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little comparison, you said there were like for example 128 factoriesQuote:
Originally Posted by LOE
but the truth is there are 64 factories which are just twice as big as before
(note,i dont say K10 has 64 SSE units btw,i can forsee that someone (inparticular) would quote this phrase and says that K10 doesnt have 64 SSE units,well duh )
Ok, mea culpa on that... the titles look suspicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by red
But i didn't link a blog i linked a article, and i stand for what i've said, after a week that went from K10 in Q2 at 2.4ghz unable to go further, to K10 in Q1 at 2.6Ghz to 2.4Ghz at lauch but just because AMD don't need more, that was a refreshing article.
LOL, love your logic. AMDs inability to raise clocks is turned into another hype from a fanboy.. Just like brisbanes performs better too right, thats why they are just to hit 2.7Ghz now while 90nm can do 3Ghz. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleZero
And if you cant see the site in questions uber AMD bias you are worse than all those together you call fanboys of another company.
An article or blog doesn´t matter if the writer is the same and using the same mentality all the way. But I guess its ok just to makeup all kind of things for the love of AMD. Lets just not hope it dissapoints as much as R600.
I cant wait till we see the actual product in action, besides at Computex.
Seems like
LOL, you win the fanboy award!
Because your brisbane and a few others doesn´t mean everyone clocks to the sky. Just like all C2Ds dont do 3.6Ghz. :ROTF:
And I´m sure AMD would have replaced their prescott style 3Ghz CPUs with 65nm if they could. But again, you seem out of educational reach. i wonder what your excuse will be when a 2.4Ghz K10 aint enough, unless specfp_rate is all you do.
Shintai,AMD needs other (90nm) fab up and running...I guess you can understand that,can you?
It means they use all they have and balance the product portfolio:90nm F3 for highest speed bins in A64 X2 and Opteron line,90nm F2 for mid range A64 X2 and single core line and 65nm for low-mid range(Bisbanes).
They do need the capacity for the K10 QC parts since the die size is quite large.
K10 dual cores will be much easier to produce and bin higher(even if it costs them some % in higher TDP specs)
I believe you mean to say "Just like all C2Ds dont do 3Ghz"Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Because every chip has a different wall
??? :confused: 1. Where does this arbitrary 2.4Ghz K10 number keep coming from? 2. Also, how do you go about talking about Q2 first, then going about to Q1? Word to the wise, Sci is delusional and can't keep facts and fiction apart and never cites his numbers. So I guess the point of the article was that Sci thinks that AMD doesn't "need" 2.6GHz. Or maybe AMD can't clock them high enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleZero
ok... I am not sure why the cooler part was thrown in as Shintai was talking about process performance I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleZero
informal, how long is their 90nm going to run? It seems like AMD will continue to pump out their fastest K8s on it even near the end of 2007 http://images.tomshardware.com/2006/...m_dualcore.jpg
And where is the evidence that AMD will make native dual K10 rather than disabled quads?
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http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=5078
[AMD Phenom Launch Schedule & Roadmap]
Nothing too new, but in a pretty chart.Quote:
* AMD targets Barcelona to launch in Summer 2007 and expects ramp in frequency and volume subsequently. We can expect low clocked Barcelona in August timeframe
* Phenom series to be launched in Nov-Dec with DVT samples in Sep/Oct timeframe
* Phenom FX AM2+ part called FX-80 in Q4 timeframe and TDP for the FX series are yet to be determined
* 45nm Deneb, Propus, Regor and Sargas STARS cores in H2 2008
* Single-core Lima has been removed from the roadmap so single-core Orleans will be replaced by dual-core Rana in Q1 next year. The mainstream segment will shift from single core to dual core by early next year
* AMD expects to provide next schedule update in July
If I recall correctly ,in one interview D.Mayer said 90nm production will last until the end of 2007.
And chart you linked shows a 6000+ at TDP of 89W in Q3 which is remarkable for the die size and clocks for that CPU on 90nm process.
I think, your example is a bit off. How would you explain the parallel addition of 2 64 bit doubles in those widened factories?Quote:
Originally Posted by GoThr3k
IMO a better analogy is the lock-step operation of two 64 bit mem controllers to build a 128 bit mem channel. BTW, "lock step operation" is even mentioned in an AMD patent regarding the new FPU.
They really physically added 64 bit capable copies of the original subunits of the FPU and even a somewhat narrower register file (which doesn't need to support 80 bit FP values). Thus it's very likely that SSE 128 works by additionally using those extensions to do the calculations of the upper half of the values in the SSE registers.
So actually all the terms "widened execution", "doubled units", "extended FPU" fit :)
Here is a link to Hans de Vries' page with a K10 die plot, which names the different units. Those of the original FPU are the same as on K8, which he described in detail in his often cited Opteron article.
http://chip-architect.com/news/2007_...us_Images.html
FASN8 wanted here :D
More NN BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
Show me a C2D that won't do 3GHz and I guarantee you it is because of a board limitation. Not the chip.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070621/ahead..._amd.html?.v=1Quote:
AP
Ahead of the Bell: AMD
Thursday June 21, 9:16 am ET
Advanced Micro Devices Shares Jump in Premarket Session After Analyst Upgrades to 'Buy'
NEW YORK (AP) -- Shares of chip maker Advanced Micro Devices Inc. jumped in premarket trading on Thursday after an analyst upgraded the stock, and suggested the company has regained market share from rival Intel Corp.
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Stifel Nicolaus analyst Cody Acree upgraded the stock to a short-term "Buy" from "Neutral," and set a $17 price target on it.
"We believe the first-quarter's underperformance was not representative of AMD's true end demand and that second-quarter revenue will likely recover a portion of first-quarter's shortfall," Acree wrote in a client note.
Acree also thinks the Sunnyvale, Calif., company has regained one or two percentage points of market share, and believes second-quarter sales will exceed the consensus estimate for 1.5 percent sequential growth.
In April, the company forecast second-quarter sales would be flat or slightly higher. Analysts expect, on average, a second-quarter loss of 85 cents per share on $1.25 billion in revenue,
AMD is scheduled to host an analyst day on Thursday, July 26.
AMD shares traded at $13.88 in the premarket session, up 24 cents from Wednesday's closing price of $13.64. Shares of Santa Clara, Calif.-based Intel traded at $23.91, down 3 cents from Wednesday's closing price of $23.94.
Um, isn't this the Barcelona thread?
Yes it is,but i didn't want to spam the News Section with this one since we are talking about AMD's fab resources and manufacturing,and this is closely related with that.Seems that 90nm fab produces quite competitive products to be fazed out just yet :)l
Wow, just after the analysts completely trashed AMD... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
I have to agree with Hector.Quote:
THE CEO of AMD, Hector Ruiz, made a speech at the Antitrust Institute's National Conference this morning in Washington, DC.
You will probably not be surprised that he hit out at Intel. He said in the keynote at the annual event that Google, Microsoft, HP and Dell all owe their existence "to the simple fact that competition replaced forced exclusivity" and allowed a variety of players to compete and succeed.
But, he said, HP and Dell are Chipzilla victims with Intel being "another monopoly that is systematically raising prices and slowing innovation and has done so unchecked for years. It's an old story by now, but still a dangerous one."
He said: "Intel uses illegal tactics explicity aimed at preventing customers from doing business with AMD." He cited the Japanese case, competition investigations by South Korea and the EU, and its own lawsuit in the States.
He said: "The IT industry is being held hostage by Intel - a fact that has detrimental effects across the board, and it has gone on for too long." Customers get hit by less choice and PC manufacturers depend on rebates and "must sacrifice their brand in favour of promoting Intel."
He alleged that tactics Chipzilla is using against the OLPC are "unethical" with Intel being "a monopolist wholly focused on protecting its market position regardless of the expense or harm to consumers."
Ruiz described himself as a businessman "who has seen and felt the pain of a monopoly run amok first hand." µ
You forgot to bold "suggested".Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Since the stock rose the demand did. So anyone checked who bought the stocks? If AMD is actually getting bought privately one by one. or maybe it was the not goign asset light announcement that trigged it.
Actually, there's a 2.8ghz capable e6600 chip for sale right now in the cpu/motherboard area. To get it to 3, the seller says you really have to give it juice.Quote:
Originally Posted by mstp2009
Ryan
Not gonna happen.Quote:
If AMD is actually getting bought privately one by one.
Yeah, the current batch of E6600s suck :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by FghtinIrshNvrDi
:shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
Perhaps could he offer the difference beetwen his salary and the one of Ottelini to the olpc project, this would be more than 39000 olpc for "poor" childs... (at actual 175$ price...)
... hypocrite (is it the coorect english word?)
No, a few others can do 3.2/3.3ghz with brisbanes, everyone can reach 2.9/3ghz... and that's 200/300mhz higher then a 2700mhz brisbane, just in case you can't do the math...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
A 2600mhz brisbane has been around since Q1, so yes it was really a problem for AMD to reach 100mhz more.
And just look at the TDP of the 2700mhz brisbane, so yes it cleary shows the problems AMD had to release a 2700mhz brisbane.
Yes i'm the fanboy here. I'm the one thread-crapping in Intel threads...
My excuse? What excuse? Can you quote me or link me for any excuse that i've made? Can you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Why should i make a excuse? Did you see me brag K10? Quote, link? Can you? You can't can you?
Here, i'll make two for you.
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Originally Posted by DoubleZero
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Originally Posted by DoubleZero
Those numbers came from 3 diferent sites in just one week, sites that are linked everyday on this forum, weird that you missed that, you seem so well informed, you got spec scores ready to use... weird selective info.Quote:
Originally Posted by red
They got nothing to do with that article, those aren't his numbers... if you read the post where is the link to his article, it's pretty obvious, and that obsession with the guy can't be healthy.
Was there any other possibility ? :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
What does hypocrite have anything to do with the difference between their respective salary? It is Intel who is trying bully and monopolize the OLPC market.Quote:
Originally Posted by nemrod
If you can't come up with proof that AMD had 2.4GHz roadmapped initially, changed to 2.6GHz, then back to 2.4GHz, or any proof that AMD has 2.4GHz running internally, I can only say that you are talking out off your *** and are more interested in flaming then discussing.
Are you for real? Why do you bother to try to argue with someone if you can even read?Quote:
Originally Posted by red
This is like twilight zone, I finished saying it was in three diferent sites, sites very often linked in this forum and this guy comes talking about "AMD roadmaps" and "running internally". I've said it like 3 times now, it's like blatantly obvious in the first post and this guy is acting like it was something i came up with.
The funny part or not, is that he got recent posts where he links to those sites... go figure.
AMD has 2.4ghz running internally? Where did i say what AMD has running internally? can you quote me on that? How could i know? i'm not the one saying that AMD is having problems in this and that when i got no way of knowing, that's a diferent guy...
I'm talking out of my ass? lmao quote please. Quote me where i've come up with numbers or whatever about K10. Please do that.
I'm more interest in flamming then discussing??
Has anyone prove the contrary? That it wasn't the more accurate, i've ask you to bring something to the table that was more close to reality and you were unable... I brougth a nice article to discussion, and this was your input:Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleZero
So who's flamming? I'm not even comment your ludicrous conclusion of the article.Quote:
Originally Posted by red
What's next? can't wait...
Scientia actually got things right.Pretty close at least.
I meant his tape out dates and perf. estimates verus the Penryn.
Fortune cookie?lol :)
ok im not gonna read all 22 pages but when is the release for this supposed to come out or the estimated date?
Same as the roadmap article from the Inquirer.
http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20070622PD217.html
AMD's family of high-end desktop CPUs Phenom (Agena) is scheduled to start appearing in November, according to sources at Taiwan-based motherboard makers. Four products are set to be available in 2007, which will be followed by 11 more during first quarter 2008.
AMD is planning to begin test-production on the CPUs between September and October in order to start shipping in November, said the sources. Of the four products to launch in 2007, one will be in the enthusiast Phenom FX range, the FX-80, two in the quad-core Phenom X4, the GP-7100 and GP-7000, and one in the dual-core Phenom X2, the GS-6550.
And AMD want the market by love of humanity...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mav451
So Intel is to blame for bringing competition into a market ? That's a new one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mav451
You might want to check reviews on the Classmate.
http://www.pcworld.com/printable/art...printable.html
http://www.trustedreviews.com/notebo...C-EXCLUSIVE/p1
You serious? Damn My e6400 from like a YEAR ago does 3.4 EASY. I run it @ 3.2 on silent air and I think stock volts (or just a tiny bump... haven't been in bios in months).Quote:
Originally Posted by FghtinIrshNvrDi
This is not a forum for bickering and announcing who you are/aren't ignoring. Next person I see vying for e-penis points is getting an infraction.
More bull*** talk from AMD fanpois. Link me ONE Core 2 Duo that can't hit 3GHz. I promise you that any C2Ds can hit 3GHz... these "limiations," I guarantee it's the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
Retail Celeron 420 @ 1.6GHz (Conroe-L) 106%+ OC on boxed cooler
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=148942
Don't confuse K8 for a C2D.:rofl:
i thought this thread was about K10Quote:
Originally Posted by Clairvoyant129
[QUOTE=GoThr3k;2272381]i thought this thread was about K10
QUOTE]
Fanboi-ism aside, you can't talk about one w/o talking about the other.
And when nn_step makes a BOLD FACED LIE about what a C2D can or can't do, that gives anyone here the right to correct him.
His comment was "useful" in that it set the truth strait on a lie.
alright alright, it was a bold statement
but now i see replies that go about OC of C2D and K8 instead of replies going about the topic title
is it that hard to stick to the subject?
how is the phrase all chips are unique and have different overclocking limits a lie?Quote:
Originally Posted by mstp2009
QFT ignore the fanboys, you made a statement that is true!Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
i.e.. "all chips are unique and have different overclocking limits" !!!!
damn people these days.:shrug:
From Perianders link:
http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/attachment....6&noupdate=yes
You didn't say that, you said, "Just like all Core 2 Duos can't hit 3GHz," which is obviously a lie. But you're right about all CPUs being different.Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
Are you guys done yet or you gonna waste up another page with this lame argue ?
Dud C2D's don't reach 3GHz so technically nn_step is correct. There are always chips that don't even make it into a PC at all & those won't hit 3GHz I guarantee you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clairvoyant129
Guys, this isn't being directed towards anyone in particular, but can we please steer away from the bickering and flaming? It's neither necessary or useful to anyone here.
Stay on topic from here on out. Consider this a warning for this thread.
An update on the desktop side.
http://shintai.ambition.cz/pics/amd-...unch-table.jpg
Besides the fact that they screwed up the HTT details... Sure...
so if that table holds any relevance Kumas over 2.4 GHz will have >65W TDP. dissapointing :down:
standart?Quote:
Originally Posted by LOE
X2 4600+ (2.4 stepping f3+ some f2): 65W
E6850 (3GHz): 65W
What about quadcore, if even dual are more than 65W?
complaining about a couple of watts...
you probably have a vid card eating about 200W,so 10W orso extra on the cpu won't matter much
QFT:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by GoThr3k
I´m sure GPU makers said the same thing when we had netburst, just the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoThr3k
what if i had 45W 2600XT, then the 10+W extra would had made difference in system power consumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoThr3k
but it´s not big deal, im just saying amd is fond of their efficiency, especially in idle or under semi load, which make sense, you dont stress cpu all the time. they often argument it as an advantage over intel and now new architecture 2.4+GHZ DC CPU´s are going to draw more than 65W.
i expected opposite direction but wont mind it if its a tradeoff for cracking performance. wonder if nortbridge running at higher clocks/voltages than cores has to do anything with it.
I wouldnt consider any info on Phenom that does not come from AMD all that reliable. I'd also like to remind you that AMD does not calculate TDP the same way Intel does.
Sun is apparently hoping AMD can manage to deliver 2GHz Barcelona parts:
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/r...ge_id=20775273
Latest hint at Barcelona clock speed range
http://www.wired.com/science/discove..._supercomputer
"Sun Microsystems announced today that its hardware will power the largest supercomputer ever built, weighing in with 62,976 CPU cores, 125 terabytes of memory, 1.7 petabytes of disk space, and 504 teraflops of performance."
At 4 DP FLOPs per clock cycle 504 TFLOP/s from 62,976 K10
cores works out to the remarkably round number of 2.0 GHz.
dont forget the tdp from amd is the MAX wattageQuote:
Originally Posted by dexman
what is a pc mostly doing? idling
in idle a K8 currently is even more efficient then a C2D
K10 kan lower voltage per core,lower the memory controller voltage, it will be more efficient in idle then any C2D if you ask me, i little higher max TDP or not
and when i look at the name of this forum, extremesystems,i dont think a lot of people will have a 2600XT here, but you are right offcourse
with such low power consuming cards,you have a little differenct picture
Oh hey, here is some info.
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40606
Its theinq, but if its true. Then it spells out major problems making their "native" core. price is high, performance seems low and wattage is way way up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Periander6
I'm not sure it's a good idea to post those kind of informations from inquirer.
high price, low frequency, high tdp alot to discuss if the informations was from a trusted source...
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Originally Posted by Periander6
http://www.tf.uni-kiel.de/matwis/ama...acl_gitter.gif
I don't know why you guys are complaining about prices of Barcelona series 2xxx. Probably you are comparing it with Single Socket C2Q or Single Socket Opteron?? I hoped everyone knows that for 2-way or 8-way CPUs you paying EXTRA!
BTW. For me launch price of slowest Barcelona is very good (low). Let me ask for comparison what was initial price for slowest C2D on launch (dual core)??
Well it's from Mike, not Charlie so I would actually regard it as more reliable than the usual crap from the Inq. Reliable at least in terms of the Sept 10 date and the speeds (1.9 and 2.0) to be introduced at that point as I suspect that is based on what they already have from a current stepping. The rest likely depends on an upcoming stepping and likely the product of more hope than certainty.Quote:
Originally Posted by nemrod
To be fair we're talking about DP and MP parts here, so the pricing is not that far out of line, really. Dunno about those TDPs though, not good if true.
right.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Since you know how K10 performs :rolleyes: :rofl: :ROTF:
and wattage seems good...
don't forget its quadcore you are talking about.....
95W 1.9Ghz K10, or 120W 2.4-2.5Ghz?Quote:
Originally Posted by GoThr3k
Or get a 50W 2Ghz Xeon? Or 3Ghz 120W?
Unlike you, I dont expect K10 to be the reincarnation of god on earth.
But seems we have to wait a few months yet for the final results.
unlike you i dont think it will be a piece of :banana::banana::banana::banana: .....Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
do you really think a 2GHz clovertown beats a 1.9ghz K10?
well i would bet on the K10
You're right, it's not so much, if we look on X2, the best lauch price was 537$Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
I believe this is about the same price. I would bet this is about the same performanceQuote:
Originally Posted by GoThr3k
Doesn't exist (1.86 GHz)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
no telling really. You have to take into account the server chips costing more, clocks are... meh. I wonder how it will perform. The PRICE is what I use to measure performance at this part of the game.
Perhaps compare to projected Q6600 prices?
Ryan
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7676
You should compare not the Q6600 but the Xeons to the recent INQ report.
Kevin Knox (vice president of AMD's commercial business)
Where do things currently stand with Barcelona? We're still on target for a midyear launch with Barcelona. We're actually pretty excited about the product, particularly with respect to some of the features that we're going to enable. When we started out with Barcelona, it had a certain feature set. From the time we started out, from the design perspective, the aspects we're going to address, things like virtualization and power, have become more important to the industry. We think its going to have a bigger impact than we originally anticipated.
http://www.computerworld.com/action/...ntsrc=hm_topic
Translated:Quote:
Originally Posted by PetNorth
Our K10 will use less power idle and perform better in a virtualized environment. Besides that we dont have anything to show.
But I guess this performs just aswell as the 2900XT GTX killer and the pricewar 100million parts uber performance 2600XT.
Oh ye, speedbumps is completely overrated. Now lets focus on something else.Quote:
Is Barcelona going to reverse AMD's recent losses in server market share? I firmly believe it will. A lot of that has to do with this not being just a speed upgrade. If it was just a speed upgrade ... it's a lot more challenging at any point in time to get an advantage and maintain that advantage.
truth is perceptionQuote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
a statement that you prove right every reply....
Using ATi designs to discredit AMD? Thats a really lame argument. And AMD didnt try to use false benchmarks and shady marketing to sell the HD2900XT at the highest price point. Instead they priced it very competitively. So much so that here in Greece its cheaper even than the 320MB GTS and about 50E cheaper than the 640MB GTS. I'd say that under those circumstances its a winner
Perhaps but you should probably read the full article :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by GoThr3k
No crap. I wonder what would happen if people just forgot about the R600 fisaco (since AMD didn't develop it - blame ATi) and re-thought how successful AMD could be without that negative thought of a product they didn't develop. I bet you enthusiasm for AMD might be higher...just some people get too wrapped up in speculation and rumors...it's depressing. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR
Okay, the thing is we don't know how K10 will perform yet. We've got speculated prices, frequencies, and TDP. Keyword: SPECULATED. Just because it's showed up somewhere, doesn't mean it's true. You know what speculation is for? It's purpose usually is to stir up :banana:
We all know how secretive AMD is when it comes to a product launch. We're not going to here anything from AMD directly for a while. I think we all know AMD needs to show us something, because all this speculation is killing them.
And the whole thing about R600, it's not AMD's fault. It was too far into design for AMD to have anything to do with it. The R600 does perform well, but power leakage seems the obvious problem.
Also, if you have the thought to bash AMD, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF. If you want to bash AMD, start a new thread, and have fun. Just don't do it here. We're discussing Barcelona/Phenom, not bashing.
Without AAQuote:
Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
Shader AA just isn't up to the task at the moment...Quote:
Originally Posted by red
so hes right without aaQuote:
Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
Guys, the R600 and Barcelona have nothing to do with each other besides the fact that both are released by AMD...
KEEP ON TOPIC!
http://forums.anandtech.com/messagev...readid=2065634
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary Key, AnandTech Editor
^^ hope it means there will be some benchmarks soon
i read the full articleQuote:
Originally Posted by nemrod
shintai only highlights the stuff he thinks is true.... and are the truth to him
if K10 will perform well,he will go nuts and will not believe it,thats for sure
if K10 performs bad, oh well, then this forum is doomed
because he will post everywhere that he was right,and he knew it all along
so for the sake of this forum, let K10 perform well
Feel free to post the part and highlights where you think the K10 will perform very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoThr3k
Instead of just complaining. Try something new and use something to argue with, rather that just the "blabla he suck because he dont think my dream company and favoured comapny wont wtfpwn everyone".
And forum doom if K10 performs bad? Oh my...you really think this forum turns around 1 company?
hehe, i guess my post was too difficult for you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
i buy what is best,i dont care if the brand is intel or amd,hell even there was a brand called Shintai i would buy it even if i dislike you
If K10 performs bad, you will post everywhere that you knew it all along, etc etc (damn i hate repeating myself)
the article says this
- Quadcore was not the problem,it was the combo of core enhancements and the transistion to QC
- nice virtualization and power usage features
- upgraded core so better performance
I presume that article also was too difficult for you....
you are the biased one, jumping the gun amd's K10 will perform bad etc,
i hope it will perform well, otherwise there will not be a lot of competition in the cpu market which is bad for (us minus shintai)
You should really get over your personal issues. Its getting bothersome and is degrading for the forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoThr3k
If you note, he is not happy to talk about direct performance. And remember he aint an objective view of it. His main focus on virtualization and powersaving features is the thing that worries me. If he had a "conroe killer" so to say, he would be all over the place talking about nothing cept high performance and regain market leadership.
And saying quadcore is not a problem, is a direct counterstatement against some of his own engineers. That said if they knew the MCM approach would be so approved as it did. they would never even have considered native quadcore due to the problems and issues with such a monolith design (283mm2).
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/V...118193,00.html
*Barcelona shipping in standard/low power are "planned for shipment for launch later this summer"
*Shipping in August for revenue, systems equipped with K10 in September
*"launch up to 2.0 Ghz"
*Higher frequencies in Q4
2Ghz..ouch...
Reminds me of the Opteron launch. Hope the IPC is as good as well, otherwise i dont see how AMD will be able to compete on the desktop
standard/low power at 1.9-2.0 means that's not the highest clock they could squeeze out of the chips.Quote:
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/V...118193,00.html
*Barcelona shipping in standard/low power are "planned for shipment for launch later this summer"
*Shipping in August for revenue, systems equipped with K10 in September
*"launch up to 2.0 Ghz"
*Higher frequencies in Q4
Though, this is server, most of us want the Desktop part, comming with "higher frequencies in Q4".
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/32702/135/
Their sources whisper 2.4,2.5 in Q4, matching the INQ's claims.
lol check this out
http://www.dailytech.com/AMD+to+Laun...rticle7890.htm
why the fing would i pay something thats weaker?? perform less while costs more ...Quote:
By Amiga500 on 6/29/2007 12:11:43 PM , Rating: 2
Sure, you might pay out the same bucks for a slightly slower system (in comparison with Intel) now...
But if AMD went under, what would you have to pay for a decent system next time out?
cuz i highly doubt a 1.9GHz K10 coss $320 in Aug/Sept (which is like 1 to 2 months later than Q6600's July price cut) will beat Q6600 2.4GHz which costs $266
That's an incorrect assumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by alayashu
In this case, power is not the limiting factor on the speed.
1.9 & 2.0 GHz parts will be released at 95W and 68W...
Then they await a new spin that resolves speed path issues to get to higher speeds.
This is a disaster for AMD. Notice they've dropped all rhetoric about outperforming Clovertown.
Now it is: 4 Barc cores will outperform 2 K8 cores by up to 40 to 70%. Big deal.
As for "customers demand low power parts", that's a lie, the reason they are launching those now is that they can't produce faster parts-- the parts run so slowly that many of them just happen to use little enough power to make the 68W bin.
The really funny thing is, they still have that "simulated performance benchmark" graphic on their site-- the one that assumes Barcelona will run at 2.6GHz.
Yeah, that guy is wacked. What is he, a communist? We're all supposed to buy AMD's underperforming parts to keep them alive? How about Hector uses some of his $16M salary instead? Or they sell off ATI for $3B less than they bought it for to raise cash?Quote:
Originally Posted by californian7856
yeah i mean i get his logic but thats totally idiotic ... we should buy AMD's cpu to keep em alive regardless how they perform ... u know thats what pisses me off .. X2 3800 costs like $400 during in Q2 2005 .. i was in the process of buying parts .. and that really pisses me off ... $400 for the cheapest parts of their dual core.. haha now they get what they deserve
and ur right, wtf should i pay u for ur crappy cpu when u, the CEO is making millions ..$ ?? and not making better CPU than competitor ...
hell, $500 is a bit much to spend for me
we can examine the logic behind that statement
2 possible scenariosQuote:
Sure, you might pay out the same bucks for a slightly slower system (in comparison with Intel) now...
But if AMD went under, what would you have to pay for a decent system next time out?
1. K10 beats Core 2 Quad in terms of performance/price in the $300 to $500 segment. in that case im happy to do that, i dont need u to tell me that
2. K10 losses to Core 2 Quad in terms of performance/price in the $300 to $500 segment. in that case im buying ur crap to save ur company?? no thanx
and i highly doubt he was thinking about scenario 1 as he said "if AMD went under".. why would AMD went under if AMD is winning??
"Now it is: 4 Barc cores will outperform 2 K8 cores by up to 40 to 70%. Big deal."
Those are handpicked benches. One is the outdated SPECfp_rate2000
http://i17.tinypic.com/2eq51k5.jpg and the other "OLTP" (usually they should specify if this is TPC-C or H) http://i16.tinypic.com/4d6wjmo.jpg
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1183...googlenews_wsj
http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/pro...629&ID=7108474
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/200...arcelona_2ghz/
"Mr. Allen estimated that the first versions of Barcelona still will be 40% to 50% faster than existing Opteron chips, which have two processors."
"We will be seeing a performance boost of 40-50 per cent above our highest frequency dual-core products that are available today," AMD VP Randy Allen told us.
Some calculating, the fastest 2P K8 can deliver 4*3GHz=12GHz. 45% (40+50/2) faster than that would be 17.4Ghz. Divided by 8 K10 cores=2.175GHz. 2.175/2=8.75% IPC K10 advantage?
red,why you use 8 K10 cores in calculation?
edit:ahh i see you used 2P for K8.