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05-17-2006, 06:20 PM
Fred_Pohl

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Originally Posted by DoubleZero

You're the one that looks upset with the possibility of brisbane being K8L, but hey you where the first guy i've seen in a tech forum, inciting people to buy shares from a company and sell from the other company.

Exagerate much? I merely stated that when a stock peaks, as AMD's had at the time, it's a good time to sell and invest in another stock which has reached it's lowest price point and is almost certain to rise.
05-17-2006, 06:26 PM
The Ghost

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Originally Posted by Fred_Pohl

You're funny... seen this yet?

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31789

I agree with you on your second point. K8L will be a 65nm AM2 cpu... when it arrives in late 2007 as Opteron and H1-08 as Athlon.

ok let's try and see if we can help you a little , amd's K8L will arrive in late 07 , but that will be the quad core , dig it ?

brisbane K8L will show up late this year or early next yeat

again , your link proves nothing , woodcrest may only be better then amd in a two cpu system , after that amd owns the woodcrest
05-17-2006, 06:30 PM
Fred_Pohl

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Originally Posted by The Ghost

we will see who eats crow , i just don't understand why you like to hang out in amd type forums , personally , i don't think that they are paying you enough to have to go thru what you are going thru , trying to stand up for a company that is failing bad , so bad that instead of going up in the stock market , it has a hard time getting back up to $19

Indeed we will. I'm not on Intel's payroll, fanboy. Injecting a dose of reality into your delusional AMD fanboy fantasy world is it's own reward. :)

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funny how a old amd cpu can do as good as it does against a brand new conroe

Yes, isn't it funny to see a $1236 FX62 getting :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: smacked by a $316 E6600? I know I laughed!

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amd's problem was getting enough bandwidth to be able to funny use a full meg cache per core , even at .5meg keeps up with a amd core , that is changing , and it is not a rumor like you think it is

For your sake, I hope you're right and AMD gets K8L out 12 months early. I'd rather see a horse race instead of a humilating ass whipping. K8L should at least narrow the 500MHz performance gap between AM2 and Conroe.
05-17-2006, 06:32 PM
nn_step

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Originally Posted by Fred_Pohl

For your sake, I hope you're right and AMD gets K8L out 12 months early. I'd rather see a horse race instead of a humilating ass whipping. K8L should at least narrow the 500MHz performance gap between AM2 and Conroe.

I swear you two are bickering like stoned School Girls..
Give it a rest and just walk away from the arguement
05-17-2006, 06:32 PM
The Ghost

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Originally Posted by Fred_Pohl

Exagerate much? I merely stated that when a stock peaks, as AMD's had at the time, it's a good time to sell and invest in another stock which has reached it's lowest price point and is almost certain to rise.

and i guess that you would suggest to them to buy intel stock , right ? do you think that intel has bottomed out yet ?

i mean that it has fallen below $19 to $18.65 , and that was after intel said that it was going to sell it's fash memory and other stuff , plus closing offices and laying off people

are you really trying to give people stock advice ?
05-17-2006, 06:33 PM
Fred_Pohl

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Originally Posted by nn_step

Actually soon with DDR3 @ the proper latencies.. the memory will be faster than L3

But still not as fast as L2 and "soon" as in 12-24 months from now?
05-17-2006, 06:35 PM
Fred_Pohl

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Originally Posted by The Ghost

i was juat stating what the memory bandwidth of a am2 at 2ghz was using ddr2-800 memory

yes we know that now conroe is suppose to be in july now , after some magic reason intel changed their mind to release the woodcrest first , instead of the conroe

:guitar:

Woodcrest was always scheduled to launch first. Intel simply moved the launch dates up due to better than expected yields.
05-17-2006, 06:35 PM
nn_step

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Originally Posted by Fred_Pohl

But still not as fast as L2 and "soon" as in 12-24 months from now?

as in when the memory manufactures actually start selling these chips.
I know that these chips already exist and have been in testing for a little while.. but as for mass production dates. that has yet to be announced
05-17-2006, 06:41 PM
Fred_Pohl

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Originally Posted by The Ghost

now if that was a intel cpu it would make a difference , but we are talking server cpu's with L3 cache , don't expect L3 cache of a desktop cpu

by the way actually having the L3 cache improves the latency , because then it doesn't have to go back to the memory , which is even slower

When you say "Intel cpu" are you referring to netburst or core since they are as different as night and day?

L3 cache can decrease latency only if whatever needs to be fetched has been prefetched to it. If what is needed is in main memory, latency is increased.

If you don't even understand that a large, shared L2 cache is better than a shared L3 cache on top of exclusive L2 caches, we have nothing further to discuss here.
05-17-2006, 06:43 PM
Amiteriver

Sold my 20 doller intel puts today - oh yea
wheres my new FX64?
05-17-2006, 06:51 PM
Fred_Pohl

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Originally Posted by The Ghost

now haven't we been thru this before ?? amd does not have any am2 cpu's thatr are going to be 125 watts , and you talk about me having my head in the sand

are you sure that woodcrest and conroe is only going to be 65watts ?

and no i have never done any crack either , low blows do not win you anything

so if you don't work for intel , what are you doing just posting in amd forums and like where you use to post to the news articles at amdzone ??

procrastinating ?? no even though that is what you told me at one time , that is not true , because you like to spread lies about amd that are not true

so please prove to us here in this forum where you got that there is going to be a am2 cpu that is going to be 125watts , amd does not have a presshot

please bring us a link that shows that amd is going to have a am2 cpu that is going to be 125watts , and then you can say that you have put me down

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31789

"The last part, less power, is the big one. I am told Woodcrest will be coming in with a 65W TDP. This is big news, and by no means a minor drop, it is on the order of 20%, and will most likely send AMD scrambling. Whatever magic Intel pulled off, well done."

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=3643

http://resources.vr-zone.com.sg/Sham...7q1%5B1%5D.jpg
05-17-2006, 06:57 PM
Fred_Pohl

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Originally Posted by The Ghost

amd what do you think that those two links prove ??

amd has a modified process that allows it to run 90nm cpu's at the same wattage that intel is going to run at 65nm

I was asked to provide links to The Inq claiming that AMD would announce that they were launching 65nm cpus in June 2006. Please try to keep up...

I saw that too. AMD is claiming to be able to offer a few single core cpus at up to 2.4G to compete with 3G Core 2 Duo parts at 65W but with performance equalling Intel's slowest 35W cpus.
05-17-2006, 07:00 PM
Fred_Pohl

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Originally Posted by nn_step

Would you mind stop pointing to the Inquirer.. they do have a bad habit of sometimes posting inaccurate informatioin..

I can't argue with that but I'm dealing with people who cite even less reliable sources than The National Inquirer.
05-17-2006, 07:02 PM
nn_step

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Originally Posted by Fred_Pohl

I can't argue with that but I'm dealing with people who cite even less reliable sources than The National Inquirer.

But you don't have to deal with him, just walk away and wait. Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics.. even if you win, you still are retarded
05-17-2006, 07:14 PM
Fred_Pohl

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Originally Posted by The Ghost

ok let's try and see if we can help you a little , amd's K8L will arrive in late 07 , but that will be the quad core , dig it ?

brisbane K8L will show up late this year or early next yeat

again , your link proves nothing , woodcrest may only be better then amd in a two cpu system , after that amd owns the woodcrest

Brisbane may or may not incorporate some or all of the improvements detailed by AMD for the Q4-07/H1-08 2008 K8L. You assume that Brisbane will incorporate all of them, based on 3rd party rumors and roadmaps while I remain skeptical and prefer to rely on official roadmaps, AMD statements and more reliable sources.

You also assume that Opteron will own Woodcrest in 4 way+ server systems based on pure speculation and again, I remain skeptical of such speculation. There isn't much to go by in the Woodcrest vs Opteron debate but I have seen that in Cinebench, a 2-way QC Cloverton system outperforms a 4-way DC Opteron system even though the Opteron system has all the advantages.
05-17-2006, 07:16 PM
Carfax

I wouldn't say the Inquirer is inaccurate. They tend to be more accurate than inaccurate I think.

In particular Charlie Demerjian. Most of his articles tend to be right on the mark.

Getting secret information out of these corportations isn't exactly easy you know..

And even so, the industry changes so fast, that what was true one day, may become false the next..

Not that I'm a hardcore Inq fan. I just think they deserve more credit.
05-17-2006, 07:19 PM
Fred_Pohl

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Originally Posted by nn_step

I swear you two are bickering like stoned School Girls..
Give it a rest and just walk away from the arguement

Good idea. I'm outta here...
05-17-2006, 07:34 PM
The Ghost

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Originally Posted by Fred_Pohl

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31789

"The last part, less power, is the big one. I am told Woodcrest will be coming in with a 65W TDP. This is big news, and by no means a minor drop, it is on the order of 20%, and will most likely send AMD scrambling. Whatever magic Intel pulled off, well done."

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=3643

yes those are the old hot numbers , those number have been dropped from as high as 37%

remember these numbers from amd represent what amd wants motherboard makers to make their motherboards handle

AMD are claiming improvements of up to 37 percent performance-per-watt than standard power AMD processors.

The new processors come with either a 65 or 35 watt level of power consumption. These are known as their "Desktop" processors (65 watt) or "Small Form Factor Desktop" processors (35 watt).

65 watt Desktop processors are all dual-core Athlon 64 X2:

4800, US$671
4600, US$601
4400, US$514
4200, US$417
4000, US$353
3800, US$323

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=6291

if you need more links , please let me know

you ought to know me well enough to know that i do not joke around about facts
05-17-2006, 07:44 PM
Haltech

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Originally Posted by The Ghost

yes those are the old hot numbers , those number have been dropped from as high as 37%

remember these numbers from amd represent what amd wants motherboard makers to make their motherboards handle

AMD are claiming improvements of up to 37 percent performance-per-watt than standard power AMD processors.

The new processors come with either a 65 or 35 watt level of power consumption. These are known as their "Desktop" processors (65 watt) or "Small Form Factor Desktop" processors (35 watt).

65 watt Desktop processors are all dual-core Athlon 64 X2:

4800, US$671
4600, US$601
4400, US$514
4200, US$417
4000, US$353
3800, US$323

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=6291

if you need more links , please let me know

you ought to know me well enough to know that i do not joke around about facts

Well im still waiting for your super AM2 Encoding benchmarks... as far as im concerned, AM2 is a flop. I also cant believe the arguing going on about TDP.. Intel went to 65nm, so seeing 65W TDP isnt hard to digest. Im just amazed that you are hyping AM2 up to be the best thing since sliced bread...
05-17-2006, 07:45 PM
Vapor

nn_step's right....too much bickering, and too many one-line daggers and it's gotten off topic.

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