The Maximus Formula Thread - Help/OCing/Guide/Rampage conversion

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Originally Posted by ZenEffect

just a quick q. would it be worth constructing a back plate from plexi glass for the waterblock (d-tek fuzion)? i notice that the motherboard bows a bit. also, would it help to lap the waterblock after ive already lapped the cpu?

i know these seem like stupid questions where the answer is yes, but i want some real world experience telling me yes and what i could possibly expect.

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Yes to the backplate. I used one from a Zalmon 9500. Before I had 7C spread between cores. Now all cores have less than a 2C difference and are usually 1C apart. :) Conventional wisdom is don't lap the D-Tek Fuzion. It was designed with a bow on purpose and that helps provide lower temps. I've read a few reports from people that say lapping helped. That one is a coin toss. I'd use nozzles without lapping.

Edit: You don't have to make a back plate. You can always buy one of these...

http://www.petrastechshop.com/dfuprha.html

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Originally Posted by iadstudio

Try:
DRAM Static Read Control: DISABLED
Ai Clock Twister : light
Transaction Booster : DISABLED
Boost Level : 1 or 2
SB : 1.2
Loadline Calibration : ENABLED
CPU GTL Reference : .63x
North Bridge GTL Reference : .67x
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2_REF
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR2_REF
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2_REF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5

Also, you should be able to bring your RAM voltage down with those stix. Are they Ballistic?

With DRAM Static Read Control: DISABLED, Ai Clock Twister : light, Transaction Booster : DISABLED 1-2 if you boot and it's stable you know it was the board having trouble. Then you can worry about tightening the board latency and getting better clock for clock performance out of it. At least that's how I got to the higher FSB.

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Tested and it ....................... doens't work :p: .
Pffff, I begin to believe that the mobo has stopped working properly :ROTF: .

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Originally Posted by ZenEffect

just a quick q. would it be worth constructing a back plate from plexi glass for the waterblock (d-tek fuzion)? i notice that the motherboard bows a bit. also, would it help to lap the waterblock after ive already lapped the cpu?

i know these seem like stupid questions where the answer is yes, but i want some real world experience telling me yes and what i could possibly expect.

thanks in advance... and i sent off the wish list last night at 8 so im ready for another round today if you guys want to compile a list to be sent off to asus.

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Don't lap the waterblock. It's flat. If anything get the nozzle kit.

As for a backplate, you can get the D-Tek pro mount kit which comes with a backplate or I've heard that you can also use a thermalright 775 backplate. I have the Pro Mount kit myself and love it.

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Originally Posted by Prodigys

Tested and it ....................... doens't work :p: .
Pffff, I begin to believe that the mobo has stopped working properly :ROTF: .

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Setting stuff to auto and jacking up the fsb will do that. ooh, well. :rolleyes:

Anyone tell me if this benchmark looks good or to slow etc

I dont really know what im looking for to see how well my memory is working.

Any tips would be appreciated

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5893/everestsp7.jpg

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Originally Posted by tommithy

Don't lap the waterblock. It's flat. If anything get the nozzle kit.

As for a backplate, you can get the D-Tek pro mount kit which comes with a backplate or I've heard that you can also use a thermalright 775 backplate. I have the Pro Mount kit myself and love it.

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its not shiny and has a few scratches so a light lapping i think is in order

and as far as making a back plate vs buying/ordering one my logic behind that is
making one does not cost me anything and it will take an hour tops to fabricate vs the few day wait for one to come in. i am not a patient person by any means.

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Originally Posted by Krav

Anyone tell me if this benchmark looks good or to slow etc

I dont really know what im looking for to see how well my memory is working.

Any tips would be appreciated

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It looks respectable depending on settings, but you'll have to at least post some settings in order for it to mean anything.

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Originally Posted by Krav

Anyone tell me if this benchmark looks good or to slow etc

I dont really know what im looking for to see how well my memory is working.

Any tips would be appreciated

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5893/everestsp7.jpg

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Try TRD on 3-5

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Originally Posted by iadstudio

Setting stuff to auto and jacking up the fsb will do that. ooh, well. :rolleyes:

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As far as I can see there where almost none AUTO settings used the last time I tried, I picked the settings you guys gave me, plus I wached closely what other ppl needed for some related speeds and made a comparsion...

So what you say is bs :) .


EDIT:

Look under me down here hahaha....
Almost all AUTO and it works :rofl: .

my setting bios

Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 450
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1080
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time : AUTO
Write Recovery Time : AUTO
Read to Precharge Time : AUTO

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (D) : AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Auto
Ai Clock Twister : Strong
Transaction Booster : disabled
Relax level: 0

CPU Voltage : 1.31
CPU PLL Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge Voltage : AUTO
DRAM Voltage : 2.45V
FSB Termination Voltage : AUTO
South Bridge Voltage : AUTO
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.63X
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67X
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5


help me setting bios on RAM DDR2 1200mhz

I have got to memory corsai dominator 2x1gb ram 1066mhz


Thank

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Originally Posted by iadstudio

It looks respectable depending on settings, but you'll have to at least post some settings in order for it to mean anything.

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My ram settings in bios are dram at 1066 5-5-5-18 2T with voltage of 2.14, cpu is at 333x9 ( will push more soon).

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Originally Posted by nut311

Try TRD on 3-5

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Sorry for my noobness but what is that and how do i change it, from googling i found it means read delay is it one of the numbers the ram is set at? Still learning :(

You can adjust TRD by setting the "Transaction Booster" settings in "Exteme Tweaker" menu in bios.

There you are able to set "TB" to "enabled" and choose a "boost level" from 0-7(0-3 some biosversions?) or to set "TB" to "disabled" and choose a "relax level" from 0-7(0-3 some biosversions).

"TB enabled" or "disabled" and each with "level 0" is stock TRD of the ram.

"TB enabled" "boost level 1" is stock TRD-1 (for example stock TRD is 7, then it is "7-1=6", lower is faster/6 is faster than 7).
"TB enabled" "boost level 2" is stock TRD-2 (7-2=5, stock TRD7) and so on...

"TB disabled" "relax level 1" is stock TRD+1 (7+1=1, stock TRD7, higher is slower/8 is slower than 7).
"TB disabled" "relax level 2" is stock TRD+2 (7+2=9, stock TRD7) and so on...

ahh ok thanks!

This is my ram at 1147MHz

Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 478
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
PCI-E Frequency: 110
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1147
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15

The rest of ram settings are auto

DRAM Static Read Control: Auto
Ai Clock Twister : Strong
Transaction Booster : disabled
Relax level: 0


http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...00_1147ram.png

does these temps seem normal on my e8400 with a thermalright 120 ultra extreme cooler?

processor is clocked to 445x9 at vcore 1.29

cpuind. idle 35 , and load 55

core0 idle 44 load 65
core1 idle 45 load 65-66

i know i hav epretty bad airflow, but is the temps ok anyway or do i need to get some better flow?

and the north and south bridge is idling at 48-49 , is that bad?

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Originally Posted by Jaekae

does these temps seem normal on my e8400 with a thermalright 120 ultra extreme cooler?

processor is clocked to 445x9 at vcore 1.29

cpuind. idle 35 , and load 55

core0 idle 44 load 65
core1 idle 45 load 65-66

i know i hav epretty bad airflow, but is the temps ok anyway or do i need to get some better flow?

and the north and south bridge is idling at 48-49 , is that bad?

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There looking about right to me
I have mine 8400 at 4.3GHz with 1.38v and I idle at .....
Core1 28c ...full load 57c
Core2 30c ...full load 55c

others will disagree I'm sure, but I think the NB and SB could be a little cooler at idle

I got some info right here...

I wanted to run 3.8Ghz on my own settings instead off AUTO.

Now I run allmost the whole day with Prime95 on + gaming on the following:

CPU : 423 x 9 (3.8Ghz)
MEM : 507Mhz (4-4-4-12 tRD 7)

PLL : 1.56 V
NB : 1.51 V
FSB : 1.46 V
SB : 1.075 V
CPU GTL : .63x
NB GTL : .67x
SB 1.5V : 1.5 V

Strap 333Mhz
PCI-e 105Mhz
TB Disabled (0)


My qeustion was, can the board be unstable due off tohigh voltages ?
I mean, I used 1.65 V on NB for 445 FSB... And now only 1.51 for 423...
And the NB GTL can't help when I set it to .63 instead of .67 ?

Stability can be compromised based on NB temps but not voltages IMO, those pushing close to 47C on NB temps are very very close to the edge.

I think your going to find that this board just has a wall somewhere after 450 fsb with quads that induces instability.

I hit a wall with a celeron c2 rather low, 374 was max, would not do 375 even with the lowest multi. Yet 3.0g was stable....I'd like to say its bios related.

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Originally Posted by Prodigys

I got some info right here...

I wanted to run 3.8Ghz on my own settings instead off AUTO.

Now I run allmost the whole day with Prime95 on + gaming on the following:

CPU : 423 x 9 (3.8Ghz)
MEM : 507Mhz (4-4-4-12 tRD 7)

PLL : 1.56 V
NB : 1.51 V
FSB : 1.46 V
SB : 1.075 V
CPU GTL : .63x
NB GTL : .67x
SB 1.5V : 1.5 V

Strap 333Mhz
PCI-e 105Mhz
TB Disabled (0)


My qeustion was, can the board be unstable due off tohigh voltages ?
I mean, I used 1.65 V on NB for 445 FSB... And now only 1.51 for 423...
And the NB GTL can't help when I set it to .63 instead of .67 ?

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Yes it can! My 450x8 are only stable with NB 1,25V and VFSB 1,20V. Higher NB or VFSB voltage and system becomes unstable after long testtime.

Can you increase the dram frequency from 1066 to 1100MHz - 1200MHz without having to OC the E8400 past 3.6GHz?

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Originally Posted by chew*

Stability can be compromised based on NB temps but not voltages IMO, those pushing close to 47C on NB temps are very very close to the edge.

I think your going to find that this board just has a wall somewhere after 450 fsb with quads that induces instability.

I hit a wall with a celeron c2 rather low, 374 was max, would not do 375 even with the lowest multi. Yet 3.0g was stable....I'd like to say its bios related.

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I hope it's a BIOS problem. I know I'm on the P5E instead off the Maximus, but the P5E thread is dead and the P5E with the Maximus is almost the same.
About the FSB wall, don't think I got one so low. I did a SuperPi 1M run on 468 x 9 with everything AUTO (back then :p: ). And it was running 100% good...

Also I did test the max FSB with all AUTO settings, and I could get 470 x 7 stable. Don't ask me what I can achieve when I set the voltages myself, but I think it can be higher then 470 ...

Anyway, I'm going to test a little more, and keep hoping for a better BIOS :yepp: .

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Originally Posted by eSp!s0

Yes it can! My 450x8 are only stable with NB 1,25V and VFSB 1,20V. Higher NB or VFSB voltage and system becomes unstable after long testtime.

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That's the same as I thought...
I can run 438 FSB with 1.51 vNB, and then 445 NOT with 1.65 vNB, so I think it's to much ...

Also one thing, more then 1.75V on PLL for 24/7 use is bad ?

EDIT:

I'm right now on 434 x 9 with the same voltages as I use for my 423 x 9 setup.
So far it is doing good....

CPU : 434 x 9 (3.9Ghz)
MEM : 520Mhz (4-4-4-12 tRD 7)

PLL : 1.56 V
NB : 1.51 V
FSB : 1.46 V
SB : 1.075 V
CPU GTL : .63x
NB GTL : .67x
SB 1.5V : 1.5 V

Strap 333Mhz
PCI-e 105Mhz
TB Disabled (0)

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Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle

Can you increase the dram frequency from 1066 to 1100MHz - 1200MHz without having to OC the E8400 past 3.6GHz?

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Yes

8x450 on the 333 strap = 1081MHz
400 strap = 1199MHz

8.5x424 on the 400 strap = 1130MHz

3.6Ghz keeps failing OCCT after couple mins. And whenever I set Transaction Booster to Disable or Enable, system won't boot. This is my settings for 3.5 OCCT stable so suggestions for 3.6Ghz please. :p:
BIOS 0907
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency :389
FSB Strap to North Bridge :400
PCI-E Frequency: 110
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-778
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : Auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time : Auto
Write Recovery Time : Auto
Read to Precharge Time : Auto

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (D) : AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Strong
Transaction Booster : AUTO

CPU Voltage : 1.46v
CPU PLL Voltage : Auto
North Bridge Voltage : 1.51v
DRAM Voltage : 2.10v
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.5v
South Bridge Voltage : 1.05v
Loadline Calibration : ENABLED
CPU GTL Reference : AUTO
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : AUTO
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5v

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED : ENABLED

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

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Originally Posted by iTravis

3.6Ghz keeps failing OCCT after couple mins. And whenever I set Transaction Booster to Disable or Enable, system won't boot. This is my settings for 3.5 OCCT stable so suggestions for 3.6Ghz please. :p:
BIOS 0907
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency :389
FSB Strap to North Bridge :400
PCI-E Frequency: 110
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-778
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : Auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time : Auto
Write Recovery Time : Auto
Read to Precharge Time : Auto

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (D) : AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Strong
Transaction Booster : AUTO

CPU Voltage : 1.46v
CPU PLL Voltage : Auto
North Bridge Voltage : 1.51v
DRAM Voltage : 2.10v
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.5v
South Bridge Voltage : 1.05v
Loadline Calibration : ENABLED
CPU GTL Reference : AUTO
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : AUTO
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5v

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED : ENABLED

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

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up your CPU Volts a tad and see if it takes longer to crap out.
are you running 4x1GB sticks?
you can also drop clock twister to moderate to see if its the ram, but I doubt that it is at the speed your running it.

I had better luck on the 8 multi with my quad 8x450 was a really nice clock for me. I had a hard time with the 9 multi to get 3.6GHz stable

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Originally Posted by Prodigys

I hope it's a BIOS problem. I know I'm on the P5E instead off the Maximus, but the P5E thread is dead and the P5E with the Maximus is almost the same.
About the FSB wall, don't think I got one so low. I did a SuperPi 1M run on 468 x 9 with everything AUTO (back then :p: ). And it was running 100% good...

Also I did test the max FSB with all AUTO settings, and I could get 470 x 7 stable. Don't ask me what I can achieve when I set the voltages myself, but I think it can be higher then 470 ...

Anyway, I'm going to test a little more, and keep hoping for a better BIOS :yepp: .



That's the same as I thought...
I can run 438 FSB with 1.51 vNB, and then 445 NOT with 1.65 vNB, so I think it's to much ...

Also one thing, more then 1.75V on PLL for 24/7 use is bad ?

EDIT:

I'm right now on 434 x 9 with the same voltages as I use for my 423 x 9 setup.
So far it is doing good....

CPU : 434 x 9 (3.9Ghz)
MEM : 520Mhz (4-4-4-12 tRD 7)

PLL : 1.56 V
NB : 1.51 V
FSB : 1.46 V
SB : 1.075 V
CPU GTL : .63x
NB GTL : .67x
SB 1.5V : 1.5 V

Strap 333Mhz
PCI-e 105Mhz
TB Disabled (0)

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1,75PLL is quiet a lot for 24/7. I would try to not to come above 1,70V for PLL. I am using "Auto" for PLL and it`s 1,68V in biosmonitor at 450x8 and the board already gives to much at "Auto".