Zen is running his ram at 2.26 volts (bios) unless he has changed something
Zen is running his ram at 2.26 volts (bios) unless he has changed something
This was caused by the processor. Some of you may remember that I got a new board and continued to have the problem. It APPEARED as though all I had to do was hold the power switch for five seconds to restart after a failed BIOS restart. Despite 8 hours stable, other instabilities became evident. I got a new E8400, and that seems to have returned everything to normal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dostoyevsky77
Just an FYI in case someone else has the same problem and suspects the board.
Very odd mate ....Quote:
Originally Posted by masska
I got this mobo as I thought this would allow me to get the most out of my q6600 and ram , and thats why I got a gx2 over SLi - to suit this mobo and combo . The issues with this are getting too much - the cold boots , ram issues and fsb limitations they impose - I hope they sort out a nice fast bios for us before I sell up . I would like to see a 4870x2 or a 9900GTX on this , unless I sell up first .
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I wouldnt sell up just yet aussie, I know this board has got some issues but its mainly to certain brands of ram (namely Crucial).Apart from that I think its a great mobo and with the right ram and bios, this thing works really well and very stable.I've had no issues with it except the ram. My Tracers should be comming back in a couple of days.I'll give them another go with the 1201 bios, and see how she goes. If it kills my sticks again, I'll toss the Tracers and get some OCZ or Corsair.At least I know there is no issues with these and lots of guys & gals are getting very decent numbers.
Yeah I would rather hold onto this mobo and sort it right out in time for new vid cards release.
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Your ram must be slightly better than mine won't boot higher than 1192 and whats crazy is it hates the 8x multiQuote:
Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs
Everyone keeps saying this. Exactly what sticks are you guys talking about?(I'm not saying it's NOT an issue, just wanting to know what sticks in particular) The single sided 8 chip PC8500 are terrible for sure, but that's on any board. I just popped a pair of double sided Ballistix PC8500's batch 16fd5 in and they run great at 1300DDR(650Mhz), I benched with them all night and I didn't even start tightening up timings. I did have to manually adjust the skew.Quote:
I know this board has got some issues but its mainly to certain brands of ram (namely Crucial).
http://home.comcast.net/~aicjofs/everest.jpg
What does bug me is that I just can't get 45nm CPU stable at 450MHZ FSB, 440-450 seems to be about the max I can get and even that is hardly stable. So I am forced to drop way down to 430 range for stability(something that will Prime for at least 8 hours)
http://home.comcast.net/~aicjofs/superpi.jpg
2.26 bios 2.35 real (max rated voltage for my ram) :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
WOW Excellent. I just wished you posted this 1-2 days earlier and I would have had these cherry picked sticks in my apt.Quote:
Originally Posted by aicjofs
And the other voltages ? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ZenEffect
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Heh...sorry my Ballistix only come out to play on special benching occasions...lol. They stay in a drawer until bench time. I have 4 of the 16fd5's and I can't sell them to anyone(for a reasonable price anyway) because no one wants to buy them after all the bad publicity(and rightfully so, way too many sticks of the PC8500 died around the world)Quote:
I just wished you posted this 1-2 days earlier and I would have had these cherry picked sticks in my apt.
ok, i'm stuck, hopefully some of you guys can point me in the right direction. I started doing a serious attempt at methodically overclocking my q6600 g0 to 3.8. I got my first glimpse of stability at 5 hours prime95 doing small fft's. I'm running the rampage 0308 bios. Here's my last stable settings (they're not complete, but you get the general idea)
FSB - 423
Multiplier - 9
Strap - Auto
Memory clock - 846, timings on auto (5-5-5-15)
Clock twister - lighter
no other settings fiddled with, except loadline callibration on to help vdroop and both spread spectrums disabled.
cpu voltage - 1.50625
Nb - 1.53
FSBT - 1.52
DRAM - 2.01
cpuPLL - 1.62
^^ these are the values set in bios, btw.
So I got 5 hours with those settings before a BSOD. I thought I would up the FSBT to 1.54, so I did, and then only got 2 hours before a crash. I don't know what is keeping me back. Can someone please help me out? I know I can be stable at 3.8, i just don't remember my old "sweet spot" settings.
edit: my memory is 2x1gb sticks of crucial ballistix tracers 8500. i don't think any of my other components come into play here.
Extreme TweakerQuote:
Originally Posted by jVIDIA
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 450
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 400
PCI-E Frequency: 110
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1200
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 18
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 50
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3
Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6
Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 5
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 5
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Strong
Transaction Booster : Manual
Common Performance Level [6]
Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled
CPU Voltage : 1.56875
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.62
North Bridge Voltage : 1.59
DRAM Voltage : 2.26
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.56
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.67X
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67X
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2-REF
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : Auto
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5
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Wow!!! I just need to point out to those complaining of Crucials going bad too soon on any mobo is often this, set too high BIOS vdimm, knowing this mobo overvolts, and not cooling propperly. and since most are just stressing the rig 24/7 till it dies, no wonder. If thats what you like, cool. Racers do it, build an engine for 1 race and do it again next week. If you can afford it, go for it, just for the scores. I'm speaking mainly of the Crucials, but 3.5v is way much for any D9 or RAM for that matter w/o good cooling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
Where do you read the batch # (sticker or PCB, or iC's), cause I got 2 good sets too, and just wanna note for the record. Do you know what chip IC #s yours has? I do know mine are the early double sided 16 ic black PCB. I will state that the stock aluminum cooling is poor for what they need. I replaced w/ ThermalRight HR-07 quickly, since the aluminum models were barely making contact with half the ic's. Again, as I stated way back, this was a big issue, but easily solved. I too can hit 1300MHz but 1266 is more steady for heat and vdimm. Just cool to know they can. I never needed more then 2.28v w/ trd 60 to 1266MHz. 2.22v @ 1153MHz trd 50.Quote:
Originally Posted by aicjofs
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs
Many Crucial ram kits are dying with NO overclock even running below stock volts. The web is full of these reports. I do agree with you that 2.26 bios 3.5 actual is way to high for 24/7 use for a few hundred points in Everest. In a real world enviroment you could not tell personally from 1200 ram to 1080 ram, even 900 ram running 4-4-4-12 would be very close.
However this is EXTREME Systems not Mediocre Systems
Yes, the crucial single sides dimms are just plain crap. They are very often appearing doa or crapping out after normal use(no ocing). It is a pretty sad day when you say crucial and as an enthusiast say stay way. I really can't wait until they start producing better dimms.
I dont know about the others but my Tracers were at stock when they died.I never had the chance to OC them.There's too many people having issues with these OC'd or not to take notice. I was speaking to one of the techs at Crucial yesterday and he admitted they've had heaps of RMA's on the x38 and Maximus, now thats not to say they are all bad, maybe its a bad batch or simply a bios issue like he said. I'm expecting my returns anyday and I'll have another go with them.The last thing I want to do is get rid of them (love those leds:yepp:) but if they give me problems again with this new bios, I will toss them:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs
can anyone help me with my 3.8 overclock? I posted my settings up a few posts ago, was wondering if some of the regular posters in this thread could give a few tips.
Sorry for the late resonse, haven't been online for a few days.. I have the exact same problem w/ a USB 1.1 HID device I'm developing, it would drop the connection randomly once or twice over an evening. Moved it to the 2nd case port and it worked ever since. BIOS 1004, haven't tried 1201 yet. Not using S3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs
These are my settings for 3.825Ghz and 8GB on Max Formula running with RF bios 0401 (highly recommended):Quote:
Originally Posted by MurderCityDevil
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 425
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 266
PCI-E Frequency: 110
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1066 (4:5) or you can sett to DDR2 850 (for 1:1)
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : Auto (for 52, can't be set manually in bios)
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3
Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6
Write to PRE Delay : 14
Read to PRE Delay : 5
PRE to PRE Delay : 1
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : 6
ALL PRE to REF Delay : 6
DRAM Static Read Control: Auto
Ai Clock Twister : Auto
Transaction Booster : Manual
Common Performance Level [6]
Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled
CPU Voltage : 1.5250
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.50 (had it at 1.66 at one time, I guess it had no effect)
North Bridge Voltage : 1.65 ( a little high because I'm running Oc'ed 8GBs at 1066.
DRAM Voltage : 2.1v
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.38
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.67X
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67X
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : Auto
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5
Hope this helps. :up:
1.52 seems pretty high for a E8400 @ 3.8GHz isn't it? My E3110 could do 4GHz with 1.3. Does the X38 chipset require more voltage clock-for-clock compared to say the P35 or P965?
I was wondering if that voltage sounds about right for my q6600 g0. The temps are awfully high, but I don't know if I'll be stable yet.
Think he's referring to Q6600 voltage settings Ghost Recon, hasn't updated his sig ( only 2gb ram there too)
hmmm I think I have my ram issues greatly improved now , passed memtest at 1081 where it wouldnt pass at 450 before , but its still unstable , I just want to bench at 4ghz (or 4.1 lol)
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I don't have to tell you this, but feel free to set according to your cpu's requirements.Quote:
Originally Posted by MurderCityDevil
Could you post your settings here for your current overclock?Quote:
Originally Posted by aussie-revhead
Leeghoofd is right; the settings above are for a quad, which even at 1.52v (CPU-Z), hardly tops 65C when priming small ffts.Quote:
Originally Posted by ghost_recon88
Check out what my E8400 needs for 4Ghz in the screenshot, :cool:
Hoep ya clocking with only 2 dimms then Aussie... way easier to get there... but I know you are a tough bloke and like it the hard wayQuote:
Originally Posted by aussie-revhead
hahaha yeah its two sticks for now , I will get settings up shortly .
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I tried more vcore up to 1.65 and it didnt make any different (bsod as soon as load hits). I tried spectrums disabled, I tried setting both GTL manually to max , didnt help. I enabled transaction booster at 3 and got no boot , put it back to auto and booted again.Quote:
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : Crazy (lol- of course)
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 450
FSB Strap to North Bridge : auto
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1081
DRAM Command Rate : auto
DRAM Timing Control: auto
CAS# Latency :
RAS# to CAS# Delay :
RAS# Precharge :
RAS# ActivateTime :
RAS# to RAS# Delay :
Row Refresh Cycle Time :
Write Recovery Time :
Read to Precharge Time :
Read to Write Delay (S/D) :
Write to Read Delay (S) :
Write to Read Delay (D) :
Read to Read Delay (S) :
Read to Read Delay (D) :
Write to Write Delay (S) :
Write to Write Delay (D) :
DRAM Static Read Control: auto
Ai Clock Twister : auto
Transaction Booster : auto
CPU Voltage : 1.59375 (I tried up to 1.65)
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.70 (actual was 1.84 but still bsod so I reduced it)
North Bridge Voltage : 1.51
DRAM Voltage : 2.3 (actual 2.416)
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.50
South Bridge Voltage : 1.15
Loadline Calibration : auto
CPU GTL Reference : auto
North Bridge GTL Reference : auto
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : auto
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : auto
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : auto
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.65
NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED :
CPU Spread Spectrum : auto
PCIE Spread Spectrum : auto
Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
C1E Suppport : auto
CPU TM Function : auto
Vanderpool Technology : auto
Execute Disable Bit : auto
Max CPUID Value Limit : auto
USB Configuration
USB Functions: Enabled
Legacy USB Support : Disabled <--- ? its enabled.
I tried manually setting multi low and fsb to 500 and got zillions of memtest errors in test 7 , so I set everything to stock and bumped mem speed only to 1066 and it passed. There is also a mem setting for 1200 but with ** on it so I tried all stock with 1200 mem speed and it only got 5 errors in two passes in test 4 , thats with no tweaking and everything on auto so Im sure I could get that stable if need be , but cpu isnt stable anyway .
Any help would be great.
Aussie-Revhead, try this:
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : Auto
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 445
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 266
PCI-E Frequency: 110
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-890
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 4
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 4
RAS# Precharge : 4
RAS# ActivateTime : 4
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 2
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 20
Write Recovery Time : 3
Read to Precharge Time : 3
Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 7
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6
DRAM Static Read Control: auto
Ai Clock Twister : auto
Transaction Booster : auto
CPU Voltage : 1.625v
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.66
North Bridge Voltage : 1.65 (bios set, you can reduce later)
DRAM Voltage : 2.3 (actual 2.416) You may need to reduce this a little bit
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.54
South Bridge Voltage : 1.100
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : x63
North Bridge GTL Reference : x67
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : auto
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : auto
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : auto
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.65
NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED :
CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled
Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : auto
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled
I highly recommend you do the rampage mod to 0401. That is where I found the most stability.
I will try those , thanks mate , but last time I tried pcie at anything above 100 I get a POST hang at VGA BIOS stage , looks like my vid card doesnt like it . I benched at 9x443 but it was not stable at all , just enough to bench .
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You can use the same settings for 9x450, though you may need to adjust voltages accordingly. Goodluck.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussie-revhead
Is there a safe easy way to do this ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
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Many of you seem to run Q6600 at 1.50+v in bios and NBV at 1.6+. I need cpuv 1.5 which is 1.48v in everest and nbv 1.55 which is 1.58v to run my Q6600 @ 9x425. Although i run games, internet etc stable, prime is not stable at all and sadly i seem to need more than 1.5v real for cpuv. What i would like to ask is how safe is it to run a quad at 1.50+ real and nb at 1.60+ real for 24/7 use.
Well batch is somewhat misleading since on the stickers there is a batch number, but most people here talk about a batch using:Quote:
Where do you read the batch # (sticker or PCB, or iC's), cause I got 2 good sets too, and just wanna note for the record. Do you know what chip IC #s yours has? I do know mine are the early double sided 16 ic black PCB. I will state that the stock aluminum cooling is poor for what they need. I replaced w/ ThermalRight HR-07 quickly, since the aluminum models were barely making contact with half the ic's. Again, as I stated way back, this was a big issue, but easily solved. I too can hit 1300MHz but 1266 is more steady for heat and vdimm. Just cool to know they can. I never needed more then 2.28v w/ trd 60 to 1266MHz. 2.22v @ 1153MHz trd 50.
http://www.crucial.com/support/identify_parts.aspx
Look at the bottom picture, last digits after period...in the example it's 16fd3. 16 is 16 chips(double sided), 8 for single sided.
I have no idea what IC these are, probably D9GMH, but since I thought they stopped making it awhile ago, maybe not. To be honest I can never keep the memory sorted for the micron D9's...GMH, GKX, HNL, etc, etc. I think you can measure the size of the chip to tell the IC... I'm sure the answer is here somewhere.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=D9GMH&page=28
General consensus is 10% above vid .
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For 24/7 I usually subscribe to the theory of disminishing returns. If you need around .1 to .075 more volts to eek out 100 more Mhz it's just not worth more volts and more heat on a 24/7 machine.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaosAD
That said, your water cooling looks to be adequate, I would say around 1.55 to 1.57 24/7 if you have reasonable temperatures. But that's only my opinion...in fact personally I stay at 1.5V on 24/7(benching is an ENTIRELY different story though hehe :D)
I see people running the chipset at 1.65v all the time, from the Intel data sheet that's way over the "absolute max" voltage.(I have read that 1.9V is around the absolute max people have pumped through it with elaborate cooling) I'd top out at 1.65v for it for 24/7, question is...is it really that the north bridge needs that much voltage for 9x425 or do you need a tweak somewhere else. High voltage on the north bridge has a larger role in multiplier, memory stabilty with more modules, higher speeds or tighter timings. I don't think you need more northbridge V then what you have judging by your sig unless you are pulling in some really tight timings on the RAM(Trd or something), I think your instabilty might be elsewhere.
I guess my coolong is ok. Priming at 9x425 @ 1.48v real, CoreTemp report max 53C while it idles around 33C for the hottest core. So maybe maxing cpuv at 1.5v real is ok for 24/7.Quote:
Originally Posted by aicjofs
Af far as the NBv i ll try to post my full bios setting because what u see in my sig is the setup for 3.6Ghz not for 3.825 that i refer to. :rolleyes:
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 425
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 400
PCI-E Frequency: 105
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1133
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : Auto
Row Refresh Cycle Time : Auto
Write Recovery Time : Auto
Read to Precharge Time : Auto
Read to Write Delay (S/D) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (S) : Auto
Read to Read Delay (D) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (S) : Auto
Write to Write Delay (D) : Auto
Write to PRE Delay : Auto
Read to PRE Delay : Auto
PRE to PRE Delay : Auto
ALL PRE to ACT Delay : Auto
ALL PRE to REF Delay : Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Moderate
Transaction Booster : Manual
Common Performance Level [6]
Pull-In of CHA PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHA PH5 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH1 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH2 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH3 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH4 Disabled
Pull-In of CHB PH5 Disabled
CPU Voltage : 1.48 (Real, bios 1.50)
CPU PLL Voltage : Auto
North Bridge Voltage : 1.53 (Reads 1.58 real)
DRAM Voltage : 1.98 (2.10 Real)
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.44 (Bios)
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.63X
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67X
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2-REF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5
These are the settings i m trying for the moment. Cpu idle @ 33C / load @ 53C. NB idle @ 38C / load @ 43C. Whatever recommendations are welcomed :)
2 ways to approach this.
1. Slow the RAM down, so you can figure out CPU and NB voltage for just 9x425. Then you'll have CPU volts, once you add RAM back to full speed you can figure what extra voltage might be need for NB.
or
2.) I'd give Zen's settings(linked below) a try from "DRAM timing control" on down. Change everything to his except maybe leave your NB voltage and DRAM voltage alone. Then put your CPU voltage wherever it needs to be and test stability. Then work backwards lowering voltages until stabilty is lost.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=5016
Try those settings ^^^^
Relax that RAM and back off the performance features for now untill you know your CPU mobo combo can do 500x7. It more then likely will, but too many peepz jump right into cranking the RAM to the gills w/ little room to breath. This is number one reason for many BSOD on high FSB attemps. If anything, use RAM settings to furtther relax to keep it out of the math for now. For 500FSB I need Static Read Control Enabled, but I'd try both. Also try to up the PCE to around 110~115 and SB voltages up a tad to help keep stable Usually 1.10v & 1.6v respectively.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussie-revhead
Guys Im running the set up in my sig, what should my RAM be set at for 400 FSB X 9 400 strap for the below settings for best performance.
DRAM Static Read Control: ?
Ai Clock Twister : ?
Transaction Booster : ?
Common Performance Level ?
I would set thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Sources
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual
Common Performance Level [6] 7 if your ram cant handle 6
If your running 1:1 you will find 4-4-4-12 will produce better bandwidth
should I run 1:1 at 4-4-4-12 800mhz or go to 5-5-5-15 1066mhz at 16:12Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
i was just wondering if you guys know what an instant bsod at load is indicative of. I tried to run 445x9 for 4.0ghz and no matter what voltages i try it gives an instant bsod as soon as I run prime. Any thoughts?
Test both and see, I would suspect that at 1:1 with tight timing it will perform about on par with 1066 so it will be more of a preference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sources
Most likely vcore, juice it up a notch or 2Quote:
Originally Posted by MurderCityDevil
for a stable 4.0 my quad needs
CPU Voltage : 1.55
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.60
North Bridge Voltage : 1.55
DRAM Voltage : 2.16
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.40
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.67X
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67X
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2-REF
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : Auto
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : Auto
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5
Guys since i cant seem to find a definite answer IS the 1201 Beta Bios better than the 1004 Beta Bios ? Personnal opinions ?
First post, massive Maximus/P5E to Rampage guide! :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by aussie-revhead
Lookin for help, currently @ 3.2GHz would like to go to 3.6Ghz maybe 4.0, my current set up is as follows
Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting :9
FSB Frequency : 360
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 266
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2- 1066
DRAM Command Rate :
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 12
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 4
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 5
Read to Precharge Time : 9
Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 5
Write to Read Delay (S) : 5
Write to Read Delay (D) :4
Read to Read Delay (S) : 6
Read to Read Delay (D) : 4
Write to Write Delay (S) : 6
Write to Write Delay (D) : DRAM Static Read Control:disabled
Ai Clock Twister : auto
Transaction Booster :disabled
CPU Voltage : 1.2625
CPU PLL Voltage : auto
North Bridge Voltage : 1.25
DRAM Voltage : 1.90
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.22
South Bridge Voltage :
Loadline Calibration :
CPU GTL Reference :
North Bridge GTL Reference :
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage :
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage :
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage :
SB 1.5V Voltage :
NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED :
CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled
Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting :
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled
USB Configuration
USB Functions: Enabled
when ever i bump up to 400 FSB w/9x, I cant seem to find stable voltage for cpu & N/B even if I start in auto and work back froim there, There must be something I'm missing, just not sure where to look. I if anyone has a 3.6Ghz setup on air please let me know your settings so I have a better a starting point
I will really appreciate it
thanks
my guess would be the 266 strap is what is causing instabilities. use the 333 or just put it on auto and choose the desired ram frequency for 400fsb.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ric2L
Try These:
Good luck,Quote:
Originally Posted by Ric2L
XT
For real world performance, the 1:1 w/ @ cl4 is a bit better then cl5 at only 1066, now if @ 1200 @ cl5 as in 5-5-5-18, then you'll see big difference in acores as wel as performance. If at 400FSB airm for 1200 (3:2) or close to it. You will need 2.24v for over 1175MHz if relaxing trd to 50~55.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sources
My 1st guess will be too much stressing on DRAM performance boosting and tigh timings. 2md is as the guys above mentioned, except if he was reffering to actual voltages, some more then needed, and a few not enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by MurderCityDevil
Try.. more vcore, few Q6600's need up to 1.58~1.6v, PLL: of at least 1.632v but up to 1.712, FSBT of 1.42v~ but as much as 1.48v (1.504v on the 8x), NB shouldnt need more then 1.504 at such a mild FSB of only 400, but6 if on a divider. SB: 1.05~1.075v, SB_1.5: 1.5~1.55v and PCIE to 110 for starters.
This is an average starting point. Just remeber to keep RAM out of it as much as possable till you know it's stable. You're just gonna end up crashing it so often and corrupt your OS install.
Just take it one step at a time. All voltages as actual reported.
Right, consecutive BSOD due to Prime/OCCT stress tests may corrupt your OS.
That's why I'm using my 2nd comp to type this msg while my primary PC is doing Prime Blend under safe mode environment. ;)
This is even trickier if on RAID 0 since we have no 2nd SATA controller to boot w/ to get into Intel RAID set to service. Well more easier if only using SATA RAID 1 or RAID Ready in AHCI mode cause you do need to have it enabled but can boot to other SATA controller to add iostar driver and repair. I still use an old Promice TX2 for that and actas my eSATA when not needed. I also found that asside from SATA drivers, the chipset INF and GPU get out of wack too and is best to uninstall and reinstall them each in order of RAID, INF, and GPU. then back up reg or at least set system restore and do a few clean restarts at stable profile. Also, uppon 1st BSOD or crash of any, restart and allow to enter safe mode to make sure it can load basic drivers before loading Windos nromal mode. Not always 100% but sure limits the corruption and hard crashing, especially due to RAM tweaking more then anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by XtremeTiramisu
Hope this helps!
Thank You, started with your suggested settings, ran prime for 2 hrs, everything good. bumped vcore & n/b volt down two notches, so far so good, will let prime overnight, maybe lower a little more if still stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by XtremeTiramisu
would be nice to get ram back to 1066 or better, with 333 strap only have option of 960 or 1280, running at 960 now, 1280 is to much for my ram I think, will have to play with it after I'm sure that I'm stable at lowest possible voltages
Calling all X2 dual GPU video card and Maxiums overclockers!
Anybody get this card working smoothly with a PCIE OC of 115~120MHz w/o any OC to GPU core? I wanna' get a new ATI and interested in the X2 but not willing to back off my OC for it so it's this or the single HD3870, of min 512 GDDR4 w/ HDMI out w/ HD audio to my external DTS reciever.
I'm only askinf because I heard a few claiming issues with the x2 on high PCIE overclocks, not sure if it was w/ the nVidia or ATI more so. Please share your results?
I run 115mhz 24/7 without issue...high chipset voltages causes video issues tho.
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting :10
FSB Frequency : 400
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 400
PCI-E Frequency: 115
DRAM Frequency: 1066
DRAM Command Rate : 2N
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 55
Write Recovery Time : 8
Read to Precharge Time : 3
Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) :5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6
DRAM Static Read Control: enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Strong
Transaction Booster : disabled
Level: 0
CPU Voltage : 1.3
CPU PLL Voltage : 1.5
North Bridge Voltage : 1.35
DRAM Voltage : 1.96
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.2
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : auto
North Bridge GTL Reference : auto
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : auto
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5v
4x 1gb Micron 8FE5, BIOS 1201
For the 2x 1g kit of OCZ FLEX series, what does the FLEX II bring to the table for us overclockers over the older set? I understand the trd is spd programmed to 50 even if BIOS has no setting for it 9ie: our MF stock official BIOS). But if XLC is used with beta can they match performance.
What can the FLEX II in 2x 2g offer over the other big names in the PC2-8500 and up speds?
Who knows of the app used to flash RAM ic's to fix certain sub timings as read by BIOS in auto, ie: the more relaxed trd of 50 for BIOS that only allow 42? I saw it done on SODIMM so why not descktop?
Anyone knows what is the maximum safe temp for the x38/x48 ?
Do you gain much by raising pcie freq ? I tried a couple of times but anything above 100 and I get POST hang at VGA BIOS detection , I guess my gx2 doesnt like it , but if there is a gain to be had then I will try some more incremental jumps .
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It depends .... for me with a low PL if I don't raise the PCI-e frequency my system doesn't boot at all.
YES, for my height of OC and FSB. If I dont at least up it to 110MHz while at 480~500, certain devices get buggy on me such as USB, and sometime LAN. I am not doing it for GPU purposes, just for high FSB. I can go as low as 105 at 480 but on BETA v1004, some USB ports drop outor they dont resume on time w/ others from S3/S4 (when S3 did work on other BIOS). Even LAN might not awake. I know weird.Quote:
Originally Posted by aussie-revhead
Thanks Zucker , I tried that and its the first time I have seen it restart from bios without cold boot but it rebooted as soon as prime load set in . Its very hot too , two cores up over 70 degrees ... so I guess that needs more work. I tried again with a few different things and still reboots when load hits , so I will keep fiddling .Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
Got it bro , might give it a go shortly I reckon.Quote:
Originally Posted by kup
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Yeah mate I do 95% of my benching at 1:1 , I was only testing to see if the ram was holding me back in that case. Im trying everything to get this stable at 4ghz , being a L737B it should be capable .Quote:
Originally Posted by nucking_futs
I just set my bios to Zuckers settings , rebooted a few times and lost the lot .... sux when you dont remember everything , lucky though I have a kvm so I can just keep flipping back and forth to copy settings ...
:clap:
Also , I was priming last night as I wanted a good basic stable clock to run it when not benching . It holds prime stable at 8x400 with 1.3v so I tried with 1.25v as its got a low VID and should be able to go lower , but one core failed in an hour while the others were still going the next morning , what causes this ? and how do I compensate ? If only I could add juice to just one core ....
:rolleyes:
Another question , should I do the droop mod ? Many of my voltages over volt already , will this only affect vcore ?
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Well what you can try to do is adjust the CPU GTL to 63-67% and see if that helps.
I tried auto amd max but same end result . I just tried Ai clock twister set to strong and transaction booster disabled and instead of rebooting in prime the cores just failed one by one , so its an improvement though still a long way off but it wouldnt reboot with POST stuck at dram det so I lost the lot again ....
This mobo is certainly a challenge .
:shakes:
OK my Maximus Formula is now a Rampage Formula :clap:
Im using 0401 bios and am back to testing 3200 again , I might just get that stable first (with low volts).
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The amount of excellent information in this thread is astounding. Looking forward to playing around with skew.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renegade5399
In my experience 63 is stable for 45nm. 67 is stable for 65nm. Personally, I have found raising the bandwidth of the PCIe to 101-104 has a direct effect on stability of OC, 110 refuses to work for me period (maybe my 3870??).
I shall post my settings soon for 2G TX's & 8G G.Skill. Stay tuned. :up:
Hi Guys, well just got the P5E, kinda long thread to go through so i got couple questions
1. Whats the benefit of flashing it to MF or Rampage? Is htere Bios settings or something that P5E doesnt have?
2. If i dont mod it to MF whats the best P5E bios?
3. I asked this in the modding section but noone answered, what is the finnal targer resistance needed for a quad on the vDroop mod?
thanks
Quote:
Originally Posted by Millyons
1. The most important difference between the two is tRD or Performance Level. This is implicitly controlled in the MF BIOS through the transaction booster, but the RF not only gives direct control over this, but can allow phase "pull-ins", which basically allow you to run different RAM/FSB phases at the nominated performance level minus one. Using this added feature, many of us are able to run our RAM near DDR3 SPEEDS. A very in-depth article explains the brute power of this additional flexibility. It begins on this page: AnandTech Article. It is recommended reading even if you don't flash Rampage because it really goes into fabulous detail about NB, RAM, and FSB. Everything you wanted to know but were afraid to ask, basically.
2. There's a good thread about the P5E HERE. It has BIOS information.
3. I'm not following this question, sorry.
I've had no issues at 110 on mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs
Thanks dostroyevsky Im going to read that article , it might help me to understand some of the multitude of bios options in my MF/RF.
So 0308 really is better than 0401 ? Cant find a link to 0308 bios .... can someone point me to it ? ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Millyons
I believe he is asking if you pencil mod for Vdroop, what is the measured resistance with a multimeter across the resistor....I wondered this myself when I read the first post...I find load line calibration enabled adequate myself, but when you do pencil mods it's nice to know target resistance so you don't over do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dostoyevsky77
Dostoyevsky, that bandwidth is sick!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dostoyevsky77
Is that on 24/7 settings?
What PL and what Pull-Ins are you using for that?
First post in this thread. Under Rampage conversion. Step 3 has all of the BIOS.Quote:
Originally Posted by jVIDIA
I find 0401 and 0308 equally good from overclocking standpoint. Not sure about S3 as I don't use it, but that is something some members keep looking for, no dea if 0401 did anything for it.
I still see no compelling reason to update from 0308 to 0401.
Thanks ill check out the links, i have been out of the loop for a while, even got the x38 cause of the rocketraid 3520 and 4 wd640gb not cause crossfireQuote:
Originally Posted by Dostoyevsky77
Yap, exacly what im asking, i would like to know the final resistance before i assemble everything, dont have the space to test it out of the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by aicjofs
With loadline, what kind of a vdoop do you get?
For loadline enabled I get this on 2 different boards
qx6700 at 3.8-3.6Ghz on Maximus around .01
qx9650 at 4.5Ghz on Maximus SE around .02 to .025, which is a little more then I like normally, however since the 45nm is less tolerant of voltage I don't mind a little droop to prevent overshoot returning from load to idle.
Im currently priming at 3200 just to find a nice stable 24/7 clock with low volts . With loadline enabled and vcore set to 1.25v in bios , cpu-z is showing 1.232v loaded , so thats pretty decent . Next time Im running at max overclock I will check again though I think it drops a little more at higher voltages.
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Following Intel datasheets, X38 has a max of 92° and X48 of 85°.Quote:
Originally Posted by jVIDIA
They are absolute max values.
I think till 60-65° 24/7 it is safe to operate.
Quote:
Originally Posted by aicjofs
Quote:
Originally Posted by aussie-revhead
thanks guys, i might not even bother with the mod then, on the ga p35-ds3p i got now i get 1.248 on idle and 1.216 on small fft load, so at least asus doesnt seem worse than that if not better at least, thaught it had a bigger drop than that.
Reaching out for help.
I tried some of the templates on the first post, but I can't get mine to OC at all. It kept saying OC failed (something like that). Please forgive me, as I am still learning all this. :D
I made all the changes, but when I go to the CPU advanced Configuration, my CPU information never changes. It always shows 2.4GHz.
Can anyone help me? Anyone with similiar hardware can post there settings? Thanks.
-hdpc
:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brama
I must find some way of cooling my Rampage without removing que stock cooling :rolleyes:
With 1,51v on the x48 I get 55ºC in full. Having a room temperature of 19ºC this is bad as the summer is comig soon :mad:
Hehe, thanks. But there's a lot more to it than just PL and pull-ins. It is my 24/7, and I stole most of what I know from Zucker and Grnfinger. A really high FSB in the 333 strap for 8:6 seems like the sweet spot with my RAM (and maybe the board???). I run at PL7 with no pull-ins. Pulling in phases 4 and 5 can POST, but not OS. Of course, the Ballistix are good even though it's not on the Crucial QVL. Some people have problems, but I've had nothing but success.Quote:
Originally Posted by zlojack
@ Millyons, sorry I don't know the answer to your question about the voltage. I really hope you read that article, though. It might convince you that the Rampage BIOS is worth flashing to. Once you have a USB drive dedicated to flashing BIOS, it becomes infinitely simple to flash to a new RF BIOS or flash back to MF BIOS. Honestly, it's almost as easy as EZFlash! Oh, and by the way, my sister lives in Beograde. She teaches English at a uni there; not sure which one. :p:
Hmm...
Well I can't run that FSB on my quad. I've got 421 FSB with 561 RAM
I'm on the 400 strap tRD 6 and tRFC 60 all pullins disabled with 8GB. I'm still pretty happy with my bandwidth, but yours is awesome!
I'm going to play a bit with my subtimings and see if I can squeeze a little more out of these awesome Corsair sticks.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...421FSB8GB2.png
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs
1200mhz produces much better at 5-5-5-14 for me.
Thanks Grn
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ric2L
I use the 400 strap to get 1066mhz
Since 0401 has loosen tREF to 3120 instead of 16383 memory latency will be loose also
and also bandwidth but no as much.
Sure will make more modules compatible since is jedec compatible (7.5-15us for tref => ~1600T-3120T)
I think i will go back to 0219 or 0308, since my ram have no problem with that.
At this time i have Linux and not windows on main rig so i have not seen how much is the difference.
My 3.3 q6600 passes 24 hour blend prime which i tested a month ago, but recently i guess due to weather not sure in game ive got bsod twice.
I didnt think weather could affect my stability so much. I think its the northbridge which is getting to hot and already got a spotcool fan pointed at it.
Im on bios 907 at the mo will i see any better stability or lower temps with one of the newer bios's?
Thanks.
the lowered Tref and other timings in 1201 helped lower chipset voltages quite a bit. otherwise...they are all basically the same.
Thanks, i still didnt get a chance but will soon, the usb flash is not a problem, have one set up for couple years now with all my bioses, i think i still might have the afudos i used on the p5b dlx on itQuote:
Originally Posted by Dostoyevsky77
thats nice, how does she like it here?
How do you make slash or backslash in DOS then? Alt gr does not work and all combinations differ from the ones I'm used to. Maybe that should be included in this guide?
I just type a forward slash or a backslash and it works?
Anyone see this yet?
New Maximus Formula II X48
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1210370479
drool
On my keyboard I have to type shift + 7 or + + alt gr to get slashes. I don't have any special keys to do so. I found out that alt + 92 can make a slash, but it is the wrong type...Quote:
Originally Posted by kup
You don't have the forward and backslash keys?
/changes pants... :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
wtf kind of keyboard do you have?
"/" is the same key as the "?" key
"\" is the same key as the "|" (pipe) key above the enterkey or below shift key on the right, depending on what modle keyboard you have
MF 1201 and RF0401 are the best bioses released up-to-date for me.
In previous MF or RF bioses, I'd get occassional DET RAM hang whether my system is stable or not.
I've just finished 2 days testings with diff config with both MF1201 and RF0401 and I've NEVER come accross with DET RAM hang ever.
It doesn't matter whether my OC'ed settings were Prime/OCCT stable or not, the system hasn't encountered any DET RAM hang issue yet.
The stability is greatly improved from either bios.
XT
Isn`t it P45!? Or did you make a joke? XS.de would be great :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Grnfinger
http://www.hartware.de/news_44728.html