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10-01-2008, 09:40 AM
T_Flight

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Originally Posted by Revv23

Lol are you sure you are in the right forum buddy?

Absolutely certain. I'm not one of those "Well I'm gonna wait a year before switching to Bloomfield" types. Your talking to a first adopter here who is gonna watercool a 3000 dollar+ system, and take it to max 24/7 clocks. I'd say I'm in the right forums, yes. I'd also say I'm in the right thread on top of that. :up:
10-01-2008, 09:59 AM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by AuDioFreaK39

So you're saying the best way to overclock Nehalems would be to max out turbo and "tweak it to the edge" (while maintaining good clock distribution over the dice area as Drwho? stated)? Makes sense. :cool:

NO, I'm saying not being able to reach 4GHz wouldn't stop me from getting a Nehalem. Out of the box performance will be its biggest selling point, not what our tiny part of the market thinks. But at least 4 testers have said 4GHz isn't a problem and I trust them, they broke no NDA;)

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

i never saw a chipset burned by high mem voltages, even beyond 2.3V i never heard of a dead X48/P45, fried memsticks on the other hean are far more common then dead chipsets.

But wouldn't a Triple Channel controller that's running faster with lower Voltage RAM have different requirement than Dual Channel one with Higher Voltage RAM? What some seem to be saying is that; Shouldn't my 45nm Penryn have the same rating as my 65nm Conroe? Doesn't DDR3 have a lower voltage the DDR2 at or near the same speed?
10-01-2008, 10:07 AM
Shintai

Lets not have any "early adopter" crap again with "wait for the bugs to be ironed out". I got an E6600 on release day and a P965 board. Still works superb and always flawless :)
10-01-2008, 10:12 AM
Hornet331

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donnie27

But wouldn't a Triple Channel controller that's running faster with lower Voltage RAM have different requirement than Dual Channel one with Higher Voltage RAM? What some seem to be saying is that; Shouldn't my 45nm Penryn have the same rating as my 65nm Conroe? Doesn't DDR3 have a lower voltage the DDR2 at or near the same speed?

what has that to do with ocing and giving higher voltage. :p:

dr who was referring to the different voltages on mem controller and dimms itself. Personally i have run my x38 with 2,1V dimm and 1,35MCH voltage for some months (which is a difference of 0,75V and my board is still kicking and running at stock settings with out any problem).

Maybe the IMC will be more sensitive to the voltage different, but when we know this we can easily avoid that. ;)
10-01-2008, 10:24 AM
Drwho?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donnie27

NO, I'm saying not being able to reach 4GHz wouldn't stop me from getting a Nehalem. Out of the box performance will be its biggest selling point, not what our tiny part of the market thinks. But at least 4 testers have said 4GHz isn't a problem and I trust them, they broke no NDA;)

But wouldn't a Triple Channel controller that's running faster with lower Voltage RAM have different requirement than Dual Channel one with Higher Voltage RAM? What some seem to be saying is that; Shouldn't my 45nm Penryn have the same rating as my 65nm Conroe? Doesn't DDR3 have a lower voltage the DDR2 at or near the same speed?

For the memory controler topic, it will give you much more than and Phenom or Yorkfield, at 1066 ... :rofl: you will notice very quickly that you can go far above 30GB/s without anyproblem as soon as you increase the Mhz of the memory. Using the Qimonda awesome DIMMs, you can get over 40, at 1.55 (lol x 100000) ... Now, the real question is simple ... Do you know an application today what will need this? Of course, I am working with the developpers and H264 profiles with 32 frames motion estimation will using this, but it will take 6 months, as usual to see real use of so much bandwidth. Remember, we are talking about double the best OC phenom ... something that a high end Quad processors does today ... and all of this in a small single processor PC overclocked :)
You guys need to concidere Intel SSD raid if you want to chalenge 10% of this mem bandwidth ... :rofl:

You ll see some pretty scary boost on SETI, Rosetta, Folding at home, even the astro pulse workload will be more "human"

Stay tune, we are almost there.
10-01-2008, 10:29 AM
Mad1723

Omg this bandwidth will be mind blowing!
10-01-2008, 10:41 AM
STaRGaZeR

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drwho?

you will notice very quickly that you can go far above 30GB/s without anyproblem as soon as you increase the Mhz of the memory. Using the Qimonda awesome DIMMs, you can get over 40, at 1.55 (lol x 100000) ...

...

WTF has Intel done to that memory controller :shocked:
10-01-2008, 11:00 AM
Drwho?

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Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

...

WTF has Intel done to that memory controller :shocked:

What Matter is to be the 1st to do it right ... not to be the 1st having it :) :rofl:
10-01-2008, 11:07 AM
T_Flight

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drwho?

For the memory controler topic, it will give you much more than and Phenom or Yorkfield, at 1066 ... :rofl: you will notice very quickly that you can go far above 30GB/s without anyproblem as soon as you increase the Mhz of the memory. Using the Qimonda awesome DIMMs, you can get over 40, at 1.55 (lol x 100000) ... Now, the real question is simple ... Do you know an application today what will need this? Of course, I am working with the developpers and H264 profiles with 32 frames motion estimation will using this, but it will take 6 months, as usual to see real use of so much bandwidth. Remember, we are talking about double the best OC phenom ... something that a high end Quad processors does today ... and all of this in a small single processor PC overclocked :)
You guys need to concidere Intel SSD raid if you want to chalenge 10% of this mem bandwidth ... :rofl:

You ll see some pretty scary boost on SETI, Rosetta, Folding at home, even the astro pulse workload will be more "human"

Stay tune, we are almost there.

Buy button ready for Qimonda. Already have velociraptor 150. Also ready to buy mobo, and CPU when available. Already have PSU, already have some watercooling stuff, and the rest is on stby at a dealer. Buy button is also ready on the GTX280 FTW.

I'm also ready to set folding records with both GPU2 and CPU clients. Once I get a baseline on air and make sure everything is working right for awhile, we'll put the water cooling stuff on, and then slowly start bringing up the clocks, testing it, and benching it. YeeeeHawwwww! :clap:
10-01-2008, 11:07 AM
Shintai

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drwho?

What Matter is to be the 1st to do it right ... not to be the 1st having it :) :rofl:

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Well they did do it first too with 386SL ;)
10-01-2008, 11:10 AM
T_Flight

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

Lets not have any "early adopter" crap again with "wait for the bugs to be ironed out". I got an E6600 on release day and a P965 board. Still works superb and always flawless :)

What bugs? Intel doesn't do bugs. :D
10-01-2008, 11:48 AM
Hornet331

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drwho?

You ll see some pretty scary boost on SETI, Rosetta, Folding at home, even the astro pulse workload will be more "human"

NO WAI. :shock:

@3,5ghz my yorkie still needs ~30h for one god dam ap unit. :p:
10-01-2008, 12:23 PM
Astratuner

Still dont get it there aren't much ddr3 ram modules out that run on less then 1.65V lol.
10-01-2008, 12:25 PM
Revv23

Quote:

Originally Posted by T_Flight

Absolutely certain. I'm not one of those "Well I'm gonna wait a year before switching to Bloomfield" types. Your talking to a first adopter here who is gonna watercool a 3000 dollar+ system, and take it to max 24/7 clocks. I'd say I'm in the right forums, yes. I'd also say I'm in the right thread on top of that. :up:

Lol I don't think you get my point... This is xtremesystems. Vmods don't scare most people here. This is the last place you need to give a lecture on the dangers of overclocking.

Anyways; not trying to be rude, just poking fun. I hope I haven't offended you. :toast:
10-01-2008, 12:28 PM
Donnie27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drwho?

For the memory controler topic, it will give you much more than and Phenom or Yorkfield, at 1066 ... :rofl: you will notice very quickly that you can go far above 30GB/s without anyproblem as soon as you increase the Mhz of the memory. Using the Qimonda awesome DIMMs, you can get over 40, at 1.55 (lol x 100000) ... Now, the real question is simple ... Do you know an application today what will need this? Of course, I am working with the developpers and H264 profiles with 32 frames motion estimation will using this, but it will take 6 months, as usual to see real use of so much bandwidth. Remember, we are talking about double the best OC phenom ... something that a high end Quad processors does today ... and all of this in a small single processor PC overclocked :)
You guys need to concidere Intel SSD raid if you want to chalenge 10% of this mem bandwidth ... :rofl:

You ll see some pretty scary boost on SETI, Rosetta, Folding at home, even the astro pulse workload will be more "human"

Stay tune, we are almost there.

Dewd, you're forgetting, I'm calling IMC on the Desktop is more of a gimmick than a necessity:rofl: Bandwidth isn't a bottleneck in most cases anyway. Even FSB shortcommings can be "hid". Look at the guy complaining about Games:ROTF: If systems were memory bandwidth bottlenecked, old X2 would have been kicking the crap out of the First Conroes that has less bandwidth availible.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hornett133

what has that to do with ocing and giving higher voltage.

dr who was referring to the different voltages on mem controller and dimms itself. Personally i have run my x38 with 2,1V dimm and 1,35MCH voltage for some months (which is a difference of 0,75V and my board is still kicking and running at stock settings with out any problem).

Maybe the IMC will be more sensitive to the voltage different, but when we know this we can easily avoid that.

What does that have to do with what I asked the other guy? 2.1v for what, DDR2? Now doesn't DDR3 support lower Voltages? What I meant why wouldn't that lower voltage have a lower warning threshold?

The other guy was right when he said too many are comparing old ideas to new technology. Yes, I know Nehalem has different power plains core, controller and linked someone else to that info BTW!

Oh, I thought I didn't need to point out Sarcasum when I say tweak it till it breaks :rofl:!
10-01-2008, 12:48 PM
Hornet331

2,1V for ddr3. ddr2 is old tech for me since one year :p:
10-01-2008, 12:48 PM
pajaa

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drwho?

For the memory controler topic, it will give you much more than and Phenom or Yorkfield, at 1066 ... :rofl: you will notice very quickly that you can go far above 30GB/s without anyproblem as soon as you increase the Mhz of the memory. Using the Qimonda awesome DIMMs, you can get over 40, at 1.55 (lol x 100000) ... Now, the real question is simple ... Do you know an application today what will need this? Of course, I am working with the developpers and H264 profiles with 32 frames motion estimation will using this, but it will take 6 months, as usual to see real use of so much bandwidth. Remember, we are talking about double the best OC phenom ... something that a high end Quad processors does today ... and all of this in a small single processor PC overclocked :)
You guys need to concidere Intel SSD raid if you want to chalenge 10% of this mem bandwidth ... :rofl:

You ll see some pretty scary boost on SETI, Rosetta, Folding at home, even the astro pulse workload will be more "human"

Stay tune, we are almost there.

So the Core2 in Nehalem simply gets the necessary bandwidth, that's good. :rolleyes: And there's no need for hiding any latencies through the mighty prefetcher, simply a wide memory interface AND an almighty prefetcher, makes sense :up:

Francois, you sure have a deal with Randy, don't you?
10-01-2008, 06:39 PM
Drwho?

at your own risk

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astratuner

Still dont get it there aren't much ddr3 ram modules out that run on less then 1.65V lol.

You will be able to run it higher than 1.65V ... at your own risk :ROTF:
10-01-2008, 09:10 PM
T_Flight

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drwho?

You will be able to run it higher than 1.65V ... at your own risk :ROTF:

How much higher? :D
10-01-2008, 09:16 PM
Drwho?

Quote:

Originally Posted by T_Flight

How much higher? :D

I ll let you try :up:
10-01-2008, 09:29 PM
T_Flight

:ROTF: I knew that was coming.

I think I'll try Qimonda at 1.55! :D That's assuming this memory still has the best specs by release. I need free CPU's and I'll try higher...carefully. With no v Differentials. I'm listening to the people who are working with them. ;)
10-01-2008, 10:15 PM
Drwho?

Quote:

Originally Posted by T_Flight

:ROTF: I knew that was coming.

I think I'll try Qimonda at 1.55! :D That's assuming this memory still has the best specs by release. I need free CPU's and I'll try higher...carefully. With no v Differentials. I'm listening to the people who are working with them. ;)

give me the ... :clap:
10-02-2008, 01:56 AM
BenchZowner

Guess who's gonna be the first fearless fool to run a Nehalem system with the RAM @ 2.27V 24/7 F@H to see the results of high Vddr on the new CPUs ? :D
10-02-2008, 02:01 AM
Kondik

NO ! You're not BURNING anythign down again, The Silicium Heaven will be overpooped with your dying components. Cold Silicium Killer *points at him*
10-02-2008, 02:03 AM
BenchZowner

I haven't killed any of those E8500's and E8600's that I'm running debunking the High Vtt / Vpll / Vcore Wolfdale/Yorkfield ( 45nm ) myth, I haven't killed any DDR3 ram in ages... I plan keeping it like that, and I'm quite sure Nehalem agrees with me :p:

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