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05-16-2007, 03:06 PM
DilTech

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Originally Posted by bloodbanger

2950?First of all:Who says this one isn't going to be delayed either?And 2nd:i'm not willing to pay 600 bucks for a card;) ,i mean i do have a life when i'm not sitting at my pc,lol

Then go with the 8800GTS... Hands down.
05-16-2007, 03:16 PM
bloodbanger

Quote:

Originally Posted by DilTech

Then go with the 8800GTS... Hands down.

Perhaps you're right...It's a shame though,i really set my hopes for the R600 and what happens?Lots of issues,and not only driver-related...:( ...Too bad,my heart always belonged to ATI,and i really hope they manage to sort all those things out...:stick:
05-16-2007, 03:16 PM
ahmad

I think the R600 would be a better investment. Nvidia has already released the magic drivers for the g80, but we have yet to see it for r600.
05-16-2007, 03:21 PM
dragonhunter

Hey guys,

I just installed the HD2900XT and loaded the driver from ATI website and this unknown device show up. I only have X-FI as a PCI but already loaded the driver for that.

Any fixes? thanks
http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/6127/untitledru4.jpg

PS : The Driver CD with the card didn't even work....
05-16-2007, 03:25 PM
v_rr

Quote:

Originally Posted by DilTech

8800GTS, no questions asked. It leads in pretty much everything once you enable AA. Check out just about any review and they'll tell you the same. Also, the HD 2900XT is not "more future proof", just to letcha know. It's not really 320 shaders, and due to how AA works, it won't be able to use it's extra bandwidth thanks to how it handles MSAA resolves, because it's using the shader hardware to handle it, which means it's using shader clock cycles for AA and taking a performance hit even with it's massive bandwidth.

WTF are you talking about? The HD 2900XT gets smoked with AA. :confused:
http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4946
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2988
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==

DriverHeaven, which is known to be "very ati friendly" even stated that they cannot recommend the card to anyone.

You may want to read up on what you preach on.

1- There are lots of bugs with AA.
2- You get the worst review that you found. 20 other review don´t say that, also as new reviews with new drivers just show HD 2900XT being far far away better the 8800GTS.

That king of propaganda you are doing don´t make any sense.

Everyone says that drivers are bugy and there is a lot of room to improve and you stand here and say the oposite. The bad part is that you even don´t have the card, you only look to some review and some things mos of them just Fud.
If the people who have the card point in many reviews that drivers can improve things a lot, why the hell you say the oposite when you don´t even have the card to test it :slapass:

The good part is that in 1 week when Cat. 7.5 gets oficial relesase and reviews get updated the performance will improve were it should be improved (in those games with bugs).

A more recent review:
http://www.matbe.com/images/biblio/d...0000057014.png

http://www.matbe.com/images/biblio/d...0000057013.png

http://www.matbe.com/images/biblio/a...0000057006.png

other:

http://www.hardware.info/nl-NL/produ...F00/benchmark/

http://www.hardware.info/nl-NL/produ...F00/benchmark/

http://www.hardware.info/nl-NL/produ...F00/benchmark/

http://www.hardware.info/nl-NL/produ...F00/benchmark/

http://www.hardware.info/nl-NL/produ...F00/benchmark/

http://www.hardware.info/nl-NL/produ...F00/benchmark/

http://www.hardware.info/nl-NL/produ...F00/benchmark/

http://www.hardware.info/nl-NL/produ...F00/benchmark/
05-16-2007, 03:27 PM
GLENBOY

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragonhunter

Hey guys,

I just installed the HD2900XT and loaded the driver from ATI website and this unknown device show up. I only have X-FI as a PCI but already loaded the driver for that.

Any fixes? thanks
http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/6127/untitledru4.jpg

PS : The Driver CD with the card didn't even work....

the driver on the cd has all the hdmi audio stuff on ( which is the pci device and the unkown) which the 8.37 one which you download hasn't its just the basic driver so you'd be better uninstalling your existing drivers and using the cd ones fiest or borrow someonelses cd i did the same
05-16-2007, 03:33 PM
cadaveca

that would probably be the vivo and the audio.

Hey DilTech, you got one of these cards? If not, don't comment. I have one, and have been playing ALOT of different games on it...they all seem ot perform better than x1950Crossfire. Don't try to tell me that a 320mb GTS is better than x1950crossfire, I know better firsthand!
05-16-2007, 03:43 PM
DilTech

Quote:

Originally Posted by v_rr

1- There are lots of bugs with AA.
2- You get the worst review that you found. 20 other review don´t say that, also as new reviews with new drivers just show HD 2900XT being far far away better the 8800GTS.

That king of propaganda you are doing don´t make any sense.

Everyone says that drivers are bugy and there is a lot of room to improve and you stand here and say the oposite. The bad part is that you even don´t have the card, you only look to some review and some things mos of them just Fud.
If the people who have the card point in many reviews that drivers can improve things a lot, why the hell you say the oposite when you don´t even have the card to test it :slapass:

The good part is that in 1 week when Cat. 7.5 gets oficial relesase and reviews get updated the performance will improve were it should be improved (in those games with bugs).

So you post numbers from unknown sites to refute very well known trusted sites? Don't you find it odd that only these unknown sites show better numbers for the HD 2900xt?
05-16-2007, 03:44 PM
dragonhunter

Can someone upload for me the Driver CD that came with the card. My Driver CD is NOT readable, I am so bad luck. Thanks a bunch
05-16-2007, 03:48 PM
bloodbanger

Wouldn't you think if there really was a 2950XT/XTX,there should be some kind of confirmation about them??I mean,the first messages about the R600(2900XT)started in february 2006....
05-16-2007, 03:52 PM
cadaveca

Quote:

Originally Posted by DilTech

So you post numbers from unknown sites to refute very well known trusted sites?

Your "trusted" sites are in it for the money, where as the others...not so much. So yeah, to me those numbers hold more weight. Especially when they match what I am getting myself...
05-16-2007, 04:05 PM
Noobie

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Your "trusted" sites are in it for the money, where as the others...not so much. So yeah, to me those numbers hold more weight. Especially when they match what I am getting myself...

I see in the Lost Planet thread you have some good drivers. Can you bench NeverWinter Nights 2? It's another ATi gets crushed by NVIDIA game, plus the game is ow so darn hard to get good FPS on.
05-16-2007, 04:05 PM
Soulburner

Quote:

Originally Posted by bloodbanger

Wouldn't you think if there really was a 2950XT/XTX,there should be some kind of confirmation about them??I mean,the first messages about the R600(2900XT)started in february 2006....

No, because that will make some people hold off and wait, and they need these to SELL. Creating more hype about the next card will only hurt their sales.
05-16-2007, 04:08 PM
cadaveca

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noobie

I see in the Lost Planet thread you have some good drivers. Can you bench NeverWinter Nights 2? It's another ATi gets crushed by NVIDIA game, plus the game is ow so darn hard to get good FPS on.

Sure, I'll install it right now. After I eat my dinner I'll see how it does.
05-16-2007, 04:23 PM
bloodbanger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soulburner

No, because that will make some people hold off and wait, and they need these to SELL. Creating more hype about the next card will only hurt their sales.

Yeah,i can understand that,but on the other hand:Don't you think what's happening right now wouldn't hurt their sales either???
05-16-2007, 04:32 PM
Eastcoasthandle

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragonhunter

Hey guys,

I just installed the HD2900XT and loaded the driver from ATI website and this unknown device show up. I only have X-FI as a PCI but already loaded the driver for that.

Any fixes? thanks
http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/6127/untitledru4.jpg

PS : The Driver CD with the card didn't even work....

Please install the original driver disc that comes with the video card and see if it will auto update. If not do a search on the disc. Also, if by any chance you have a P5W DH Deluxe the unknown device maybe resolved by inserting the original cd from that MB. It will auto start and the "unknown device" will disappear. Again, that's if you have a P5W DH Deluxe and it's a MB related device.
05-16-2007, 05:03 PM
mascaras

thats the WDM driver

regards
05-16-2007, 05:33 PM
dragonhunter

THank you all, the problem is fixed using the Driver CD. Somehow it ran so I copied to my USB Drive for future use if needed.
05-16-2007, 10:01 PM
Zytek_Fan

If AMD/ATi can get the leakage issues sorted out, then R600 could be the monster it was supposed to be.
05-16-2007, 11:18 PM
KTE

Stephane Matbe is a known trusted guy, not some unknown guy. He is fully credible, more than most reviewers out there who have corp affiliations and display favoritism. He might even be around to comment but he's done a very good job of reviewing the card, better than a lot of the nV fanboys or site hit gainers did by far (ahem foolish Genmay *cough* I mean [H]).

There IS a driver release coming that is "said" to sort many performance lags out.

Thanks for posting it v_rr. :D
05-17-2007, 12:00 AM
KTE

Quote:

Originally Posted by DilTech

Hope you got LN2 if you want to attempt clocks like that...

Watercooling is what that should say. :)
05-17-2007, 12:20 AM
Sumanji

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Originally Posted by Shintai

I think some people got too high hopes for the drivers... lets face it, R600 is a bummer getting replaced by R650 in 2-3 months.

They both use the same architecture, so whatever software improvements they make for R600 will most likely benefit R650 as well and that's pretty good incentive to develop better drivers right ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

That smells so much of fake it hurts. Also look where the PWM should be...where is it :rolleyes:

It's right there under a long silver heatsink... look properly next time :rolleyes:
05-17-2007, 12:44 AM
Shintai

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sumanji

They both use the same architecture, so whatever software improvements they make for R600 will most likely benefit R650 as well and that's pretty good incentive to develop better drivers right ;)

It's right there under a long silver heatsink... look properly next time :rolleyes:

I hope R650 is more than just a shrink. I believe its more in the area of R520->R580 with architectual fixes. And specially the AA engine needs a big fix in R600.

The PWM is misplaced then. Kinda odd for boards that should be equal yes? Also you forgot to comment the conflicting fan blades.
05-17-2007, 12:48 AM
Shintai

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sumanji

They both use the same architecture, so whatever software improvements they make for R600 will most likely benefit R650 as well and that's pretty good incentive to develop better drivers right ;)

It's right there under a long silver heatsink... look properly next time :rolleyes:

I hope R650 is more than just a shrink. I believe its more in the area of R520->R580 with architectual fixes. And specially the AA engine needs a big fix in R600.

The PWM is misplaced then, in best case it can be cooling the 7 transistors infront of the PWM. Also you forgot to comment the conflicting fan blades.

Then add the image quality of the coolers and cards look differently. And that the power connector for the fans aint connected to the card either.
http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/3...ay0704lte3.jpg

I could be wrong, but it sure is suspicious.
05-17-2007, 12:55 AM
Sumanji

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

I hope R650 is more than just a shrink. I believe its more in the area of R520->R580 with architectual fixes. And specially the AA engine needs a big fix in R600.

I highly doubt it will be anything that major; mainly because AMD can't afford to waste time doing this. It will be shrunk so that the clocks can be ramped greatly without power/heat issues. AMD will compete with 8900 using brute force because it's easier ;)

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The PWM is misplaced then. Kinda odd for boards that should be equal yes?

No it's most probably not misplaced either. Read this.

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Also you forgot to comment the conflicting fan blades.

That's because they don't conflict. Draw some circles on the pic in paint if you can be bothered to confirm you're wrong.

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