yes Napalm, please elaborate as I have never heard of using overvolting source lines for OCQuote:
Originally Posted by NBF
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yes Napalm, please elaborate as I have never heard of using overvolting source lines for OCQuote:
Originally Posted by NBF
You cannot raise a single system voltage, and expect results. All must go up. Voltages must retain ratios within respect of each other, so adjusting base voltage so as to increase the window of that threshold is pretty basic IMHO. Same as GTL...you adjust to maintain the window.
and yet you myth everyone @ 1.45vtt.. :) :clap:
So basically, time to mod our PSU?
I cannot recall comment specific to VTT, except this:Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
So yeah, not I.:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
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Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
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Originally Posted by zlojack
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Originally Posted by NBF
i cant word it any better :)
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Originally Posted by cadaveca
Well my chip will be here Monday from the egg. What warehouse did your ship from Napalm? I'm hoping for one of those "B" chips..... I haven't seen any 780i's on this thread. I hope it works out!
Interesting.....Does that mod make or break it? Do you have another Power supply not modded that you've tried during this session?Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
the one in caliQuote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
theres no way around it..Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
unmodded OP1200 silverstone couldnt even boot 4.5ghz :rofl:
adjusted OP1000 (which carries high quality rubycon caps :up:) runs 4.9ghz stable without a sweat
just did a 3DMarK06 run @ 4 GHZ = 22666
http://service.futuremark.com/result...&resultType=14
thanks.. fun indeed.. will try to get the max out of it with care :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cliff Burton
thanks.. if it dont oc well on one mobo try another.. i went thru severalQuote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
like i said you got a good one :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by bigslappy
bring it on! :) its getting lonely here @ 4.9..
push it harder.. good mobo/ram/psu will help
good luck
This was very easy on the Rampage Formula
YUP ! this CPU & that MoBo like each other :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by sofarfrome
New board, better oc. :)
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Primed 22 minutes at 4400MHz 1.42V, but then i got an error. Imho my all day settings will be somewhere around 4200MHz, thats still nice for a quad! :up:
Vista 64Bit is really much more sensitive then normal XP 32Bit.. Can't boot into Vista with the settings i benched 16M on XP.
Q9650 | 4200MHz | 1.328V | FSB 467MHz | DDR3 747MHz | Asus P5E3 Premium | WaKü 23.6°C Wasser | L825B323 | B | 1,2375V | funkflix
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Working on 4.2GHz now. It ran for 3+ hours yesterday, needs a little more tweaking. I am thinking about pairing it with a P45 board but unsure which to get. I have had 3 P45s and none have impressed me as much as this Asus board.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigslappy
I thought that i would join in with my q9650 and maximus II P45 @ 4231 :up:
Hey guys. I have the opportunity to purchase a QX9650 Retail and all the info I have now is that it is a retail release chip (L733). I dont know if it is an "A" or a "B" batch but the seller has SS of it doing 4Ghz with 1.36v on a 780i.
Really trying to figure out if I should pull the trigger. I have a LC loop for the CPU that consists of DDC-2/Petra topped, EK Supreme, Feser 120.2, EK multi-option 250, 2xSanyo Denki 120x38mm San Aces'. Should have pretty good sucess cooling the chip.
Some quick thoughts would really help me out ;)
Damon
I've had two QX9650's in the past year and had trouble getting them to 4GHz 24/7 on a pretty decent water setup with any vcore south of 1.41v (Could be my lack of skills at OC)Quote:
Originally Posted by turtletrax
But these Q9650's seem to be hitting 4GHz more often than not at lower vcore. Plus, they're a newer stepping and cheaper.
Not quite as good for benching though.
My vote goes to the Q9650, no X :D
L822B363 Just received today from newegg new jersey warehouse. My striker died yesterday so i'll be ordering a board in the next hour to be here tomorrow. Either Asus Rampage Formula, Maximuss II Formula or P5Q deluxe. Anybody have any suggestions for a good board?Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
Turtle, L733 is a very early QX, before QX9770 bins, so it's a toss up. My L739 is a keeper...
But early QX chips seem FSB limited. Mine maxes out at about 490(which seems pretty good), but I have now seen 6 E0 quads @ 500FSB++. SO it depends on what you want...high FSB, or high clocks...
Nigzo, I'd hit up the Maximus 2 if you'll jsut go single-card vga.
rampage formuls X48 with the G.Skill 2 x 2 gb memory it loves this Quad !Quote:
Originally Posted by nugzo
they have been having problems with the Extrmes & Quad's
Q9650 better O'C'erQuote:
Originally Posted by turtletrax
Who has been having issues with the quads? The G-Skill or the X48? I just picked up the Maximus Formula yesterday ($60 from Fry's :up:) and I will be using my QX9650 and G-Skill 8000 4GB kit with it. Are you saying I will have issues?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigslappy
Thanks,
Utnorris
I decided to go with the Maximus II formula. Overnight from the egg. Gonna play with a MSI p7n diamond untill the max gets here. It surprised me, 4625 vs 4500mhz on the striker (E8600) Maybe it'll clock the quad well.
Arggg. Decisions, decisions. I know this guy alittle (from a BST forum) and he always has procs for sale, and he has allot of heatware refs that are positive. I trust his results that he has stated to me. He says highest he tried was 4.5Ghz and that 3.8 was easy, 4Ghz is the sweet spot and 4.2Ghz was doable but hot. He also dropped price a tad, so I think I am gonna go for it and see what gives.Quote:
Originally Posted by zlojack
Sorry i should have been more clear on what I had posted ! Not the Extreme CPU's it's the Asus Extreme Boards & the QuadsQuote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
NO! yer fine with that board it's the Asus Extreme DDR3 boards that have issues with the QX9650
the Guys at Asus Independant Forum all got the Rampage Extreme for the Fall Forum Wars & all have had problems big time in O/C'in those boards with the quads
the Rampage Formula X48 boards are great as are the Maximus boards
the issue is with the NEW Extreme R/F & Extreme Maximus seems the Quads don't like the 16 phase power on those boards & bios are still way Too young , that's the issue & they can't seem to get the boards stable with Quads
NOW below is all I M H O >>>
dam glad it didn't get one as i was thinkin' of it but with the NeHam just around the corner I didn't want to drop cash for a new board & DDR3...
seems to me that they(the extreme boards) were relaesed just too late for the market as Asus will be concentrated on theNeham 's , X58 boards more than the Extreme boards when it comes to bios & support
at the moment my Q9650 is humming along 24/7 at 4GHz on my X48 Rampage formula LOVE this CPU yEE hAA !!! & i ani't even really pushed it yet .............Gonna let it burn-in awhile 1st ...
P5E3 Premium is very good for quads too!
Heard about the same problems with 16-phase on rampage extreme with quad-oc.
YUP that's a GREAT BOARD also ! If i were get a DDR3 board that would be it !Quote:
Originally Posted by funkflix
I had a P5E good board but the R/F is way better !
all I've heard about the P5E3 is GOOD STUFF !
I am selling my QX9650. It made 4.0 with 400 X 10 but the new Q9650 is superior in clocking and thermals. 420FSB is the best I could pull out of my QX9650 and the three Q9650's I have built have all made 450Mhz FSB with aplomb.Quote:
Originally Posted by turtletrax
I think I am going to hold off. I am going to get Charles_H to fab me some stuff to finnish off my TJ-07 build then see how Yorkfield prices are affected by Nahelem, then possibly pull the trigger. I would love to get a cherry proc that is being ditched for a new arch :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by DerekT
before u do that check this thread out !
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=202014
as shown some quads are PDN's & they will go up in price when gone like the QX's & the Q9650 as the really good chips will be more valuable when gone !!
only the Quad dogs ( Q9450's & the like ) will go down & the q6600 plus the core 2 's e serises also .. I suggest getting the Q9650 while you can , as it seeems to be the best bang for yer buck Right Now !
4-4.2ghz? come on guys! thats peanuts for these q9650.. if you think my q9650 is a special one it aint
heres the voltage order you guys should focus on without any gtl adjusting:
1 vtt/v12 - most important: high maintenance
2 vnb/vdimm - these have to work in harmony: they make great sex.. they make you high clocks
3 vcore - raise it when you feel/think your system just gave up on you
4 vpll/vi/o - low maintenance though makes it or brakes it @ high clocks
5 v5/v3.3 - bother only if you have to
if you do adjust gtl.. this order may be different for you
however you oc.. all these voltages have to be raised accordingly/sufficiently for your hardware.. how much depends on your cooling
good luck!
So what range should we look for on the vtt when clocking at 4+GHZ? I just dropped my q9650 into my rampage formula. Right now I am priming at 4.02GHz. But to get there set the vcore to 1.3625v(reading @ 1.31v) because of the vdroop on this things. When putting it under prime load, the vcore drops to 1.26v-1.27v. I do have the LLC set to auto. I might try enabling vdroop control and see what kind of vcore i need. I think I have my vtt set to 1.32v.
I've had this CPU 2 days and this motherboard (Maximus II Formula P45) came in today. I'm new to intel chip sets so most settings are on auto. I'm pleased with what i have so far. This isnt tested long term for stability but i've had no issues at all so far. I went ahead ant posted in hopes for some suggestions. Vcore can probably go lower, this was just my starting point. I'm down for any criticism if i set something stupid in bios. The nforces ive been OC'ing for the past 3 years are a lot different.
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Really nice Q9650 you have there! :up:
Same batch as napalms?
Thanks and yes, same. Not the same skills though :DQuote:
Originally Posted by funkflix
I think one addition to this killer combo is the p45+q9650. x38 is giving me no love (except for 4.1ghz) :down::ROTF:
Napalm, adjusting the v12 is a hardware mod, right?
Normally yes, but some psu have varibale resistors inside. With this you can manually adjust the rails. But don't know how napalm realised that.
On the other side, i can't see any advantage in rising the rails over the demanding 12.00V. Maybe if you use a poor psu, which drops way under maybe 11.90V it could possibly a advantage. But to be honest i don't think anyone here in the thread will not have have a state of the art psu. ;)
Played a lot with adjustable rails in the past, but if some component is holding back the oc i couldn't get them higher with raising the rails. It was just to get the placebo effect of higher and "stable" voltages. :D But i always used some of the best psu you can get at that time.
I know my PSU has a switch that changes from various 12v rails to a single.
I suppose I should have it on the single for better OC results?
Possibly it could have a positive effect. But don't think so. Your silverstone have 2 x 17A for supporting the cpu. 34A x 12V = 408W. My Q9650 need about 9.8A with 4000MHz 1.27V while priming.
PS.: But i would always prefer single rail mode. ;)
single rail period !
bingo! yatzeee! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
ill say it once again.. best shot at high quad fsb/clocks = P35/P45 especially P45 but even some great P35 mobos could reach P45 clocks
FYI and others .. as far as max oc goes i gained just 100mhz from air to phase @ max vtt/vnbQuote:
Originally Posted by mcoffey
loads are different 4.5ghz to 4.9ghz
correct.. adjusting v12 means adjusting v12 pot @ psuQuote:
Originally Posted by zlojack
i would advise against such mod.. have it done by someone experienced
thats the mystery? :rofl: maybe cause ive been doing for quite some time.. dont believe me? go ask the other more trusted better known ocers about psu..Quote:
Originally Posted by funkflix
the most important part at hard ocing is the psu :up:
I cant seem to get my Q9650 over 515 x 9, P45 Gigabyte board...
1. That part you wrote in bold was pertained to the modded +12V rail on your psu.Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
2. Do you know how all that voltages act togehter with oc? A example: Your psu have 12.00V and cpu needs 150W, then you have a amperage of 12.5A. If you have your rail pushed to 12.50V you will have a amperage of 12.0A. Now tell me, which one of this is better?
3. If you want a good psu for oc, you do not need higher voltages on rails then the needed 12.0V for example. You need stable voltages, no flucation, good regulation, good filtering, close to no ripple and all that stuff..
But let's stop now. If u just can "lough" about what i write, i don't want to "discuss" with you. Never said anything bad about your results.. just doubting on your high rails theorie. ;)
darn! such low fsb and clocks for a quad! :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by road-runner
Yeah me too. I can get 615 but not 620 :shakes::shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by road-runner
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Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
lets do it right here.. not @ pm.. for everyone to seeQuote:
Originally Posted by road-runner
post your voltages/settings.. please
also what kind of cooling/psu/mobo/ram
dont take it so serious.. sounded funny ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by funkflix
no theories no bs its a fact and i didnt come up with it on my own
how do you think you see so many extreme clocks posted by great overclockers? @ v12.0 straight? never
NapalmV5,
You never seize to amaze me. You could have just posted your numbers and left it at that, but instead you are willing to give some of us light weights help, so kudos to you for spreading the knowledge. Hopefully, when I get my Maximus up and running I can come back here and post some credible numbers.
Again, thank you for all the help, both private and public.
Utnorris
So as I have never heard about this with any PSU reviews or users posting... what PSU's have VR's to adjust the rails, I'm willing to open up my PSU as long as I know what I'm looking for and roughly where it should be....
just checked my main rig and the HX1000 has the 12v rail down at 11.71v :( (via Everest 4.6)
Just measure your +12V with a DMM. HX1000 would never just give you 11.70V with that kind of load your system have. If so, it is defect.
Please do not even think of modding your HX1000.. It will hold every overclock on your cpu without any modding. Believe me. ;)
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Originally Posted by NapalmV5
GA EP45 DS4P, 2GB Kingston 8500, PC Power & Cooling 750w, Dtek Fuzion, Laing D5 Basic, Swiftech MCR220-QP, 2-3870x2 stock cooling.
Bios is all auto settings except vcore set to 1.575 in bios and 2.2v on RAM 5-5-5-15 rest on auto, 2.00D/400/Standard, had to add a couple increments of voltage to ICH core and I/O to post. I can bench at 4599 but no higher...
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Well, if I get someone "more experienced" than me to do it, I'll never learn.Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
But if someone more experienced showed me how, I might be able to do it. :D
Anyway, I'm not sure how much PSU modding I want to do. Mine has no warranty anyway, so I guess it doesn't make much difference :D
This is what easytune reports...
I guess temps are way out of line, thats why no prime screen with temps? It certainly wont last long at those voltages.Quote:
Originally Posted by road-runner
road-runner
that easytune ss is easier to work with.. thanks
before you go any further what is your v12 @ those clocks/settings?
pll is too high
leave vcore as is
vdimm/vnb are way way low :up: which is a good thing.. more headroom
set vtt @ ~1.8-1.9
set vpll/vi/o @ same voltage 1.6-1.7
set vdimm @ ~2.5-2.8
set vnb @ ~1.7 all the way @ max if you have to
set cpu clock drive @ 1000mV
set pcie clock drive @ 1000mV
523x9 easy
534x9 doable
545x9 within your grasp @ max vtt/vnb
since im waiting on new ram im back on air so ill oc with you :up:
Voltage at 4ghz according to easytune is 11.921 run it 4Ghz 1.45 vcore setting 1.328 real under load. That was just trying to run a quick bench. I am not sure whick setting is vtt vpll/vi/o as I was just used to the P35 boards where all you had to set was mch and fsb. This is what it has been running 24/7 cruching...
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