ATI Radeon HD 4000 Series discussion

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06-04-2008, 07:19 AM
clonez

oh, 179€ is quite cheap
cheapest 9800 gtx is selling for 199€ (as far as i know)
now a big oc headroom is needed...

IMHO the rv7xx gaphics demo looks far more impressive than nvidias...
(high res version needed to see details)
06-04-2008, 07:23 AM
Rammsteiner

Another one:
http://www.electronicagigant.nl/nl/p...i-hd4850,512mb
156 Euro...:eek:.
06-04-2008, 07:25 AM
clonez

now thats sick....
that cards price'll go down in no time, they gotta get rid of the 3870 and 3850 really fast
06-04-2008, 07:42 AM
y2kbos

Too cheap, they're goes anychance of it beating an Ultra
06-04-2008, 07:46 AM
Rammsteiner

Quote:

Originally Posted by y2kbos

Too cheap, they're goes anychance of it beating an Ultra

You do know this is about the HD4850 right, not the HD4870:rolleyes:. The HD470X2 is supposed to be the top card, so we've a few cards to go before we can at least comment on performance, not even talking about benchmarks.
06-04-2008, 07:50 AM
y2kbos

Oh yeah I am just going on what some here have been saying about the HD4850 being faster than top end G80, with those prices I think not..
06-04-2008, 08:03 AM
Rammsteiner

Quote:

Originally Posted by y2kbos

Oh yeah I am just going on what some here have been saying about the HD4850 being faster than top end G80, with those prices I think not..

I didnt read trough most if this because it's 90% time wasting.

Anyway, we will only know when benches come out. I mean, remember that quad 9800X2 beating the super computer bought 3 years ago in Antwerp? Who would have thought GPU's would become this powerfull that quick.

Besides that, the 8800 Ultra is quite old actually. As I said, we'll have to wait for benchies but it's not like impossible.
06-04-2008, 08:19 AM
zerazax

Taken from itocp:

Quote:

4850 Vantage P5847， X2609

On the same platform, a 9800GTX does P5816， X2104

If that's any indicator of AA, AF, and 4870 performance... ATI probably has improved a lot on their weaker points but on pure shader math, lesser stuff is done. This probably suggests a much better balanced chip, if slightly better suited for dual GPU usage.

The room is still wide open for performance #'s
06-04-2008, 08:24 AM
fng77

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rammsteiner

You do know this is about the HD4850 right, not the HD4870:rolleyes:. The HD470X2 is supposed to be the top card, so we've a few cards to go before we can at least comment on performance, not even talking about benchmarks.

So far, this whole thread have been about speculations about 4850 and 4870 performance. Personaly I dont think its very interesting with groundless assumptions either.

But I sure think that y2kbos point of view on the pricing is as valid as everyone elses.
06-04-2008, 08:31 AM
Bo_Fox

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan_c

SLI/CF sucks!!!:p:

Yep, I'm an EX-SLI user! And I'd never go back.. already enough headaches with 2 computers and 5 hard drives, etc..
06-04-2008, 08:39 AM
Rammsteiner

Quote:

Originally Posted by fng77

So far, this whole thread have been about speculations about 4850 and 4870 performance. Personaly I dont think its very interesting with groundless assumptions either.

But I sure think that y2kbos point of view on the pricing is as valid as everyone elses.

He has a point, but well, as I said, we will only know when real valid benchmarks are around.

I mean, when Intel released their C2D stuff it was a lot faster than AMD CPU's while mainstream CPU's weren't priced that high. Nothing is impossible, but the possible is as impossible:p:.

Oh well, only came around to post the links for the prices thus far. Rest is all speculation, Ill just wait for some real numbers:yepp:.
06-04-2008, 08:47 AM
fng77

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rammsteiner

He has a point, but well, as I said, we will only know when real valid benchmarks are around.

I mean, when Intel released their C2D stuff it was a lot faster than AMD CPU's while mainstream CPU's weren't priced that high. Nothing is impossible, but the possible is as impossible:p:.

Oh well, only came around to post the links for the prices thus far. Rest is all speculation, Ill just wait for some real numbers:yepp:.

I agree. Friends?
06-04-2008, 08:48 AM
Dan_c

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo_Fox

Yep, I'm an EX-SLI user! And I'd never go back.. already enough headaches with 2 computers and 5 hard drives, etc..

i was a SLI user, for a while (my first SLI rig dyed this spring), but I've seen to many down-sides to it vs. single, and I've learned the importance of the setup...
crossfire, thow, seems to be beter and beter, and I'm taking it into acount for this generation of chips. it all depends on the market offerings, posibilityes and drivers.
06-04-2008, 08:55 AM
annihilat0r

Quote:

Originally Posted by y2kbos

Oh yeah I am just going on what some here have been saying about the HD4850 being faster than top end G80, with those prices I think not..

An Ultra is about the same as, or slightly slower than a 9800GTX (except at the highest resolutions and IQ settings, where Ultra owns). So by the specifications and the 3dmark Vantage numbers we saw till today, I'd say it'll perform on par with the Ultra.
06-04-2008, 09:05 AM
fng77

Acctually, thinking about it I think thats quite an intersting comparision, I mean 4850 vs 8800 Gtx /ultra. The 8800 ultra has been here for quite a long while now and is still very competetive. If the 4850 beats it could at last retire, I dont think it will but it would be pretty cool if it did.
06-04-2008, 09:51 AM
azza21

AMD shows 4800-series tech demo

Faud how a link to showing ati showing a demo of what the 4800 cards can handle. The video quality of the footage is poor but you get a small idea of what this beast is made off.

Ati 4800 series demo

Fuds link
06-04-2008, 09:56 AM
Jowy Atreides

Quote:

Originally Posted by azza21

AMD shows 4800-series tech demo

Faud how a link to showing ati showing a demo of what the 4800 cards can handle. The video quality of the footage is poor but you get a small idea of what this beast is made off.

Ati 4800 series demo

Fuds link

hehe, I beat them to it.
The fud is no match for real hardware trollers

whats funny is that I have a 4870 graphic demo and a gt260 graphic demo on my youtube.
The views for the 260 were over 6,000 within hours (it's not updated from 2,000 on the public video yet tho)

and the 4870 is still at like 30 views :shrug:

it's a shame since the ati demo is more impressive

http://img.hexus.net/v2/internationa...CF0032-big.jpg
06-04-2008, 10:34 AM
annihilat0r

Delayed 5 days to 23 June

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/37795/135/
06-04-2008, 11:03 AM
Eastcoasthandle

Quote:

Originally Posted by annihilat0r

Delayed 5 days to 23 June

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/37795/135/

Quote:

However, it looks like that AMD is using the delay to change its launch strategy. The GDDR5 equipped 4870 will now launch at the same time as the 4850 512MB GDDR3, but it is unclear whether there are enough GDDR5 chips to enable AMD to ship the 4870 in volume right off the bat.

Makes sense if true. I never understood why they would launch one card from it's serious on the 18th
06-04-2008, 11:15 AM
STaRGaZeR

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle

Makes sense if true. I never understood why they would launch one card from it's serious on the 18th

My reaction:

1. Delayed 5 days to 23 June --> :wth: :zombie:

2. The GDDR5 equipped 4870 will now launch at the same time as the 4850 512MB GDDR3 --> :cheer:

:D :D
06-04-2008, 11:19 AM
Luka_Aveiro

Quote:

Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

My reaction:

1. Delayed 5 days to 23 June --> :wth: :zombie:

2. The GDDR5 equipped 4870 will now launch at the same time as the 4850 512MB GDDR3 --> :cheer:

:D :D

:gay:
06-04-2008, 12:27 PM
LordEC911

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hornet331

proof for that...

since RV770 is essentially a RV670 on steroids imho nothing will change with the X2, it will be the same CF on board solution that the old X2 was.

Proof that R700 is the same as 3870x2?
06-04-2008, 01:06 PM
madcho

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordEC911

Proof that R700 is the same as 3870x2?

The is no proof about that, but the leaks don't tell about a new ship called R700, they only talk about dual RV770.

A rumour that does not die, is not a rumor :D
06-04-2008, 01:45 PM
generics_user

Quote:

Originally Posted by madcho

The is no proof about that, but the leaks don't tell about a new ship called R700, they only talk about dual RV770.

A rumour that does not die, is not a rumor :D

actually the R700 is shorter than the r680 (pic in this thread), has a better cooler and a new bridge chip (PCIe 2.0).

maybe this chip deals with stuttering issues (i recently had a chance to test a hd3870x2 because a friend of mime) because from my experience the normal 3870 CF has much fewer microstutters which appear less often (every 2-10 mins on my rig) and don'T disturb as much as the 3870X2 stutters which are there more often :shrug:

maybe the X2 really had some sync problems because of the bridge chip, i hope that the 4870X2 deals with the stutters and shuts them out completely, but i don't think that this is going to happen :(
06-04-2008, 01:52 PM
zerazax

Quote:

Originally Posted by madcho

The is no proof about that, but the leaks don't tell about a new ship called R700, they only talk about dual RV770.

A rumour that does not die, is not a rumor :D

What he meant was theres no proof either way that the card is on-board CF, not whether it was dual or not

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