Phenom 9500 w/ MSI K9A2 Platinum

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Originally Posted by dr_drache

no benchmarks that i can post, but i KNOW that i was getting near 1900 in the winrar test, it was stock running, no matter what i tryed. switched because I saw that a 790FX chipset may be better for me for tweaking (kinda irked about lack of SLI, but i'll live) love love this crosshair sitting on my desk :P

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It should be a little better for RD790. Check here, this is what you should be getting at stock (end): http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1215

On X64, it should be more because X64 has access to higher memory bandwidth. Recheck that CPUZ 1.44.1 is reading dual channel. Post your Memset latencies next time you run it too. What WinRAR shows is essentially your memory bandwidth.

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i'll look into it, not really looking into formatting again, will if it needs it. will attempt to build a new iso with vlite, see if i can get a promise raid driver intagrated right this time. as soon as i decide on the format, i'll switch back to trying P0H.

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i think i may got an issue, my 0xc0011023 doesn't match

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Copy all the register EDX and EAX but for the 22. Change that to 20 and writeMSR for each core. Check multi-threaded and make sure something else is not heavily taking up your memory.

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UPDATE #2 : flashed 113, did BOTH register changes and got :
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1611527_bnc.jpg

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1.13B doesn't have any patch. Post me a screenshot of AMD Power Monitor, CPU-Z CPU, Mainboard, Memory, SPD tabs and Memset altogether please when you run this bench (make sure either the pic is resized to less than 1024x768 or thumbnailed). Your RAM perf. there is like Athlon 64 X2 5000+ BE rather than how Phenom should be.

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Originally Posted by Mathos

Hmmm, so if I'm understanding this right, does P0H have the ability to disable the TLB fix? Or does it only disable it for one core?

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When you choose disabled, it's only disabled on the 1st core and not on the other 3 = bad perf.

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Originally Posted by Suosaaski

I might test that when I get back home.

By the way, do you happen to have any idea why AOD shows my memory is in single channel mode?

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Always does, an AOD bug. Check in latest CPU-Z, if it shows dual channel, it'll be dual channel. ;)

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And I was to understand BIOS 1.1 would not have the TLB-fix, howcome it gets the same performance as the newer ones?

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Looks like you ran it single threaded and not started by ticking the multi-threaded box (?).

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Originally Posted by KTE

Looks like you ran it single threaded and not started by ticking the multi-threaded box (?).

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The multithread was selected by default.

PS. Ever since I first installed BIOS 1.2, I think the performance went down and never came back up even with 1.1. At least in 3dmark. Almost like the TLB-fix would stay there no matter what. Or something else is wrong.

^Post your config screenshots and details please.
Also post your temperatures and powersupply.

Make sure you've flashed using the parameters I stated because these are BETA ( /p /b /n /c). The only way you could get that perf. using Phenom is if something was wrong.

-To check TLB errata patch, just download CrystalCPUID, Function>open MSR Editor>type MSR number: 0xc0010015 and press RDMSR.
-Read the EAX register, it should end in 10. If not post back what it shows.
-Then change core to 2/4, 3/4, 4/4 using the drop down in CCPUID upper right corner and for each one press RDMSR again and read the value (note it).

-Next, type 0xc0011023 in the MSR number box and hit RDMSR again for each core.
-Check EAX now ends with 20 and if not, post back what it does.

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Originally Posted by KTE

^Post your config screenshots and details please.
Also post your temperatures and powersupply.

Make sure you've flashed using the parameters I stated because these are BETA ( /p /b /n /c). The only way you could get that perf. using Phenom is if something was wrong.

-To check TLB errata patch, just download CrystalCPUID, Function>open MSR Editor>type MSR number: 0xc0010015 and press RDMSR.
-Read the EAX register, it should end in 10. If not post back what it shows.
-Then change core to 2/4, 3/4, 4/4 using the drop down in CCPUID upper right corner and for each one press RDMSR again and read the value (note it).

-Next, type 0xc0011023 in the MSR number box and hit RDMSR again for each core.
-Check EAX now ends with 20 and if not, post back what it does.

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I'll try to flash BIOS 1.1 when I get back home and check those values then. Will also check them with current values for 1.0B1 (which has the option to disable TLB-fix) and P0H probably too.

My config is as follows:
MSI K9A2 Platinum
OCZ Platinum DDR2-800MHz, 4 * 1GB
AMD Phenom 9600 Black Edition, stock cooler: idle @30-32C, load with prime, under 50C (fan ramps up from 50% at 45 degrees, set from BIOS)
MSI HD3870-OC
Western Digital 250GB SATA
Antec NeoHE 550W PSU

That's half of it at least. Why I'm after a detailed screenshot is in important detail you'll miss typing and easier in pics. ;)

These:

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Post me a screenshot of AMD Power Monitor, CPU-Z CPU, Mainboard, Memory, SPD tabs and Memset altogether please when you run this bench (make sure either the pic is resized to less than 1024x768 or thumbnailed).

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If you can check your RAM Drive Strength using EVEREST then do that too.

3DMark'06 CPU:
XP 32b, Phenom at 2652MHz low NB/HT, loose timings, 2k6 CPU score:

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/3...t2k6rl2.th.png

Use it as a comparative as it's totally untweaked. I was testing low volts stability there with a low card.

And to update on Vista X64:
A user here is running 257x11 on 32b and 255x11 64b in Vista with Phenom and the MSI RD790 daily stable. ASUS RD790 needed more volts to run the same oc.
BUT, this user experienced behavior the same as my chips have done. Before his chip could not oc past 240HT at all, completely impossible for it to, would reboot with instability. Now, it goes much past fully stable, after many weeks of use.

havin hard time to set my mem timings to 4-4-4-12 had a four sticks of corsair mems, 9500 phenom set my vdimm already @ 2.1v NB to 1.2v... :shrug:

my system wont boot at windows either...

Try only 2 sticks madfaze.

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Originally Posted by KTE

Try only 2 sticks madfaze.

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ok try it later when i got home :D


how about the NB volt?should i adjust it too...pretty weird it also hangs during POST and adjusting it in the bios...


highest i could get so far 228 fsb at stock vcore...

OK then.

Any of you guys miss this? http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080304/20080304005451.html?.v=1

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5152/amd45sl4.jpg

Deneb and Shanghai are up and running multiple OS and stress apps perfectly, shown at CeBIT. Didn't I tell you they have the chips working early Feb.? :p:
And yet, one sided trolls obviously were hurt there. :shakes:

Now, no hype. They just have a chip running, nothing much you can say about that but that they've made one function the basic logic. Still doesn't mean nothing about the timeline. ;)

Great news,i saw it in NEws section.Still we have some powerful spintel trolls to bash AMD even for this :p: .
My guess is Q3 for shipping parts :).Q4 for top freq. bin.

Anyhow,just found this here:
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/screen...3/DSC_2297.JPG

2 additional speed bins of Phenoms (B3) come in April and May :).I guess these will be 2.4 and 2.5 in April,followed by 2.6 and 2.8GHz(AM2+ FX part?).Note the plural used in both instances on the roadmap ;),so it means at least 2 speed bins per month,and since we have now 2.3Ghz i guess it means the speeds will be the ones i wrote.Let's hope they are,it would imply more easier 3Ghz mark for OCing. :)

Well... they're 2.4G and the 2.6G parts that we know of, then the FX parts late Q2/Q3. They may launch two FX models, one followed by another and that depends on many things including B3 tweaks and TDP gains. FX82 and FX84.

They do have Agena FX 2P too BTW, just search and you'll see it has been shown for long. But it was scrapped for mass production till the late steppings or 45nm, not the least because they didn't have the resources to continue with all the problems to fix K10h, tight schedule and 55nm/45nm efforts. So far, they've turned things drastically around in GPU, chipsets and IGP, CPU to go.

Yeah i know it was shown since last year,but i was thinking about common "poor man's version" of FX ,for AM2+.
2P is too narrow (profit wise) for them to be concentrated on it.With Deneb FX they can finally address this segment since the chip will be a lot smaller(and faster,IPC and freq. wise).
I can't wait for Shanghai revision,that will be my next upgrade :).Till then i'm perfectly happy with my X2 ;).

ok, i did as you asked KTE, all those windows open, and I had crystalCPU open to show that the registers are 18, not 10 as if it was not TLB patched...

(all images are resized to 1024/600)

first one without patching :
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/...8_fullinfo.png

2nd screen shot, only thing changed are the MSR's
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/..._fullinfo2.png

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Originally Posted by KTE

That's half of it at least. Why I'm after a detailed screenshot is in important detail you'll miss typing and easier in pics. ;)

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If you can check your RAM Drive Strength using EVEREST then do that too.

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Here's with BIOS version 1.1:
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/1...arbenchvo5.jpg

And here with P0H:
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2...enchp0hja1.jpg

Forgot the SPD tab, will get new screenshots with it and I'll also download the trial for Everest to show the RAM Drive Strength when I get back home.

All tests done at default settings. The OS version is Vista Ultimate 32-bit with Service Pack 1.

PS. Will check the CrystalCPUID values too later today.

Received a new BIOS version from MSI (P0J) after asking for a modified P0H that disables the fix for all cores instead of just the first. I'll test it later today.

Latest EVEREST: http://www.lavalys.com/beta/everestu...ori5j1htcv.zip

Sorts out random clock/temperature jumps and now shows Phenom 9500/9600 separate to Phenom 9600 BE. Top result I included just to show you a difference of 11x200 NB multi (top one) and the rest are all 9x NB multi. ;)

Attachment 73496

790FX board popularity so far... price sells, MSI MB sold out in many places >

Attachment 73495

MSI K9A2 Plat. V2 is just a down-featured revision of V1. It is cheaper and has a lower MSRP than the V1 too, as I had expected.

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Originally Posted by dr_drache

ok, i did as you asked KTE, all those windows open, and I had crystalCPU open to show that the registers are 18, not 10 as if it was not TLB patched...

(all images are resized to 1024/600)

first one without patching :
2nd screen shot, only thing changed are the MSR's

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Very well. Now that perf. is on par with what I expect. Vista is poor in many things and SP1 is actually much slower for memory/IMC intensive tasks than no SP1 in Vista. The guys getting very poor performance compared to XP is because of their SP1 upgrade and because of Vista itself.

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Originally Posted by Suosaaski

Here's with BIOS version 1.1:
And here with P0H:

All tests done at default settings. The OS version is Vista Ultimate 32-bit with Service Pack 1.

PS. Will check the CrystalCPUID values too later today.

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OK. Thanks. That's definitely patched.

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Originally Posted by Suosaaski

Received a new BIOS version from MSI (P0J) after asking for a modified P0H that disables the fix for all cores instead of just the first. I'll test it later today.

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Can you host the file somewhere please and link it back here. :)
I'm the one who told them how to disable it when they didn't know and yet I don't even get the BIOS.

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Originally Posted by KTE

OK. Thanks. That's definitely patched.
Can you host the file somewhere please and link it back here. :)
I'm the one who told them how to disable it when they didn't know and yet I don't even get the BIOS.

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Sorry, I don't have a place to host it.

It's on their FTP server now, you just need to ask for a password via http://ocss.msi.com.tw/ or I can send it to you via e-mail if you wan't.

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Originally Posted by Suosaaski

Sorry, I don't have a place to host it.

It's on their FTP server now, you just need to ask for a password via http://ocss.msi.com.tw/ or I can send it to you via e-mail if you wan't.

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You can host it here for free: http://www.yourfilehost.com/flash_upload.php

Then link back :)

Waiting for their reply will take too long or PM me the password if you have it.

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Originally Posted by KTE

You can host it here for free: http://www.yourfilehost.com/flash_upload.php

Then link back :)

Waiting for their reply will take too long or PM me the password if you have it.

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I'll check it out.

@Suosaaski

did you already installed the BIOS?


are experiencing any BSOD?


some peeps @ MSI Forums are experiencing BSODs


check it here

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Originally Posted by madfaze

@Suosaaski

did you already installed the BIOS?


are experiencing any BSOD?


some peeps @ MSI Forums are experiencing BSODs


check it here

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Nope, not yet. That seems to... suck. I wonder if I'll install it or not.

They give no details how or what they did. They can easily boot using UBCD4Win or Debug Mode and check the debug logs to see what is wrong. It's not necessarily the BIOS according to that info.

Secondly, that BIOS incase you didn't now is an AMD release BIOS for testing purposes only, dubbed "Performance BIOS".

I'm flashing it in ~20 mins.

some of my test runs at stock vcore, bios p0h


http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...cachemem-1.png


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validation

http://valid.x86-secret.com/cache/banner/324918.png


do i have to lower HT speed?:D

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Originally Posted by KTE

Secondly, that BIOS incase you didn't now is an AMD release BIOS for testing purposes only, dubbed "Performance BIOS".

I'm flashing it in ~20 mins.

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Yup, I knew that. I have the P0H for daily use, works fine so far.

Let us know how it works for you.