I think you need to talk with Luka_Aveiro about the nervous breakdown that you both had. Talking always helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
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I think you need to talk with Luka_Aveiro about the nervous breakdown that you both had. Talking always helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
We shouldn't compare 5870 with GTX 295. these are 2 different generations, after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by purecain
Even if GTX 295 could match the performance of 5870, it will be a looser in heat, power usage. Don't mention the DX11 and ...., there is no doubt that 5870 is much better, and it is the way it spoused to be with a new generation specially these with less nm cards
oh i think i understand you very well, but tbh, i couldnt care less why you post those hilarious comments :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
big baseless claims... like what?
pickle surprise? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by FischOderAal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgWn7zbgxZ4
did you guys see the tsmc yield news from digitimes?
0.1-0.3 errors per square inch? fermi = ~ 1square inch...
so every 3-10 fermi chips there is one error? then yields would be 70%+ for fermi and 90% for rv870... weird huh? i wonder if he just made that number up or if he misunderstood it... maybe 0.1-0.3 errors per square millimeter?
that would mean 2-8 errors per fermi chip, on average... and around 1-3 errors per rv870 chip on average... nah thats too much, right?
weird...
At least you admit to trolling. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
They are on the market at the same time, 'nuff said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
Jesus, what the...Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Wow, you're a smart guy :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by LesGrossman
Keep contributing
LOL, that's because the replacement is delayed, and that's why we are here. But last generation is usually a kind of hot and power hungry crap compared to the new one, specially when a die shrink separates them, 'nuff said' .Quote:
Originally Posted by FischOderAal
Where the **** did you get the picture of my son and who the **** gave you permission to plaster it on the internet???Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
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Just kidding. :D But I hope I made my point. It should be illegal to do that siht, unless of course he's your son!
and I was about to BRACE FOR EPIC....Quote:
Originally Posted by flippin_waffles
It could mean square centimeters......Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
Linky
:ROTF: your point was that he doesn't know how to code efficiently :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
my link disproves your point;Quote:
his genius is completely wasted on getting "ok-good" graphics on consoles... im not even sure hes good at that, hes good at pushing graphics to the limits, not on getting the job done with the least possible resources...
Yeah, right, so a card that is supposed to be much more expensive to make than 5970 and that is expected to be faster as well will be $200 faster?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
Seriously, don't get your hopes high, everyone and their grandmother knows that Fermi will not come cheap.
Some games with heavy texture mods (and some aero sims I think). But you have a point, no doubt. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by jmke
No way GTX470 is going to be higher clocked than GTX480, just look at 5870 and 5850...Quote:
Originally Posted by Your_Boss
ROFL! Hilarious! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by -Sweeper_
More like a multiplatform one, like all of them these days. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jmke
And Carmack promised that PC gamers won't be disappointed as usually! :yepp:
Source or it didn't happen...Quote:
Originally Posted by xdan
Any proof? I am hoping for a simultaneous launch. ID and Bethesda haven't failed to satisfy before.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmke
From the first pics it seems to be as long or a bit shorter than 295.Quote:
Originally Posted by fiskov
Why not? They are both for sale right now, and every person interested in buying a graphics card right now should consider all options. GFX295 isn't bad at all, especially if you're a fan of PhysX, CUDA, 3D or crunching. Or an ATI driver hater...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
Are you on a misson to annoy certain posters or something? This is all I see you doing in this thread...Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
No, I'm only laughing at stupid (?) people posting hilarious stuff ( "GTX 470 performing better than the GTX 480" is the best until now :D )Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
where did you get your pricing on gpu dies? each wafer can fit roughly 94 dies and costs $5000. if fermi get's 40% yield it's $131/gpu. at a similar defect rate, ati would get roughly 70% yield which is about $48/gpu. Add in extra cost for PCB of fermi needing more memory chips, wider bus, more connections, etc...you end up with well over $100 more per complete card.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/prin...-analysis.aspx
If the price was up to the producers, a GPU would cos 5 times more, because these guys are "businessmen" and never get enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
The price is more impacted by the competition then the production-cost or producer-desires. It is all based on a simple rule, demand and availability. A competing ATi card will reduce the demand and price, it is a simple rule that apply to all products.
A good example on how this works:
ATi had no competition for 5x-series. You take a look at the 5790-prices and compare it to 4870x2-launch price and tell me why it is so much more?
$50 difference isn't too much... $599 MRSP vs $549 MRSP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...ard/4870x2.jpg
You're, on the other hand, proposing ground breaking pricing.
48 ROPs has been known for a while now. :clap: And clock speeds from 600-650MHz is very reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
I've been proposing the top dog for $499 (if ATi puts up competition), so actually I'm proposing the same difference, but the opposite way.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
Because there's no competition atm, and whichever company has the advantage it's the consumers that always get screwed, usually willingly though :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
Ram prices are higher, and the cores cost more to make. The price will drop, but only if ATI are forced to do so, why drop they price when they aren't even overstocked?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo
News here :
http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-l...mate/8496.html
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The price rumours pegged the Geforce GTX 470 at $499, with the GTX 480 rumours varying between $599 and $679.
Read more carefully behrouz :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by behrouz
This 's no newz at all, this article just says that the prices you have given are totally illegitimate :
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"NVIDIA and our launch partners have not released pricing or pre-order information yet. Any Web sites claiming to be taking pre-orders should not be considered legitimate."
Exactly, and they have a tendency to get extra greedy without a competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by insurgent
ATi kept the supply of 5x-series just under the marked demand, because there was no competing nVidia GPU that could fill the vacuum for high-end GPU. ATi had the opportunity (and all those good reasons, including bad yield :p:) to keep the supply at the desired level for marketing-department.
Therefore the real retail-prices ended up way over MRSP. I was considering to get a 5970 at that time, but couldn't find anything under $700 in stock for a long while.
ati did have alot of problem at first.... maybe it is possible that its the later.... 2-8 error per fermi chips...Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
id like to have real numbers on those.. but nvidia will never release those info :(
A 40 nm wafer is more expensive than a 55 nm wafer, hence the pricing difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_oslo