Looking forward to some real 3850 CF numbers:D
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Looking forward to some real 3850 CF numbers:D
like quake wars? unfortunately, i would have to say no..
any one tried that new tri fire aka crossfire -x or quad fire???
which motherboard should i get for quad/tri fire + good Yorkfield oc.. say 500fsb
cuz Q9450 (or is it 9550) the one with 8x multi costs $316 only has 8x multi = need 500fsb for 4GHz ... or maybe i should just get Wolfdale E8500 and hopefully get 4.5GHz ... on water, b/c more boards oc dual well than quads..
i mean no many games support quad core ... Crysis suppose to support it, but my CPU usage never exceed 50% .. i mean NEVER, and UT 3 does support quads, but again CPU usage = 55% max.... no higher.... hmm shoulda get higher clock dual core that might actually get me higher fps
ahh ill post it in intel section
Yup, because compatible AFR does not work there if I remember correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by pphx459
just because they used the same pcb doesn't mean it's the same... there are many upgrades. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ea6gka
im only getting 11K with cards default and q6600@3.6ghz , something wrong :shrug:
thats about the score of only one HD3850 256mb + CPU @ 3Ghz
http://resources.vr-zone.com/newspic...3850-stock.jpg
regards
Is Catalyst AI set to standard?
Hello I have a question. Today I becam my His 3870, it run with 900/1300 on water. My old 2900pro run with 920/1000mhz. I test my new card with 3dmark2006 but I have only 12800 points. With my 2900pro I have 13800 points. Is the pro faster as the 3870 on 3dmark2006? Or its a driverproblem?
The other config is the same :(
CF wasnt working proply because AI wasnt standard , look now
HD3850 256mb DEFAULT
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2834/fo1111es6.jpg
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2235/forum2ct3.jpg
:D :D :D :D
Yep crossfire needs AI to standard or advanced to run properly.
Hey, run 3d06 again but use AI advance
Its slower than Standard....Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
just stumbled upon an article that does a comparison of the p35 and x38, seems like my p975 board at 8x/8x is fine! I can wait a little more for the x38 boards to drop in price :)
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...38_versus_p35/
What drivers are you using, the 3870 should be faster...Quote:
Originally Posted by Riverna
Catalyst 7.11Quote:
Originally Posted by pphx459
The 3870 @ 900/1300 is faster than a 2900pro @ 920/1000 on 3dmark2006?
no , in all reviews :Quote:
Originally Posted by Riverna
2900pro/XT is faster on 3dmark 2006
:up:
Ive been waiting for my oc hd 3850 for a week now...overdue eta!
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...=56&subcat=416
mine arrived two days after ordering from there although they seem to have alot more his in stock than powercolor but it doesnt make any differance anyway
What games come bundled with the His version of the 3870?
Half-Life2 Lost Coast (:p: ) and Deathmatch. Source: http://www.3dgameman.com/content/view/11262/103/Quote:
Originally Posted by malik22
Quick question, whats the likely hood of been able to out put to 2 monitors and a TV with a 3870?
OK its a driverproblem ?Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
I think the problem is 2900Pro/XT is very good in 3dmark 06 and not that much in games (compared to other high end cards). =)
i dont foresee a problem...Quote:
Originally Posted by cliffy
Look at the crossfire scaling for 3870 in crysis I saw these pics on this german forum there half way down the page
http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/show...422403&page=42
That's almost unbelievable! Why an earth anybody has ever tell us about this!?Quote:
Originally Posted by malik22
Tried to google and found nothing about it. It looks like Ati's AFR (announced in cat 7.10) rendering is working. Am I right that AFR doesn't need game to support multi GPU to perform in crossfire? I think this could be an example.
Quote:
Originally Posted by vengance_01
i made few tests ( in my signature)
Quote:
Originally Posted by malik22
nice find !! great results !!
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ATI Cysis Hotfix
WIN XP PRO SP2 DX9 HIGH - 1280x1024
2xHD3870 @ 825/1226MHz
E4400@ 3,2GHz
ABIT IX38 QuadGT
-----------------------------single card = 46,2 FPS-----------------------Crossfire = 69,2 FPS ---- >>> +50%
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/2878/crysiswf8.jpghttp://img236.imageshack.us/img236/3614/crysi2nb5.jpg
-----------------------------single card = 24,8 FPS-----------------------Crossfire = 38,2 FPS ---- >>> +54%
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/726/crysis1dq9.jpghttp://img113.imageshack.us/img113/7329/crysis2ag1.jpg
-----------------------------single card = 42,7 FPS-----------------------Crossfire = 52,6 FPS ---- >>> +33%
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/2020/crysis3cx7.jpghttp://img114.imageshack.us/img114/8746/crysis4gv1.jpg
-----------------------------single card = 34,3 FPS-----------------------Crossfire = 95,7 FPS ---- >>> +179%
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6466/crysis5zz1.jpghttp://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6320/crysis6ni5.jpg
>> http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/show...postcount=1255
maybe next week i receive 2x Powercolor HD3870 PCS edition , i will test them also !!
:up:
:eek2: 3870 CF just keeps looking better and better :D
Nice wrok, mascaras!
He posted another picture, +73%. http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/show...postcount=1277 :up:
Quote:
Originally Posted by L7R
I know every review I saw says crossfire doesnt work in crysis compared to nvidias sli that only scales 20-30percent in this game this is pretty impressive on a hotfix driver and the sad thing is they said crysis was built on the 8800 series.
Wow, that's a decent performance boost from CF....time I got me an x38 board me thinks!
(which is best :P)
lol these cf test are fake
look what tech power up forum guy say
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=45823
he says that cf doesnt work in crysis
Some of you folks don't have a clue what you're talking about and still make comments about what is fake and what is not. That's a P965 motherboard. Of course they will have problems with performance in crossfire.Quote:
Originally Posted by cefurkan
Bit-tech review also doesn't show any improvements in fps with cf in crysis (with X38 motherboard), and with hot fix installed any everything.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...eon_hd_3870/11
Could it be Vista?Quote:
Originally Posted by Krizby87
For ati:
32bit XP = Good
32bit XP & Crossfire = Very good
Vista & DX9 = bad
Vista & DX10 = very bad
Vista 64bit & DX10 = very, very bad
I've tested CF in Crysis both for XP x64 and Vista x32!
XP x64 and final Cat 7.11 - CF a bit slower than single card, but no image corruption
Vista x32 and HotFix driver - CF much faster, but image corrupted BIG TIME!
I'm waiting for a Crysis Patch + new Drivers :)
Watchout, the Vista guys will get you;)Quote:
Originally Posted by L7R
They don't know I'm only vulnerable to garlic ...and sunlight. :devil:Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Hehehehe!Quote:
Originally Posted by L7R
any more tests with Vista DX10? :D
Since Crysis is a NVIDIA "The Way It's Meant To Be Played" game, ATi doesn't get the source code they need to develop CF drivers until after the game is released... :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Krizby87
At least ATi releases drivers as quickly as possible, unlike NVIDIA...
As a consumer, does it really matter that whether this game is TWIMTBP so Nvidia has an edge in this game ? or which products offers the best performance/price on a wide ranges of games ? for a fan boy though TWIMTBP matters cause Nvidia is cheating because their developer relation team is doing their jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
...which is a farce though. Not seldomly i " :ROTF: :clap: " when most if not all problems in tech support threads of certain games that are "TWIMTBP", was from frustrated players with nVidia cards none from ATI's.
Typical ATI problem was the bad (or lack of) OpenGL support, supposedly fixed since Cat 7.1 (?) or so.
That reminds me: gonna check today if that's true!
EDIT: yes it is!
I recall reading that in the bit-tech reviewQuote:
Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
Actually, ive read somewhere, that ATI themselves have stated that they have been working with crytek since early production, so i wouldnt go that far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
Read the article here linkQuote:
Originally Posted by GAR
AMD has been buddy-buddy with Crytek for quite a long time, before FarCry days. While ATi wasn't sending anywhere close to the time and money Nvidia was giving to Crytek, they definitely did help A LOT with the engine and technologies needed to create it. I have seen two or three .pdfs in the past year - year and a half with both Crytek and ATi on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
Yepp, as soon as the on game adds came into play, this started happening. Maybe he has a problem using the link?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
I agree with both. There is more AMD could do but the Gamers market is small and just maybe they have other higher priorities.Quote:
The long of the short is that AMD believes that Nvidia is locking it out of the market with its TWIMTBP programme—something I’m sure Nvidia would disagree with—and that developers working with Nvidia often make it difficult for AMD to get access to code early enough to develop CrossFire drivers in time for a game’s launch. Whatever the case may be (I try not to get involved with the politics of this industry), I’d really like to see more CrossFire support out of the gate in as many of the big titles as possible - )Large BUT(-but I don’t think it’s just an issue for the developers to tackle. AMD’s driver and developer relations teams need to pull the strings on AMD’s side of the fence too.
Are you nuts?! The gamers market is huge! And a catalyst for upgrading hardware everytime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
The *but* part really doesn't flow with what he said earlier IMO. If ATI is saying they are "locked out" doesn't that qualify as them making the attempt to establish better relations with developers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Not the aftermarket cards that we buy LOL! OEM's still buy most of the cards and aftermarket is small when compared to it;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Unbornchild
Edit mine get here tomorrow and I might get a chance to install it on Wed Dec. 5th.
I don't think AMD/ATI is saying they're locked out. I'd think it was more like "Slowed Down" or "Held Back" and that they need a larger headstart.:down:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
Yes, establish better relations so they can get game code faster than beta like everyone else not named nVidia. But hey, maybe you're right ain't anything I know for sure.
ATi has gotten better with driver releases, but they need to do more each driver release...
I agree!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
It's great that they do a lot each driver release and release them as quickly as possible, but what they really need is more resources devoted to the drivers department.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
7 more days 2x Powercolor HD3870 PCS editon for review :yepp:
( then i post in xtremesystems reviews section):yepp:
:up:
when will 1GB 3870 come out??? me wantz!!! :D:D
Yepp, just what a friend and I were talking about the other day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
You and your friends need to talk about more interesting things :) .:ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Not when you have friends like mine LOL! Luckily they're not my only friends:)Quote:
Originally Posted by 96redformula7
Anyway, Video card drivers are just one small part. One guy who blamed ATI's drivers was convinced otherwise when he dumped Vista and went back to WinXP Pro. Not just Games but a bunch of stuff speeded up. His 3870, one of the first sold now rocks. Though it is not an 8800GT, his was $220 shipped. That's what spurred on the talk about drivers. The best Drivers in the world can speed that Pig of an OS, Vista (UE).
is there any chance for some software to pop up with the voltage control for the GPU (and RAM)? thnx
Well here is a single card. Drivers 7.11
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/3072/3dm06ama0.jpg
3DM06
I didn't change anything in ATI CCC or in 3DM (should I of?).
This is just 1 run and not an average. Will run 3 in a row in a min (is that best?).
I will try xFire in a bit when I have everything I need to set, set properly. I need your help for that though.
Do I change anything in CCC?
EDIT: My CPU is below and NOT the one submitted on Futuremark. No Idea why it has submitted like that :/
Fudzilla claims that AMD/ATI moved 125,000 3800's already: http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...4530&Itemid=34
Not bad if true, if they get all 500,000 out by the end of the year they'll have quite a bit of extra cash to float around (they were the only group in the green for AMD last quarter also)
Don't forget to let someone dump the bios while you're not looking. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
AMD will be in the black next quarter :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
(still have that nasty loan to pay off though)
I should get my VisionTech 3870 tomorrow. The Hub in IL shipped to the wrong City LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
I don't trust anything but common news from that guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
He was pretty correct with the G92 and RV670 info. He does get lots of things wrong but a lot of what he says has been true as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Common new he does get, the problems pop up when he tries to scoop everyone else. Like where's the Barcelona that had AMD engineers dancing in the isles?:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
Can't wait to get my 3870 tomorrow:)
Post benchies, you must.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
ordered two 3870 :D
I'm waiting for a test for coolers ;)
Wiil two 3870 work in crossfire on ASUS P5W DH Deluxe?
Yes they will. I had 2 X1900's running xfire on that board.Quote:
Originally Posted by malik22
yes
hello, anyone, don't tell me you don't know anything about this:
or does this has to be BIOS supported, I'm asking cause that was possible with the 2900XT, right?Quote:
is there any chance for some software to pop up with the voltage control for the GPU (and RAM)? thnx
Make and model of said ram would answer that question much quicker :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by marauder16
2900XT uses oc'able ram, that much we know.
ok RAM, but what about GPU, didn't 2900XT have an option for vgpu raising? (or did I understand sth wrong...)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
You're confused with ATI Overdrive. Of course that works on 38*0 cards as well.
review of 3870 using cf from legit review
source
Here are the IC's used
source
Samsung K4U52324QE-BC08 (hard to read from the previous photo)
Rated at 0.83ns (1200MHz)
Everyone with a 3870 should be obtaining at least 1200MHz with these ICs.
Note: it is Vista 64-bit. The Test System:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle
Quote:
The test system was running Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit with all available Microsoft updates including the hotefixes required for enthusiast video cards to run correctly.
NVIDIA Forceware 169.05 beta video card drivers were used on all of the GeForce series graphics cards except for the XFX GeForce 8800GT as it ran newer 169.12 drivers.
ATI CATALYST 7.11 drivers were used on the Radeon HD 3850, 2900 XT and HD 2600 XT graphics cards. All results shown in the charts are averages of at least three runs from each game or application used.
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...4543&Itemid=34
I was gutted when i clicked the link on this page for the PowerColor hd3870 512mb overclocked PCS for £140
Should have expected 0 stock lol.
Pretty damn good scores on Vista 64-bit w/ CF considering how bad multi-GPU setups on x64 Vista have been going. 2 3850's pretty consistently match or exceed the GTX and 2 3870s pretty consistently match or exceed the Ultra. I'm wondering if Quad-fire can keep up the scaling...
Mine still sucks playing call of duty 4 or if any AA is turned on, oh crap I should waited for the 8800GT:(
Even overclocked to C2D 3.2GHz, the video card was choked so bad, its game action stopped for 2 seconds LOL! It was not only a slide show at 1600 X 1050, it was a slow stop action slide show. Crysis did a little better but again, turn on either AA or AF it sucks again. I must admit though even at a low res 1024 X 768 the game looks better. I could set pretty high settings with HalfLife2 E2 but after CoD4 and Crysis its visuals look weak.
Yepp, please guys. Keep talking about CrossFire because it sucks to use one of these alone. I overclock some and FPS went 2fps, so I set it back to stock. I'm thinking about taking a loss and sending back or trading to someone looking for a 2nd card for CrossFire:(
I'd send it back and get one of the new 8800GT's (now with a bigger fan!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
hmm nice review from legit but i think im still going tot hold for the 9800 in feb
EH? With the latest cats, I am running Call of Duty 4 @ 1920 x 1080 at 4X AA with very smooth framerates on it overclocked to 860 / 1300. Something must be wrong with your setup. Either your PSU isnt up to snuff, or your overclock on the CPU / RAM is unstable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Crysis runs at 1680 x 1050 very nicely. I dont turn on AA as to me its not worth the fps hit when the game already looks great at the resolution and high on.
Filed under WTF was I thinking.:rofl: The one good thing might be that I bought from Best Buy so maybe i can take it back and at least avoid return shipping. The only difference between this thing the 18 and 1950 is at same same lower Res you can use higher details. Use a higher Res and then you have to lower details. Hi-Res lower details look worse than Lower (Not Low) Res with High Details.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
Oh, it loves HalfLife 2 E-2, Medal Of Honor Airborne also. But newer games like Crysis and CoD4 is one of the Reasons I got the card. I didn't have Higher expectations and would have been happy with playable Frame Rates. One week separated me from getting an 8800GT just bad luck:rolleyes:
Then to top it off, it doesn't have Video In. So no more OSD for my HK 247 Receiver:down: Must be something to do with HDMI that it supports. Last but not least Visiontek's Retail Card is nothing more than an OEM card in a Fancy Box.
Price cut? If this is worth its price, then the 3870 should be sold for about $179 LOL!
The card is quieter:up:
Dewd I'm running the 7.11 Cats yeah right, my rig has something wrong with it:clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmartini
Man stop trolling tons of people with the 3870 playing those games perfectley and you should try the crysis hotfix for crysis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Do you even know what Trolling is? Before you put your foot in your mouth again, why don't ask a question first? Like;Quote:
Originally Posted by malik22
You: Hey Donnie27, have tried the Crysis Hotfix?
Me; Yes I have the Hotfix installed.
Get it? Maybe I did do something wrong as a private Email from someone who knows me suggests. I'm open:P Now, would you like to try that or do you like coming off as a jerk trowing the Troll tag around? I bought this card to enjoy, not to belittle:rolleyes:
I had Zero SCP problems with my X-Fi, know a tons of others who haven't as well. So when the ones with problems complain, are they Trolls?:rofl:
All I can say is that I can run COD4 X4AA, everything else turned up at stock on a 3870 just fine, 1920 x 1200. This is on a Opty 185 at 3.1 and Vista 32bit. Maybe try re-installing your drivers as something is amiss
I'm thinking something is wrong too, now. I just wish folks would first try to be helpful before trashing out folks. Thank you for the advice without acting like the other guy:) I'm thinking I might not have removed one of the crtl apps or something. I tried it with my E6600 overclocked to 3.2GHz and then again at stock to make sure it wasn't throttling. If I get time to clean out EVERYTHING and anything named ATI, then re-install I'll report back.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilDoc
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
playing crysis at 1680x1050 with AA enable ???
Why???Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
do you think Crysis is playable with 8800GT with AA enbale at that resolution ???
BFG 8800GT 512Mb OC edition (with AA Disable @1680x1050) :
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/3986/crisssx5.jpg
Single Powercolor HD3850 256MB
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/191...glecardbe5.jpg
Crossfire Powercolor HD3850 256MB
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/615/crysiscfuq4.jpg
Btw: do you have the Crysis Hotfix Instaled????
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
ABout cod4 runs great even with a HD3850 256Mb , its one of the games where AMD/ATi cards (single & Crossfire ) runs better
SIngle Powercolor HD3850 256MB
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/6...ardnovojz5.jpg
Crossfire Powercolor HD3850 256MB
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/9...ossfireue4.jpg
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
All tests done with Windows XP 32-bit
maybe you have some problem with your system , you should chek that
regards
The simplest way is to just run Driver Cleaner / Driver Sweeper. Thats pretty much guarantees a clean out of all NV/ATI stuff. I havn't had problems in particular with my 3870, though I am using XP-32bit, which is probably ideal. I'm happy with my card and am not running crossfire either. Perhaps your stock clocked e6600 is your bottleneck?
I agree with you on VIVO Donnie, it certainly sucks that the 38x0 do not have it. My old x1900xtx had video input though :(. I checked Newegg and the 8800GTs do not support video in either. I guess its just the companies trying to get us to buy their seperate tuners :doh:
R U SERIOUS!!!?? I NEED/WANT VIVO! in fact that makes up a large proportion of y i decided going to get 3870... wth do i do now? *sigh*Quote:
Originally Posted by Miwo