The Fermi Thread - Part 3

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03-24-2010, 12:58 AM
emertX

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Originally Posted by Chickenfeed

I agree with your estimations of a 5870OC / 5890 however where the hell did you pull this 920-935@1.15V number from :confused: I've used 4 different 5870s ( one of which is my own ) and not a single one claims such a feat ( I doubt they'd do 850 at 1.15 for that matter ) AMD have even upped the stock voltage from 1.168-1.172 on the reference bios to improve stability.

If anything they needed 1.2 (mine needs 1.237) best case to get 925. Now this isn't to say with improvements it couldn't be done but this just doesn't seem indictive of reference launch cards ( the cards I've used were all revision 1 with initial bios, all tested in 2009 ) Sure a 4 card sample isn't huge however they were all from different vendors and all consistent in how much voltage they seemed to play nice with (or not). Anyways just a pety thing to kick dust up at, just found this statement to be a tad up in the air is all.

I'd love to see a 5890 with at least 950/1300 clocks coupled with 2GB of memory. That should offer a 5-15% performance bump over a 5870. Going by the leaks so far, this would be more than enough to challenge the 480s. Given those supposive 512sp leaks were at 2560x1600, in some cases with 8x AA, im shocked the 5870 doesnt fare worse with its vram handicap. Should bode well for a future ATI refresh.

My 5890!
:D:D:D
http://www.abload.de/thumb/graka2252u.png
:D:D:D

You must even choose the good ones man!
03-24-2010, 12:58 AM
LordEC911

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Originally Posted by eric66

disassembling ? is that what reviewers do all day with fermi ? wonder what they want to find inside the card gold or something

I love it. Tells us a lot about the card, especially with such a nice camera like the one that was used.
03-24-2010, 01:01 AM
zalbard

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Originally Posted by LordEC911

I love it. Tells us a lot about the card, especially with such a nice camera like the one that was used.

Yep. :yepp:
About the memory, VRM, cooling, voltage points... Very useful! :up:
03-24-2010, 01:03 AM
saaya

the heatsink design looks very nice... looks like you can remove the heatsink and leave shroud, mem sink and vrm sink and everything else on, so going h2o or mounting a bigger heatsink should be really easy and fast...
in that regard nvidia did a really good job...
03-24-2010, 01:19 AM
leszy

Hello all.
I'm not sure, but I am afraid that with this cooling, 5870 could work with 1000MHz stock clock. For only 50$ more? Is this ATI idea for competition?
03-24-2010, 01:56 AM
[XC] Oj101

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Originally Posted by leszy

Hello all.
I'm not sure, but I am afraid that with this cooling, 5870 could work with 1000MHz stock clock. For only 50$ more? Is this ATI idea for competition?

And with the i7 965 cooler, a Celeron 352 can run at 5GHz. Stop comparing clock speeds of different architectures ;)
03-24-2010, 02:02 AM
gurusan

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Originally Posted by eric66

disassembling ? Is that what reviewers do all day with fermi ? Wonder what they want to find inside the card gold or something

quoting massive pics = fail
03-24-2010, 02:03 AM
eric66

Quote:

Originally Posted by leszy

Hello all.
I'm not sure, but I am afraid that with this cooling, 5870 could work with 1000MHz stock clock. For only 50$ more? Is this ATI idea for competition?

yeah... imagine that for 7 months they sat around table and all that they could think was ocing 5870 :rolleyes:
03-24-2010, 02:05 AM
eric66

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Originally Posted by gurusan

quoting massive pics = fail

quoting person just to say that is even more fail :ROTF:
03-24-2010, 02:19 AM
pentium777

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Originally Posted by eric66

quoting person just to say that is even more fail :ROTF:

Quoting person that quoted other person just to point out it was even more fail is epic / ultimate / infinite fail.
03-24-2010, 02:46 AM
Yakyb

out of interest how long until we see something to go up against the 5770
03-24-2010, 02:49 AM
Mk

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Originally Posted by Yakyb

out of interest how long until we see something to go up against the 5770

2 to 3 months maybe less....GF110 is taped out
03-24-2010, 03:22 AM
LesGrossman

I don't see Charlie backpeddling, but i see a lot of backpeddling from a lot of people on this thread, including out of the thread for some time now type of backpeddling.

Fermi is even worse then i though, and that's why i stopped making fun of nvidia, cause in the end i always thought a decent card would come up, so it was ok to make fun of the announcements of the announcements.

All amd needs to do is a 2gb 5870\50 with a couple more mhz, and 5970 can remain at 700$.

Fermi = Nvidia K10
03-24-2010, 03:35 AM
Marios

Leadtek 470 & 480
03-24-2010, 03:43 AM
sxs112

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Msi gtx480
03-24-2010, 03:47 AM
cegras

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Originally Posted by kemo

Yeap , my HD4850 went up to 110C Shader and 116C MemIO while running OCCT stress test for few minutes and still running till today with no problem at all

Is that is part of the Metal heatsink showing on the surface , if so then adding a 120mm will get some nice temps and no need to run the stock fan at high speed

120mm fan in this case won't do anything. You have that big cheese grill blocking the whole fin array, and then the centrifugal fan will be next to useless. The whole heatsinks setup is designed to take advantage of airflow along the card's axis.
03-24-2010, 03:53 AM
GoldenTiger

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Originally Posted by sxs112

Msi gtx480

Source: http://product.pcpop.com/000267783/Index.html

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msi MSI N480GTX-M2D15 graphics core of the main parameters: Geforce GTX 480 Memory Type: GDDR5 core frequency: 700MHz Memory Capacity: 1536MB Memory Frequency: 3696MHz Memory Interface: 384bit interface type: PCI Express X16 2.0 Rapid Positioning: fundamental parameters Other parameters of the basic parameters desktop-class graphics card properties
Geforce GTX 480 graphics core
GF100 core code
Core manufacturer NVIDIA

Graphics core 40-nanometer process
RAMDAC Frequency 400MHz
View the graphics core frequency of 700MHz quote
Memory bandwidth 177.408GB / s
memory frequency of 3696MHz
type of GDDR5 memory
Memory Package FBGA
memory capacity of 1536MB
memory interface 384bit
480 stream processing units
frequency of 1401MHz Stream Processing
Interface Type PCI Express X16 2.0
Maximum resolution of 2560 × 1600
Other parameters HDCP cooling fan + heatsink means
Display Interface Dual-DVI + Mini HDMI LCD Monitor Price view
3D API DirectX 11
Multi-card technology SLI (Super Power) Technology
03-24-2010, 03:54 AM
onethreehill

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Sapphire HD 5870 TOXIC 2GB Review

Clock speeds: 925MHz/5,000MHz

http://img.hexus.net/v2/graphics_car...58702GB/03.png
We take a look at the Sapphire Radeon HD 5870 TOXIC 2GB just before GTX 480 launches. Let's see how much it beats up on all current competition and conjecture whether it stands a good chance against you-know-what....

The results are not a mistake. A 2GB frame-buffer enables the Radeon HD 5870 GPU to breathe when really taxed. Indeed, it's faster than a Radeon HD 5970 - a card that has to share its frame-buffer between the GPUs.

A near-30 per cent performance increase over a generic HD 5870 is down to more than just clock-speed, clearly.

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=23079
03-24-2010, 03:58 AM
GoldenTiger

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Originally Posted by onethreehill

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=23079

As the quote says... it's the RAM that matters there.
03-24-2010, 04:06 AM
Florinmocanu

yes, and a 2 GB 5870/4GB 5970 , OC editions will probably be the best cards for 2560/1600
03-24-2010, 04:15 AM
Picao84

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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger

Source: http://product.pcpop.com/000267783/Index.html

SLI (Super Power) Technology?

Didnt the guy who leaked some info about GF100 (some of the info turned out wrong), as an ex-nvidia employee, told something about a new SLI method?
03-24-2010, 04:23 AM
japamd

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Originally Posted by Picao84

SLI (Super Power) Technology?

Didnt the guy who leaked some info about GF100 (some of the info turned out wrong) told something about a new SLI method?

I guess it's has something to do with power savings, like ULPS on Radeon cards, so on SLI rigs unused GPUs will be almost powered down to save energy when not needed.
03-24-2010, 04:29 AM
Picao84

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Originally Posted by japamd

I guess it's has something to do with power savings, like ULPS on Radeon cards, so on SLI rigs one GPU will be almost powered down to save energy when not needed.

Oh :(
Party Pooper! :p:
03-24-2010, 04:59 AM
MrDiaz

http://futuremark.yougamers.com/foru...70&postcount=1

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Thanks to a "certain" friend of mine who's under the NDA, i've had a quick look at nVidia FTP with pics, "reviewer's guides", drivers an most improtantly a whole plethora of the GTX470/480 benchmarks against the HD5850 and HD5870 and from what i've seen, the GTX480 beats the HD5870 easily by 25% on average. Sometimes it's 10% sometimes 50-60% but the GTX480 always wins.

They used the 10.2 ATi cats for their comparison by the way.

So yeah, don't read too hard into certain people's fear mongering anti-nVidia BS.
03-24-2010, 05:03 AM
mindfury

"reviewer's guides":rofl::rofl::rofl:It doesnt make any sense like those PR PPTs...

Chiphell's nApoleon has reviewed GTX480.He expected it would have 20% more performance than HD5870 at least,but its performance disappointed him.

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