memtest when i set 1.76 memory and everything on auto at stock 10x multiplier. However when i try to set 1333 fsb with 8x i can't get stable. Maybe it's the CPU's problem, that it doesn't overclock but windows doesn't seem to freezze anymore when i am at stock settings. I ordered the OCZ3N1800SR4GK RAM i mentioned, i will get them in 3-5 days. i want to use 1600 fsb. Which CPU would you recommend for 1600 fsb and do you think it would be possible to use the new RAM with my current Q6700?
i used ezflash, who said its a beta bios ? its not even on asus website, i like 1202.
Precisely its not on their website. Tried enabling them anyway, now I get failing cores everytime on cores 2 and 4 at 49 minutes with 1.58 to 1.64vNB and adequate vDimm that can run 2080 MHz (1.95v), since system passed 24h blend the only change I did is P1 and P2, motherboard liquid cooled, NB at 55 degrees Celsius on load (1.64v), Corsair dominator on top of ram. Proves once more that they are unstable with my system, anyhow got a list of settings I tried before and these are marked as a failure. But I pass if I disable 2 cores :shrug:
One important thing I forgot to mention, OCZ forums say that its because of quad core systems; they tend to strain the system more.
Do you get undetectable ram on CAS 9 when you link and sync your ram, or is it just 1104?
1202 runs fine in everyway, no issues that i can see. Well your first problem is your using OCZ memory, it has know issues with all 790i boards. Your stable, but enable p1 p2 and fail on certain cores, then its your OCZ bro, read the early part of striker thread, read the evga forums, OCZ major known issues with 790i, i wouldnt run it on this board. Trigger just got his overclock stable 4.0 ghz q9650, 8 gigs of ram 1800mgz linked n synced stable, but its patriot memory, with p1 p2 enabled.
There was an issue with OCZ and s2e but with earlier bios. I believe it was fixed, I was surfing OCZ's forums and people managed P1 and P2 with dual cores. I just might try bios 1202 but the problem is I haven't got a floppy drive or a floppy. The thing is I used to have OCZ DDR3 1600 but turned out they were defective so I RMA'ed them then exchanged them with OCZ DDR3 2000 with 50 pounds more. I thought of getting crucial or patriot but the difference was quite bigger so I skipped.
You can flash the bios on a usb flash driver also, i dont use floppys.
Ok, I'll do it then and I will post my results
Hi cibic
i tried to increase memory voltage and i am stable with prime95 and memtest when i set 1.76 memory and everything on auto at stock 10x multiplier. However when i try to set 1333 fsb with 8x i can't get stable. Maybe it's the CPU's problem, that it doesn't overclock but windows doesn't seem to freezze anymore when i am at stock settings. I ordered the OCZ3N1800SR4GK RAM i mentioned, i will get them in 3-5 days. i want to use 1600 fsb. Which CPU would you recommend for 1600 fsb and do you think it would be possible to use the new RAM with my current Q6700?
Of course mate, OCZ DDR3-1800 will do 1600 with tight timings at stock voltage. If you have proper cooling on cpu and fan flow on top of ram you should be okay. I can help you even with your new ram. Now, you need to decide what cpu speed you want to achieve, with 1600 FSB and 10x multi results to 4GHz, 9x 3.6GHz and 8x 3.2GHz. But from what I understand your CPU doesn't like 8x isn't that right? My cpu goes up to 9x but hates 7x.
neo mike bios 1202 rock. P1 & P2 Enabled, 8-8-8-28-2T, tRC:38, tWR:10, tRFC: 80, 1900MHz at just 1.94v and stable; I've seen a kick in performance too.
ozgunkara with your new OCZ memory it might be best to flash your board to version 1202.
First it took 1202 for me to get QX9650 stable and I might add proper GTLREF voltage adjustments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cibic
If core 1 and 3 ("cores 2 and 4") are failing at 49 min it could be heat related though.
IF not heat you may need to dial in a better GTLREF voltage not sure where you are at in this regard but the rule is if Core 0 or 1 fail increase GTLREF lanes 0 and 2 or if cores 2 or 3 fail raise GTLREF lanes 1 and 3 seeing your issue I'd say all your GTLREF voltages are set wrong. You need to find the high and the low that it will boot to then average them rounding up for a starting point for testing without changing your NB voltage if you change your NB voltages so changes your GTLREF voltage adjustment. So you'll need to test with a static NB voltage and resist bumping it + or - until you find the right GTL setting.
Good luck tweaking your gtl refs.Quote:
Originally Posted by owcraftsman
My cpu gtl ref's are fine. From 1.36 to 1.6 VTT it should be +56 +52 +52 +56 for 65nm with this board. They don't work the way you say nor you "find" them, its more like calculate and round them, as simple as that.
On my case though, after upgrading to bios 1202, all I needed was more vNB (1.62v) to run 1900FSB then I passed the 4 hour barrier. After I tighten the timings abit and got failing core again, increased vDimm and tested for 12h, guess what, rock solid stable without even touching gtl refs. With my system, if anything is unstable it crashes/core fails within 49 minutes to 1 hour and 10 mins.
I was wondering, what does everest memory benchmark report on yours? I am curious, well more like comparative if that's alright with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by neo mike
You mean the score at 2090mgz ? i get 13,750.
hi cibic
i got the ocz RAM i mentioned and everything is running on stock settings right now. which settings would you recommend for RAM and CPU for 1600 mhz fsb? I updated the list for you. I look forward for your help.
P.S. i also want to ask if the cooling would be a problem. i used to water cool my ram,cpu,nb, hard discs. Right now i water cool cpu,nb,hard discs. I left the original heatsinks on the RAM for cooling. Do you think that my ram would overheat as i use them at 1600mhz?
PSU ( Power Supply Unit ) = Hiper 780watt
CPU =intel Q6700
RAM = 2x 2gb OCZ Sli Ready 1800mhz RAM
HDD ( the one where you have your windows installation on ) = 2x Samsung hd250hj 250gb
VGA1 = Zotac GTX 285
VGA2 ( if you have ) = none
VGA3 ( if you have ) = none
SPU ( Sound Card ) = none
NorthBridge Cooling = stock, water
SouthBridge Cooling = stock
CPU Cooling = koolance cpu-340 water
RAM Cooling = none
nFORCE Chipset Drivers Version = 15.23
ForceWare/GeForce Drivers Version = 182.04
Sound Card Drivers Version = none
BIOS version 1202 REQUIRED 1202
BIOS Settings
Extreme Tweaker
CPU Level Up = Auto
Memory Level Up = Auto
AI Overclock Tuner = auto
CPU Multiplier = 10.0
FSB - Memory Clock Mode = auto
FSB - Memory Ratio = auto
FSB (QDR) MHz = 1066.7
MEM (DDR) MHz = 1777.8
LDT Frequency = 5x
PCIE Bus Slot 1 & 2 MHz = 100
PCIE Bus Slot 3 MHz = 100
SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, MHz = auto
SLI-Ready Memory = CpuOC 0%
Memory Timing Setting
P1 = auto
P2 = auto
tCL ( CAS Latency ) = auto 8
tRCD = auto 8
tRP = auto 8
tRAS = auto 27
Command Per Clock (CMD) = auto 2T
tRRD = auto 7
tRC = auto 32
tWR = auto 12
tWTR = auto 19
tFAW = auto 33
tRD = auto 10
tRTP = auto 7
tRFC = auto 98
tREF = auto 7.8uS
Over Voltage
CPU Voltage = auto 1.31
Loadline Calibration = disabled
CPU PLL Voltage = auto 1.52
CPU VTT Voltage = auto 1.23
Memory Voltage = auto 1.88
NB Core Voltage = auto 1.45
SB Core Voltage = auto 1.48
CPU GTL REF0 Ratio = auto
CPU GTL REF1 Ratio = auto
CPU GTL REF2 Ratio = auto
CPU GTL REF3 Ratio = auto
NB GTL REF Ratio = auto
DDR3 CHA1 Ref Volt = auto
DDR3 CHB1 Ref Volt = auto
DDR3 CHA2 Ref Volt = auto
DDR3 CHB2 Ref Volt = auto
CPU Configuration
CPU Internal Thermal Control = auto
Limit CPUID MaxVal = Disabled
Enhanced C1 (C1E) = Enabled
Execute Disable Bit = Enabled
Virtualization Technology = Enabled
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep(tm) Tech. = Enabled
CPU Core 2 = Enabled
CPU Core 3 ( Ignore this setting, unless you have a Quad-Core CPU ) = Enabled
CPU Core 4 ( Ignore this setting, unless you have a Quad-Core CPU ) = Enabled
Spread Spectrum Control
CPU Spread Spectrum = Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
MCP PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum = Disabled
LDT Spread Spectrum = Disabled
PSU ( Power Supply Unit ) = Hiper 780watt
CPU = Intel Q6700
RAM = 2x 2gb OCZ Sli Ready 1800mhz RAM
HDD = 2x Samsung hd250hj 250gb
VGA1 = Zotac GTX 285
SPU ( Sound Card ) = none
NorthBridge Cooling = stock, water
SouthBridge Cooling = stock
CPU Cooling = koolance cpu-340 water
RAM Cooling = none
nFORCE Chipset Drivers Version = 15.23
ForceWare/GeForce Drivers Version = 182.04
Sound Card Drivers Version = none
BIOS version 1202 REQUIRED 1202
BIOS Settings
Extreme Tweaker
CPU Level Up = Auto
Memory Level Up = Auto
AI Overclock Tuner = Manual
CPU Multiplier = 9
FSB - Memory Clock Mode = Linked
FSB - Memory Ratio = Sync Mode
FSB (QDR) MHz = 1600
MEM (DDR) MHz = 1600
LDT Frequency = 5x
PCIE Bus Slot 1 & 2 MHz = 100
PCIE Bus Slot 3 MHz = 100
SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, MHz = 200
SLI-Ready Memory = Disabled
Memory Timing Setting
P1 = Enabled
P2 = Enabled
tCL ( CAS Latency ) = 7
tRCD = 7
tRP = 7
tRAS = 24
Command Per Clock (CMD) = 2T
tRRD = auto
tRC = auto
tWR = auto
tWTR = auto
tFAW = auto
tRD = auto
tRTP = auto
tRFC = auto
tREF = auto
Over Voltage
CPU Voltage = Actual 1.42 (in hardware monitor)
Loadline Calibration = Enabled
CPU PLL Voltage = 1.54
CPU VTT Voltage = 1.4
Memory Voltage = 1.88
NB Core Voltage = 1.48
SB Core Voltage = 1.5
CPU GTL REF0 Ratio = +56
CPU GTL REF1 Ratio = +52
CPU GTL REF2 Ratio = +52
CPU GTL REF3 Ratio = +56
NB GTL REF Ratio = auto
DDR3 CHA1 Ref Volt = DDR3_REF
DDR3 CHB1 Ref Volt = DDR3_REF
DDR3 CHA2 Ref Volt = DDR3_REF
DDR3 CHB2 Ref Volt = DDR3_REF
CPU Configuration
CPU Internal Thermal Control = auto
Limit CPUID MaxVal = Disabled
Enhanced C1 (C1E) = Disabled
Execute Disable Bit = Enabled
Virtualization Technology = Enabled
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep(tm) Tech. = Disabled
CPU Core 2 = Enabled
CPU Core 3 = Enabled
CPU Core 4 = Enabled
Spread Spectrum Control
CPU Spread Spectrum = Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
MCP PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum = Disabled
LDT Spread Spectrum = Disabled
The ram will be fine, but if you decide to overclock it some airflow would do the trick. I have some settings in mind that require better ram cooling, you will still run it at 1800MHz but with tighter timings. With 1800FSB and 9x multi that means that your cpu will be running at 4GHz which will require 1.55v at least.
These settings are quite relaxed and should be stable. Make sure you pass at least 4h prime95 blend then post your results.
EDIT: Would really help if you told me your VID in coretemp, without running any other monitoring/overclocking programs in the background.
Wow, I never thought 1T would make such a difference. With 8-8-8-28-2T, tRC: 38, tWR:10, tRFC:80 can do 2045MHz at 1.98v which is quite high for my taste. I got more write performance at 11,857 MB/s than read.Quote:
Originally Posted by neo mike
hi cibic
when I tried to set the settings you told me I could not post. i tried to clear cmos but i still can't post. the lcd poster says cpu init all the time.
hi
I managed to clear cmos in the end it boots with the auto settings right now but it can't post with your settings. What do you think is the problem that the cpu does not accept overclocking?
I also don't understand what VID is, as you mentioned last time :D
CPU init means it needs more voltage. VID is the minimum voltage your cpu needs to run at stock frequencies but most of the times it can go lower than that. VID is reported in the program I mentioned a few posts ago. I am guessing that your cpu is 1.3v VID. My q6600 can do 3.6GHz at 1.42v but its VID is 1.26. Increase cpu voltage along with vVTT (they should be about the same) until you can boot, it will need a bit more than that to pass prime95 small fft's though.
My friend thats because you dont have P1 P2 enabled, it makes a huge difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cibic
I mentioned they are enabled after bios upgrade to 1202, i think.
You should check, cause thats a low score for that speed, i get 12,940 with 2000mgz cas 8, processor at 4.0Quote:
Originally Posted by Cibic
I mean they are enabled. It has got to be 1T, what tRC and tWR are you running? I would appreciate if you could set Command Rate at 2T and post your result.
Im running 39 trc, 1t only gives you about 200-300 points more. Twr 10, trfc 78. Your not running you processor at 4.0 ? that could be the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cibic
I'm running it at 4050 and ram at 2025 at the moment. Can't go more because I'm already at 1.6vCore. Besides, mine's quad with 8mb cache, it should do better though its an early quad model.
EDIT: I tried 1T, got loads of corruptions but I actually made it through the benchmark before it BSOD on me. Seems like OCZ or 2GB modules are more sensitive to 1T, I managed to do 13,210 MB/s write and 13,002 read.
Hi Cibic
i tried what you recommended and it mostly got stuck at "en setup". I tried to increase voltage like you mentioned and was able to see the boot screen of windows but i never managed to see my desktop. I guess my Cpu is not good at overclock or I am just bad at it :D.
Freezing or crashing? VID would still be helpful on this stage, can show us what we are up against.
Starts, set vNB to 1.54, PLL at 1.56, memory at 1.9 and let me know whats your top vCore and vVTT so far. You can try raising vCore and vVTT even more if your temps are fine.
Hi All! I can finally post my problem on this super help page! Here is my template...
Required System Specifications
PSU ( Power Supply Unit ) = Epsilon FX700-GLN 700watt
CPU = Intel Core2Quad CPU Q9550 2.83ghz
RAM = 2Gb Corsair XMS3 CM3X2G1333C9 DDR3 SDRAM 1333 Mhz
HDD ( the one where you have your windows installation on ) = Seagate Barracuda 500Gb 7200.11
VGA1 = Asus ENGTX260 896Mb DDR3
VGA2 ( if you have ) = no
VGA3 ( if you have ) = no
SPU ( Sound Card ) = Creative Soundblaster Audigy 2 Value
NorthBridge Cooling = none
SouthBridge Cooling = none
CPU Cooling = none (I have Enermax Chakra Case with 24cm Cooling Fan)
RAM Cooling = none
nFORCE Chipset Drivers Version = 15.25
ForceWare/GeForce Drivers Version = 186.18
Sound Card Drivers Version = 6.0.1.1370
BIOS version 0801 REQUIRED (I have 1104 version)
BIOS Settings
Extreme Tweaker
CPU Level Up = Auto
Memory Level Up = Auto
AI Overclock Tuner = Auto
CPU Multiplier = 8.5
FSB - Memory Clock Mode = Auto
FSB - Memory Ratio = Auto
FSB (QDR) MHz = 1333
MEM (DDR) MHz = Auto (1333.3)
LDT Frequency = 5x
PCIE Bus Slot 1 & 2 MHz = 100
PCIE Bus Slot 3 MHz = 100
SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, MHz = Auto
SLI-Ready Memory = Disabled
Memory Timing Setting
P1 = Auto
P2 = Auto
tCL ( CAS Latency ) = Auto (9)
tRCD = Auto (9)
tRP = Auto (9)
tRAS = Auto (24)
Command Per Clock (CMD) = (Auto) 1T
tRRD = Auto (5)
tRC = Auto (34)
tWR = Auto (12)
tWTR = Auto (16)
tFAW = Auto (26)
tRD = Auto (11)
tRTP = Auto (5)
tRFC = Auto (74)
tREF = Auto (7.8uS)
Over Voltage
CPU Voltage = Auto
Loadline Calibration = Disabled
CPU PLL Voltage = Auto
CPU VTT Voltage = Auto
Memory Voltage = Auto
NB Core Voltage = Auto
SB Core Voltage = Auto
CPU GTL REF0 Ratio = Auto
CPU GTL REF1 Ratio = Auto
CPU GTL REF2 Ratio = Auto
CPU GTL REF3 Ratio = Auto
NB GTL REF Ratio = Auto
DDR3 CHA1 Ref Volt = Auto
DDR3 CHB1 Ref Volt = Auto
DDR3 CHA2 Ref Volt = Auto
DDR3 CHB2 Ref Volt = Auto
CPU Configuration
CPU Internal Thermal Control = Auto
Limit CPUID MaxVal = Disabled
Enhanced C1 (C1E) = Disabled
Execute Disable Bit = Enabled
Virtualization Technology = Enabled
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep(tm) Tech. = Enabled
CPU Core 2 = Enabled
CPU Core 3 ( Ignore this setting, unless you have a Quad-Core CPU ) = Enabled
CPU Core 4 ( Ignore this setting, unless you have a Quad-Core CPU ) = Enabled
Spread Spectrum Control
CPU Spread Spectrum = Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum = Auto
MCP PCIE Spread Spectrum = Auto
SATA Spread Spectrum = Disabled
LDT Spread Spectrum = Auto
Problem Description
I have a random freeze problem Just when I play games with high-end graphics ( Crysis, ARMA II, etc.).
Sometimes it happens after 10 min of play, other times it happens after 2-3h of play. I also tried to play with low details-medium details but nothing has changed. I've noticed that sometimes after freezing it's possible to hear a continuous sound from speakers. It's not important for me to overclock. So we can try to solve the problem without overclocking. Thanks all for the help! Bye!
Required System Specifications
PSU ( Power Supply Unit ) = ABS TAGAN BZSeries (1300W)
CPU = Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650
RAM = Corsair Twin3X2048-1333C9 (9-9-9-24 1.6v ver 1.1)
HDD= WD Raptor 10krpm( 150GB, SATA II )
VGA1 = BFG GeForce 9800GX2 1024MB
VGA2 ( if you have ) =
VGA3 ( if you have ) =
SPU ( Sound Card ) = Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Extreme Gamer
NorthBridge Cooling = Water Cooled (2 fans on copper shrouds)
SouthBridge Cooling = Stock cooler with a fan above it blowing towards the SB
CPU Cooling = Water Cooled
RAM Cooling = High cmf fan blowing right on the ram
nFORCE Chipset Drivers Version = nVIDIA nFORCE Drivers v15.25
ForceWare/GeForce Drivers Version = nVIDIA ForceWare v186
Sound Card Drivers Version = Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Drivers WebUpdate
BIOS version 0801 REQUIRED, Actual 1104
BIOS Settings
Extreme Tweaker
CPU Level Up = Auto
Memory Level Up = Auto
AI Overclock Tuner = Manual
CPU Multiplier = 9
FSB - Memory Clock Mode = Linked
FSB - Memory Ratio = Synch
FSB (QDR) MHz = 1333
MEM (DDR) MHz = 1333
LDT Frequency = 5x
PCIE Bus Slot 1 & 2 MHz = 100
PCIE Bus Slot 3 MHz = 100
SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, MHz = 200.0MHz
SLI-Ready Memory = Disabled
Memory Timing Setting
P1 = Auto
P2 = Auto
tCL ( CAS Latency ) = 99
tRCD = 9
tRP = 9
tRAS = 24
Command Per Clock (CMD) = 1T
tRRD = 5
tRC = 34
tWR = 12
tWTR = 16
tFAW = 26
tRD = 11
tRTP = 5
tRFC = 60
tREF = 7.8us
Over Voltage
CPU Voltage = 1.21250V (1.24v actual)
Loadline Calibration = Disabled
CPU PLL Voltage = Auto
CPU VTT Voltage = Auto
Memory Voltage = 1.54V (1.60v actual)
NB Core Voltage = Auto
SB Core Voltage = Auto
CPU GTL REF0 Ratio = Auto
CPU GTL REF1 Ratio = Auto
CPU GTL REF2 Ratio = Auto
CPU GTL REF3 Ratio = Auto
NB GTL REF Ratio = Auto
DDR3 CHA1 Ref Volt = Auto
DDR3 CHB1 Ref Volt = Auto
DDR3 CHA2 Ref Volt = Auto
DDR3 CHB2 Ref Volt = Auto
CPU Configuration
CPU Internal Thermal Control = Auto
Limit CPUID MaxVal = Disabled
Enhanced C1 (C1E) = Enabled
CPU C State Capability = Disabled
Execute Disable Bit = Enabled
Virtualization Technology = Disabled
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep(tm) Tech. = Disabled
CPU Core 2 = Enabled
CPU Core 3 = Enabled
CPU Core 4 = Enabled
Spread Spectrum Control
CPU Spread Spectrum = Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
MCP PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum = Disabled
LDT Spread Spectrum = Disabled
Issues:
Freezing video and looping audio when playing games, and sometimes while surfing the web. I am just trying to get this thing stable at stock, no over clocking and cannot.. I get maybe an hour if lucky of playing before a freeze up. Even just setting the memory timings, bus, and voltage and leaving all else auto still causes it. no issues posting or in memtest..
Please help:)
Hi there, you can start by making sure your NB and ram are not overheating, the NB can still get hot if you don't change its paste to ceramic at least.
Follow these steps:
Increase mem voltage to 1.56v and NB to 1.48v. If that doesn't work then try increasing them even more but but i don't recommend exceeding 1.62v on mem and 1.54v on vNB for 1333 FSB and no OC.
If the problem persists then set P1 & P2 to disabled and Command Rate (CMD) to 2T, at this point you can decrease mem and NB voltages.
NB only appears to be running at max 60c (that is the MCP reading?) as for ram, it is rated at 1333 and i have a high cmf fan right on it. Also the sticker does say 1.6v and I am running it at bios setting 1.54, or 1.6v actual from the hardware monitor.
How can i see the ram tempeture? as well, the spd on the ram has all 1.5v settings, but even setting the bios to 1.5, the actual is like 1.58v minimum....
Thanks
Your ram temp should be fine with airflow but if you want to check anyway, use your finger but with the back skin (near your nail which is more sensitive to temperature) and if you can hold it there for 10 seconds while on load then it should be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitrateOC
Isn't that the max your mem voltage goes? We need the average values which in my experience is -/+ 0.02v-0.03v from what your set in bios. The problem with the ram is that you need to compensate for voltage loss that happens no matter what and on load it decreases even more.
I think i just need a new board, this one is just highly unstable.. Just changing the few settings that I showed in my bios, it still locks. I have now set the cpu on auto, hovering around 1.32v in the voltage monitor. Some people said that they set the same memory i have at 9-9-9-27 at 1.8v and that fixed there issue. I ran it at that and the thing ran for 2 hours before crash, and now it is back to 10 to 35 mins max before freez.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cibic
I ran memtest for 6 hours no issue with the NB setting you gave me and the above mem settings. I looped 3dmark06 advanced for 4 hours just on vid and cpu tests and no crashes. I then play a game and bam, it will crash consistently. I have never had this problem before. First system ever that has done this to me.
Any suggestions on a nice board to replace this one?
It could still be setting related or perhaps you need a newer bios version or both. You could tell me the exact settings you tried stating which are auto. But if you still want to get rid of this board I would go for msi x48 or p45 ddr3 mb.
Well in my post above i did show all the auto settings. I made some more changes. Here is my new settings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cibic
Required System Specifications
PSU ( Power Supply Unit ) = ABS TAGAN BZSeries (1300W)
CPU = Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650
RAM = Corsair Twin3X2048-1333C9 (9-9-9-24 1.6v ver 1.1)
HDD= WD Raptor 10krpm( 150GB, SATA II )
VGA1 = BFG GeForce 9800GX2 1024MB
VGA2 ( if you have ) =
VGA3 ( if you have ) =
SPU ( Sound Card ) = Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Extreme Gamer
NorthBridge Cooling = Water Cooled (2 fans on copper shrouds)
SouthBridge Cooling = Stock cooler with a fan above it blowing towards the SB
CPU Cooling = Water Cooled
RAM Cooling = High cmf fan blowing right on the ram
nFORCE Chipset Drivers Version = nVIDIA nFORCE Drivers v15.25
ForceWare/GeForce Drivers Version = nVIDIA ForceWare v186
Sound Card Drivers Version = Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Drivers WebUpdate
BIOS version 0801 REQUIRED, Actual 1104
BIOS Settings
Extreme Tweaker
CPU Level Up = Auto
Memory Level Up = Auto
AI Overclock Tuner = Manual
CPU Multiplier = 9
FSB - Memory Clock Mode = Linked
FSB - Memory Ratio = Synched
FSB (QDR) MHz = 1333
MEM (DDR) MHz = 1333
LDT Frequency = 5x
PCIE Bus Slot 1 & 2 MHz = 100
PCIE Bus Slot 3 MHz = 100
SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, MHz = Auto
SLI-Ready Memory = Disabled
Memory Timing Setting
P1 = Enabled (the 1104 bios only has auto and enabled)
P2 = Enabled (the 1104 bios only has auto and enabled)
tCL ( CAS Latency ) = 9
tRCD = 9
tRP = 9
tRAS = 24
Command Per Clock (CMD) = 1T
tRRD = (Auto) 5
tRC = (Auto) 34
tWR = (Auto) 12
tWTR = (Auto) 16
tFAW = (Auto) 26
tRD = (Auto) 11
tRTP = (Auto) 5
tRFC = (Auto) 60
tREF = (Auto) 7.8us
Over Voltage
CPU Voltage = Auto (1.32v actual)
Loadline Calibration = Disabled
CPU PLL Voltage = Auto
CPU VTT Voltage = Auto
Memory Voltage = 1.7v (1.78v actual)
NB Core Voltage = 1.40
SB Core Voltage = 1.50
CPU GTL REF0 Ratio = Auto
CPU GTL REF1 Ratio = Auto
CPU GTL REF2 Ratio = Auto
CPU GTL REF3 Ratio = Auto
NB GTL REF Ratio = Auto
DDR3 CHA1 Ref Volt = DDR3_REF
DDR3 CHB1 Ref Volt = DDR3_REF
DDR3 CHA2 Ref Volt = DDR3_REF
DDR3 CHB2 Ref Volt = DDR3_REF
CPU Configuration
CPU Internal Thermal Control = Auto
Limit CPUID MaxVal = Disabled
Enhanced C1 (C1E) = Disabled
CPU C State Capability = Disabled
Execute Disable Bit = Enabled
Virtualization Technology = Disabled
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep(tm) Tech. = Disabled
CPU Core 2 = Enabled
CPU Core 3 = Enabled
CPU Core 4 = Enabled
Spread Spectrum Control
CPU Spread Spectrum = Auto
PCIE Spread Spectrum = Auto
MCP PCIE Spread Spectrum = Auto
SATA Spread Spectrum = Disabled
LDT Spread Spectrum = Disabled
I did not get a single crash with theses settings during the 2 hours or so i played WoW and Counter Strike. However I am getting weird popping on my sound card Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Extreme Gamer, especially when using voice chat. I am also seeing stages in the game where is wants to freeze, like momentary suturing here and there but it kept recovering. I am also occasionaly seeing a usb error that blue screens some times, or say when i go into the bios the keyboard won't work.
So I am still not sure..
and Thanks for your input Cibic, i appreciate it...
Hm, you are either closer to stable or lucky. Try to lower mem voltage to 1.65v actual average and vNB to 1.5v actual.
DDR3 is quite sensitive to voltage. Even with adequate cooling, modules can still get damaged.
Memtest is not enough, once you can prime95 blend for 8 hours then you can say that you are stable.
Also set all your Spread Spectrums to disabled; it might help. Note that you can enable Enhanced Intel SpeedStep(tm) Tech since you are on stock cpu frequency.
Sorry I forgot that on P1&P2 the only options available are those.
Glad that I can help :up:
I will try your suggestions and see what happens. However I initially have the mem set at 1.6v (1.68 measured) with NB set on auto and the thing still got the crashes every 35 minutes..
The thing for me is that I was just trying to get this thing running stock for a few weeks before i started over clocking. I assumed that out of the box with just setting the mem frequency and the 9-9-9-24 at 1.6v (sticker), that the box would do this, so all the rest of this stuff is new to me. On all my other Asus boards, i was able to run stock out of the box no issues, then play from their by reading boards. The thing that is really getting to me is the soundblaster issues, which in my mind is some kind of board issue, but maybe its my NB or SB voltage?
So needless to say i am a bit confused.. I am thinking about going and picking up a set of crucial balisiex 1333 or 1600 memory and seeing if my memory is just already blown. Any suggestions on setting for clearing the cmos and adding this new memory as a start? any recommendations on which mem to get? Also is there a way to find the default recommended vcore for a cpu? my Q9660 is default auto to 1.32v average, but i see people clocking Q9770 to 4Ghz with a vcore of 1.29V... I am wondering if the system is just pumping to much voltage for the stock settings..
I eventually want to run my Q9650 at 3.6Ghz to maybe 3.8 or 4GHz...
Thanks..
Are you having issues with Supreme FX too? The popping could be from improper grounding, power surges etc. It can be fixed with power surge protector i'm guessing.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitrateOC
You could try another set of sticks at 1333 or more (but keeping speed at 1333 with your FSB), everything at stock and more than stock voltage then prime95 blending again.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitrateOC
There's a button on AS2E which resets CMOS, it works better than taking the small battery out. To reset cmos there's instructions on the MB manual.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitrateOC
I had in mind that corsair works better with this board, I experienced similar issues with OCZ. You should decide first whats your overclocking goal, in my opinion you need more memory speed than your FSB (1:2). For instance, if your goal is 4GHz with 9x multi which is 1777FSB then you need your ram to run at least 1800MHz which I think will need more than stock voltage to run (with a quad core, with this board, with OCZ and with 2x2GB modules).Quote:
Originally Posted by hitrateOC
Quote:
Originally Posted by hitrateOC
You can find what is your cpu's VID from CoreTemp. VID is the voltage your CPU needs at full load to operate, theoretically that is; but I have seen cpus running at VID then dropping even more on load, sustaining operation. To be sure you won't have any problems set your vCore to whatever your cpu's VID (actual) + 0.04v-0.05v which this board drops on full load without LLC (=Loadline Calibration).
By the way, there is no Q9770 there's only qx9770 that has unlocked multiplier which is a different story, it is better if you get your examples from cpu's of the same model and even better with the same stepping and VID.
Thanks once again.. After days of reading, and your advice I am starting to get a good feel for what i need to do to get this board stable. I have downloaded prime95 and will make the changes and test with my current configuration. I see from alot of boards that Vtt has a major affect on this board. i will start base, test and make one change at a time.
The grounding issue you mention is something i am going to look at, and might be the base of the whole issue, thanks for that tip. My ABS 1300w actually has a grounding cable, it would not even turn on until it screwed it to my case. But my case is all aluminum and i wonder if that is causing grounding issues. The plate that my mobo sits on is actually metal and I think i will ground the power supply to the plate bracket instead of the chassis. I actually screwed it to the chasis with a screw that holds my cdrom in place, maybe this is not right.
Thanks for all your help... I will not start the proper build and testing.
If your tower turns on then its properly grounded, your problem is probably power surges. A friend of mine had popping sounds issue every day from the his on-board sound card which I found 2 solutions for it. The one I mentioned before which can easily be fixed with the surge protector (I noticed that the popping sound came when the air condition unit changed modes/fan speeds) and the other by getting an amplifier (i actually got that by installing my logitech z-5300 sound system that has an amplifier on its sub woofer which eliminated the problem without the power surge protector).
Sorry to disappoint you but I found no instabilities with my friend's pc at the time he had the issue.
Hey,
So I checked the ground and it was not making great contact, i moved it to the plate, played some CSS and alot of the background hum and pop was gone, but not perfect... I then went to play some WoW, got in our 25 man ulduar raid and with in 3 minutes when the action started, bam.. Major crash. I wanted to break the thing.
I went back into the bios and made some changes:
Vdimm=1.54 volts (1.6 measured, this was my orignal setting, memtest pass, but still had crashes)
Vcore=1.35 volts (1.36 measured, intel says this is max for this chip?)
Vtt=1.30 volts (1.32 measured, was auto at 1.12v)
NB=1.40
SB=1.50
disabled the spread spectrum. One thing to note, is before i changed the ground, Vcore at 1.24 volts (bois setting) actually measured 1.32Volts actual. This time the bios setting actually measured super close. I ran prime95 11+ hours not a single crash.. Ran a 25 man raid last night and not a single crash..
I suspect like many others have noted ,is that Vtt is extremly important on this board, especially for quad cores and the auto setting is just not right at all, at least for my board. My guess at this point is that I could drop the Vcore a bit lower to get the temps down, so going to test that. At 1.36Volts, the temps never got above 55c and pretty much just hovered around 50c on all 4 cores, MCP at around 58c average.
Try following my previous posts, I only mention changing vCore because this board overvolts the cpu even on stock (follow VID hint). You can leave vtt on auto if you pass small fft's for at least 4h.
If you are having trouble with vcore just leave it to auto for the time being. Remember to increase your NB votlage to 1.48 (1.5v actual) for now then try prime95 blend, if it crashes then increase vdimm until you pass 8h.
Hello Guys,
I've had this board and my machinef or 7 months so far, you can imagine how frustrated I am to get it stable. I have been looking online non stop and finally found this forum - I hope not too late though.
My specs:
Problem DescriptionCode:Required System Specifications
PSU ( Power Supply Unit ) = Epsilon 1010W
CPU = Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 @ 2,83 GHZ (Stepping A rev E0)
RAM = 4 x 1GB TWINMOS DDR3 1333 PC10600
HDD ( the one where you have your windows installation on ) = Maxtor 500GB 7200 RPM (x 2 on a RAID configuration)
VGA1 = MSO GeForce 280 GTX 1GB
VGA2 ( if you have ) = n/a
VGA3 ( if you have ) =n/a
SPU ( Sound Card ) = Built in
NorthBridge Cooling = stock
SouthBridge Cooling = stock
CPU Cooling = stock
RAM Cooling = stock
nFORCE Chipset Drivers Version = 15.25
ForceWare/GeForce Drivers Version = 185.85
BIOS version 0801 REQUIRED = (I have 1104)
BIOS Settings
Extreme Tweaker
CPU Level Up = Auto
Memory Level Up = Auto
AI Overclock Tuner = Manual
CPU Multiplier = 8.5
FSB - Memory Clock Mode = auto
FSB - Memory Ratio = auto
FSB (QDR) MHz = 1333
MEM (DDR) MHz = auto
LDT Frequency = 5x
PCIE Bus Slot 1 & 2 MHz = 100
PCIE Bus Slot 3 MHz = 100
SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, MHz = auto
SLI-Ready Memory = Disabled
Memory Timing Setting
P1 = Auto
P2 = Auto
tCL ( CAS Latency ) = 8
tRCD = 9
tRP = 9
tRAS = 25
Command Per Clock (CMD) = 2T
tRRD = 4
tRC = 33
tWR = 12
tWTR = 16
tFAW = 21
tRD = 10
tRTP = 5
tRFC = 60
tREF = 7.8us
Over Voltage
CPU Voltage = auto
Loadline Calibration = Enabled
CPU PLL Voltage = auto
CPU VTT Voltage = auto
Memory Voltage = 1.5v
NB Core Voltage = 1.5v
SB Core Voltage = 1.6v
CPU GTL REF0 Ratio = auto
CPU GTL REF1 Ratio = auto
CPU GTL REF2 Ratio = auto
CPU GTL REF3 Ratio = auto
NB GTL REF Ratio = auto
DDR3 CHA1 Ref Volt = auto
DDR3 CHB1 Ref Volt = auto
DDR3 CHA2 Ref Volt = auto
DDR3 CHB2 Ref Volt = auto
CPU Configuration
CPU Internal Thermal Control = Disabled
Limit CPUID MaxVal = Disabled
Enhanced C1 (C1E) = Disabled
Execute Disable Bit = Enabled
Virtualization Technology = Disabled
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep(tm) Tech. = Disabled
CPU Core 2 = Enabled
CPU Core 3 ( Ignore this setting, unless you have a Quad-Core CPU ) = Enabled
CPU Core 4 ( Ignore this setting, unless you have a Quad-Core CPU ) = Enabled
Spread Spectrum Control
CPU Spread Spectrum = Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
MCP PCIE Spread Spectrum = Disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum = Disabled
LDT Spread Spectrum = Disabled
The usual lockups and freezes. It does not happen at a consistent rate, someties I run the machine for days with no trouble, other times it freezes / autoreboots 5 times a day. I browse the web most of the time and thats when it hits me. For games they do lockup / freeze as well but depends on the game. Because i have been reading a lot you can see that I have already upped my NB and SB voltages. I have also used CPU-Z to get readings for my RAM memory tables (the damn thing does not have anything online) and I have set those manual accordingly (1.5v, then speeds as shown above).
Recently I have changed CMD to 2T instead of 1T and that seemed to have stabilized the machine a bit more. I've been using it for a couple of days now with only 1 autoreboot incident (while browsing).
Please Help guys. I have gone through the 24 pages of this forum hoping to find a similar setup but with no luck. Apparently I made a wrong choice of RAM (recommended to me by the dumbass who sold me the board - compatibility claim).
Cheers.
Hi Meezus and welcome to XSF.
Your ram timings seem a bit off and some voltages need adjustment. Your ram is CL9 by the way, I don't think there's a problem with your ram, this board doesn't like a lot of ram dimms. Try these changes then prime95 blend for 8 hours:
BIOS Settings
Extreme Tweaker
CPU Level Up = Auto
Memory Level Up = Auto
AI Overclock Tuner = Manual
CPU Multiplier = 8.5
FSB - Memory Clock Mode = Linked
FSB - Memory Ratio = Sync mode
FSB (QDR) MHz = 1333
MEM (DDR) MHz = 1333
LDT Frequency = 5x
PCIE Bus Slot 1 & 2 MHz = 100
PCIE Bus Slot 3 MHz = 100
SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, MHz = 200.0
SLI-Ready Memory = Disabled
Memory Timing Setting
P1 = Enabled
P2 = Enabled
tCL ( CAS Latency ) = 9
tRCD = 9
tRP = 9
tRAS = 27
Command Per Clock (CMD) = 1T
Rest auto on this page
Over Voltage
CPU Voltage = auto
Loadline Calibration = Disabled (you don't need this if you are not clocking)
CPU PLL Voltage = auto
CPU VTT Voltage = auto
Memory Voltage = 1.6v actual in hardware monitor/voltage monitor
NB Core Voltage = 1.5v
SB Core Voltage = 1.5v
Rest auto on this page
Good luck :up:
Hi Cibic,Quote:
Originally Posted by Cibic
Thanks a lot for the response mate. I will try these as soon as I go back home in about 4 hours. For my RAM settings, when its in auto mode on BIOS it picks up 8-8-8-24, you sure it is CL9?
I know they seem a bit off, but thats the timings table readings I got from CPU-Z, I was desperate you know and hence tried them. Funny enough is yesterday I installed Everest Ultimate; it detected my RAM as Eudra and not TWINMOS, and gave me complete different timings (again 8-8-8-24). All them software read my memory as 5, 6, 7 and 8 none listed 9.
Anyway if this works tonight, I am so buying you a gift :) Will update you.
Cheers.
This is your ram's web page:
http://www.twinmos.com/dram/dram_p_dt_ddr3_1333.html
One more thing, if it crashes/freezes again then check your NB temp asap then run memtest86+ for 10-12 loops.
Thanks Cibic, I did check that page but thought since the board is autodetecting at 8 then I should keep it so - dumb I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cibic
Anyway I've done the changes, machine looks fine so far, prime98 has been running for 1h15m so far and I am doing other things in the background. Will let you know in 7 hours ;)
Btw, I am on Vista64, Prime95 (64bit) has differnet testing modes, could not find "blend" so I ran the option which seemed would test everything with 4 workers of course.
Cheers.
Hi Cibic,Quote:
Originally Posted by Cibic
I have jinxed it :( after 1.5 hours i got the usual auto-reboot. My machine just auto rebooted on its own.
NB temp was 68.
I ran memtest already no errors at all.
:(
Your NB temp is quite high. Try to keep it under 65, bare in mind that it gets even hotter on full load and by the time it takes to get into bios and monitor the voltage it cools down a bit. Lower NB voltage to 1.44 and monitor temp in windows while on blend with HWMonitor http://www.cpuid.com/download/hwmoni...itor64_114.zip
Hi Cibic,Quote:
Originally Posted by Cibic
Done that, I am still getting random auto-reboots.
It might be worth mentioning that I no longer have freezes though, only auto-reboots.
I am dying to find out what is causing these. I read some extreme articles on the web which suggests that i could be a wireless keyboard/mouse combo or even the "enable write behind caching" option for the RAID. It seemed a bit wierd though.
Any thoughts?
Cheers.
@Meezus.
Try disabling Loadline Calibration. I had random restarts with Loadline Calibration Enabled. You might have to increase some voltages to compensate though, but you should be fine.
Hi Joe,Quote:
Originally Posted by joebloggs
Thanks for that. I've already done that (Cibic advised it too).
Can you be more specific about the voltages I need to increase please? Maybe that would solve the problem.
The machine is much more stable now with Cibic's guidance (thanks mate), but the auto restarts problem still bugs me like hell.
I am afraid to play games man...imagine all this trouble with just browsing.
Cheers.
Try setting P1 & P2 to auto also Command Rate (CMD) to auto as well. Are the auto reboots random?
Hi Cibic. Done both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cibic
Yep random. Happens mostly while I am browsing. I have all different browsers and it happens with all: IE8, Chrome, FF3 and Safari3. So it is not browser related.
For example, it is almost guaranteed to reboot if i keep scrolling up and down for a while on this page:
http://www.instantshift.com/2009/02/...themes-around/
I know coz today i was considering updating my blog theme and the machine auto rebooted on me 3 times.
Do you guys need me to give you any other BIOS settings? Can the issue be RAID / harddrives related?
Really thanks a lot for all your help.
Cheers.
Disable automatic restart on system failure and let me know the error code when it occurs again. With your current settings, what kind of torture testing have you done so far and for how long?
I doubt its raid/harddrive related issue.
Meezus
Try leaving your Command Rate at 2T, SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, MHz = AUTO , FSB - Memory Clock Mode = unLinked, FSB - Memory Ratio = manual, SB voltage on 1.50.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cibic
@cibic: done. will let you know when it happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by slim142
@Slim142: done the advised settings. will let you know the outcome.
Thanks again guys.
Hey Guys (Cibic & Slim):
Machine just auto-rebooted again, no error messages or blue screen despite that the auto reboot on failure option is disabled.
One more insight I have noticed: I leave my machine on 24/7. Not a single once in the 7 months I had it it rebooted or froze while I was away. It only happens while I am using it. Even when I stream content (I have divx connected, the device just streams but it uses the machine's CPU and VGA card to process the media) it never happened. It has to be me physically using it.
:(:confused:
That sounds like CPU inestability. Disable Loadline calibration and if it still reboots, put your CPU voltage to what your CPU BOX VID says (ex 1.16v, 1.25v etc)Quote:
Originally Posted by Meezus
It has a range: 9550 e0 specs are 0.85V – 1.3625VQuote:
Originally Posted by slim142
CPU-Z reads it swinging between 1.280v and 1.296v
When I followed CIBIC's settings it was at around 1.25
It is set to Auto on BIOS btw.
I have most of the CPU stuff disabled following Benchwarmer settings. These specifically: (internal thermal control, limit CPUID maxval, C1E, speedstep).
What do you think?
Maybe is spiking. The anandtech article about loadline calibration explained that even when loadline calibration gives more voltage than usual, it also spikes (down) for short periods of time. That was the cause of my problems some time ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meezus
Leave it on auto as it might work as necessary there.
Have you tried LinX?
You mean leave the CPU at auto in BIOS? Loadline Calibration is disabled in the BIOS.Quote:
Originally Posted by slim142
ummm..what is LinX? :shrug:
Yes leave CPU voltage on AUTOQuote:
Originally Posted by Meezus
About LinX
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...highlight=linx
Hi Guys,
Are these normal / do they shed any light?
http://www.mazenville.com/images/HWMON.jpg
HT 1.2V as at 1.5V ... isnt that a bit strange?
btw I've enabled loadline calibration again.
Cheers.
Hey Guys,
Here it is with Loadline Calibration disabled, SB and NB on auto.
http://www.mazenville.com/images/hwmon2.jpg
Hope this helps too.
Cheers.