you checked eva's count yet heheQuote:
Originally Posted by T_M
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you checked eva's count yet heheQuote:
Originally Posted by T_M
join date
nuff said
:fact: ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by T_M
Checksum are for edited images... and chopping is jsut one of the ways of cheating... tons of apps would make it to run faster, and those records are pretty suspicious... at least
As said some pages before, it remembers me of the ACPI tweak from Mr. Rocha and Ricky. But again, that was for 3d only.
By now, I think we had enough flaming, and now we should wait until someone of the XS community to get an explanation from them.
Coolaler is somehow new to me... OPB has been kicking asses and breaking records since those good old times when no one could take over OPP on his 3dmark scores...
We still have to wait their response. And KEEP respecting them, until anything is proof.
;)Quote:
Originally Posted by T_M
lol tim, seems im even "quieter" than you
then I change this WR for 9.016, while we await news :)
Great job , it's even better after you work.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertShooter
You can see clearly on the 12.734, the last loop is as clear as the others , darks pix are at the same place than previous loops.
On the 8.9 the last loop is so different than the others.
Now i stop, just make your own judgement :fact:
Excellent calculations, Professor!
Who will be the first to have 8.999s and less? :D
Italian Team? Japan Team?
soon
Well said Pal. I certainly wouldn't tell EVERYONE about a new tweak or a new way of doing something, straight away. Nah... not for a few months. And if I read this thread... well never!Quote:
Originally Posted by HermS
Its like a hidden recipe... How the hell do Coca Cola make the flavor such that "You can't beat the feeling". Well just like Ferrari and Renault (in an example previous), no one has to share.
But I can understand perfectly the analytical side to it.
Seems like if you're not scamming and faking your own death, someone else is cheating at the benches... or just gone plain mad like Tapakah. :rolleyes: Curious times.
:toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by riptide
Finally some people with a mature mind in here. Now, these people said it all in two posts, so tell me, what are the other 20+ pages about?
Thanks Rip,Quote:
Originally Posted by riptide
If I had a tweak, I'd share it with my close friends/team members and if it came down to it I'd drop hints to the general public to get them on the right path to find the tweak themself, but full on disclosure is a big ask. I fully believe that putting the work in yourself and earning the better scores rather than being handed them on a plate is what it's all about.:cool:
As far as scamming and what not, well it's the nature of the net... The anonymity damn near encourages people to take liberties they wouldn't dare try on in real life or face to face.
I dunno, I think we're getting to the point where we need some kind of official independant adjudicator for these matters, not self appointed Lords of the OC'ing world... Clearly self regulation just isn't working.
The problem with this idea that you do not have to share your tweak with your peer group is that unless you do then the peer group cannot decide whether it is acceptable or not.
Here you have a tweak that cannot be judged, so it obviously has that failing and so at the end of the day it loses it's validity.
Regards
Andy
Nice...Quote:
Originally Posted by elmor
Or no
When suspicion is raised, and the "supects" refuses to make any statement what so ever, doesn't that add even more suspicion? Some of you are only trusting the integrity of opb and cool, and not seeing the facts. I know some renowned members are saying that opb should share his tweaks, but that isn't neccessary. The only thing he needs to do is give us video evidence.
I can understand that if they did not cheat, they might get offended by this thread, and therefore doesn't want to post at XS anymore. But they could've at least sent a PM to FUGGER or sth.
But, I read a few pages back what OPB had written over at the OCX forums... LoL, can't see how any of you can take him seriously after that (if those were in deed his words).
Yeah I understand what you mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
The only solution I can think of would be to have a panel of knowledgeable, impartial and trustworthy guys that could review these secret tweaks or techniques, cast judgement on them and then keep the secret tweak to themselves afterwards. An official governing body in a sense.
It's a pipedream really, I can't see enough people ever agreeing to get an official body like that sorted out, plus the vast majority of the folks that do know enough about benching to cast that sort of judgement are also competing for records themselves so impartiality would always be in question.
It's an impossible situation for all sides.
Maff
Noone wats to know their tweaks...
We just ask them to show us a fully optimised bench at spi over 5GHz with a camera.
If OPB made 8.906s à 55xxMHz, he can do 9.xxs à 5000MHz.
And I don't think he is capable to do that...
I think the best option was what was proposed before - submit the tweaks to the HWBOT admins, and see what they think of the tweak, as obviously neither of our most honourable benchers feel that XS admins and mods are worthy enough :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by HermS
Nono we don't need their tweaks. We would like to see him during a bench... To see if he is really far better than us or if his previous results were bugs, cheats or fakes as you want.
:horse: :horse: :horse: :horse:
Isnt the discussion done here until a video is submitted?
YES!!! sub 10s @ 5ghz and sub 9s @ 5.5ghzQuote:
Originally Posted by filmbot
Exactly :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by andre X_X
This is a loooongg thread!
I wanna ask, for those of you in the know of the 'accelerator', how many methods are there? 2, 3, more? Is it capable of manipulation to any degree, to even accurate flawless scores, or will there always be abnormalities?
Most on SPi now, said to work with 3D Mark. How about in that? Will results be abnormal as well from the fps, or is it capable of manipulation to legitimate degree? What will happen when one actually run 3D Mark? The FPS counter shows big numbers but 3d mark runs real slow?
In short, can this 'acelerators' be used flawlessly or will there always be abnormalities?
All I can say is that software that changes the speed at which the Windows clock run has no effect on both Superpi aswell as 3DMark. Superpi has it's own internal clock and all 3Dmark versions have one too, or some other thing that prevents this way of cheating. Cheating by changing the windows clock has been known for a long time, that's why Superpi mod has it's own timer and 3Dmark has protection too. Maybe there is a new way to manipulate the internal clock though, I don't know. If you can manipulate the internal clock it is possible to "speed up" Superpi in steps as small as 0.001%.Quote:
Originally Posted by LardArse
I haven't put much time in finding ways to cheat in Superpi, but there must be many ways......For example I think I decompiled the original Superpi once (can't remember for sure). Don't know if the new Mod-version has better protection against this :confused:
There are various speed hacks that will work universally it seems....each has a different method with speedup accuracy....
Is it possible to get the exact score you want? If it doesn't have a setting for an exact speedup ratio you want, you can just set the ratio higher and downclock or unoptimize.
This applies to 3D as well, but in 3D fortunately, most of the scaling comes from GPU power, not CPU....so faking a 6GHz CPU over a 5GHz CPU, will get you an extra 20% in score with the speed hack, we all know that unless GPUs are clocked up, as well as FSB and RAM, that 20% would not nearly happen in real life.
If you're smart about it, I could see these accelerators being used flawlessly, but in 3D, that will be difficult. In SuperPi, it doesn't seem to be that hard.
aye but 06 is so cpu bound in SLI, you just need watercooled gpus and prolly a 5.2GHz QX6700, you'll have insane GT1/2 scores to make up. Not greedy i just want 5.1GHz Kentsfield :D
so let's say i manipulate to 5.1GHz, will it run like a 5.1GHz processor?
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Originally Posted by hipro5
It's a shame that what should be a useful abbreviation for japanese was used as a slur (from WW2 on?) but that's the case, so yeah. Saying it is no good.
That said... I havent even bothered looking at system clock in bios for years (is it even still there?) but windows USED to be able to tell system clock what was what... so yeah. Unless that has changed, if you can hack windows clock, you can hack system clock. It wont be realtime, but it will be close enough (sub1ms) that no x.xxxxs could tell any difference. But I don't know how cpu-z works... I cant think of anyway to prevent that kind of hack, but I'm no expert on the subject by any means. I'm just a guy who would forget to adjust bios clock and wind up doing it via windows.
LoL this is starting to remind me of the time I noticed that if I cleared cmos, loaded windows and started prime, then set clock I could prime for several years in a matter of seconds. :P
Well it's 10+ years you can freeze an app and read/modify whatever var you want inside it, just need the right app.
Just put back a little bit the internal clock every step and you got a perfect wr really hard to catch.:woot:
Oh oh oh oh oh... Merry Christmas... and that's about 5 months that i talk for nothing....
PallMall's avatar confuses me and quite frankly I am tired!
If the mechanical judges are not up to the job then it will be up to the humans to catch them out like you did before.Quote:
Originally Posted by LardArse
At least with 3dmark we have 4 benches to judge on and someone putting up a score in one is likely to have to put up a score in some of the others and then will maybe make a mistake in how the cpu / gpu dependency on different runs and games differs. Maybe it is too difficult compared to one simple SuperPi run ?
Since the post earlier where you caught out Coolaler with the 6800U how many times have you, as a top 3d overclocker, caught someone out ?
Regards
Andy
Exactly. People make millions of secure transactions on the Web every day via SSL. There has got to be a way to do this. All these supposedly Xtreme people here you'd think someone would want to step u and be an Xtreme Legend like Franck and make an invaluable piece of software. :stick:
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Originally Posted by szukalski
As Andy said, we have more benches to base judgement off of, and can compare them as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by LardArse
If you manipulate to 5.1GHz, from say 3.4GHz, everything will run exactly 50% faster. Even more GPU-bound tests. In the case of a 3.4GHz QX two well cooled/clocked 8800GTXs, it will be easy to spot because the GPU-bound tests will be much too high.
If I learned anything from these 22 pages, is that it's a good way to waste the morning...
One thing that stands out I don't understand and people keep saying, I don't think we need "to have the tweak"(if it exsists). There are other ways to provide proof that it's a tweak not a cheat without surrendering the tweak.
These are artifacts that can come from JPEG compression. Different software, different original image and different quality levels all cause artifacts.Quote:
Originally Posted by misteroadster
Can we please close this silly discussion about the grey pixels?
You will NEVER be able to take a digital image and be sure it is not a fake. This is pointless.
I completely agree. Heck, even same software, same compression algorithm, but putting the text up or down a few pixels relative to the compression grid can cause different artifacts.Quote:
Originally Posted by uOpt
Please drop the photoshop cheat talk....there's literally no way to prove or support it. If a cheat were to happen, it would likely be with a speed hack anyway.
Everyone knows that only I have the photoshop skills to pull off a hack like that anyway.
lol, you didn't even bother to take out the little pieces left from the red circle
Please stop the photoshop talk....that does nothing for the thread. :shakes:
PallMall, that's an old question....does it mean anything? IDK, but if you look at loops 18 and down, the numbers are okay....seems to be a small bug/instability.
Coolalers loop 19 is indeed impressive. I compared it to Hipro's latest run: Coolaler was behind on loop19, but managed to do 9s flat, while hipro got 9.022Quote:
Originally Posted by PallMall
The initial value and output need to be very good to have a WR, basicly, those are the two that you need to tweak :) (as said by OPB once)
Yes I agree, when things have been bought into question it is best to question everything even if it does not spread light on the matter in hand as it might point to something elseQuote:
Originally Posted by PallMall
However, we have not had any answer to the graph on the first page never mind the subsequent AMD28GP abnormality so peculiarites with the last loop of SuperPi will have to stay down the pecking order I am afraid.
To be honest this thread I feel is about to come to a close. Lots of good info has been posted and you can make your minds up one way or another.
Regards
Andy