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holysmoke....I thought I'm the only one, have the MX518 and generic keyboard :lol: and now that I think about it yea it didn't happen till I install the ATITOOL, I'll uninstall it and put the CCC back and test it again. :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
=)
let us know how you make out.
When did LCDs get sharper than CRTs? There is a reason that I am still doing all my cad work on a 21" dell branded sony trinitron becuase it has the absolute sharpest picture out there. I have not found a LCD that can match itQuote:
Originally Posted by Turok
for accuracy and color and I have tried several 8ms 19" LCD none of them look as good as that trinitron does.
Hewlett Packard 23" L2335
LCD Panel 23" WUXGA LCD (Active Matrix)
pixel pitch: 0.258mm
Anti-glare coating
Super IPS Panel
Advertised Scanning Frequency Horizontal: 30-94kHz
Vertical: 48-85Hz
Advertised Response Time 16ms (Typical)
Advertised Viewing Angle 170 / 170 (Horizontal / Vertical)
Advertised Contrast Ratio 500:1 (Typical)
Advertised Compatibility 1920 x 1200 (Native)
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Apple Cinema Display 20" M9177LL
LCD Panel 20.1" WSXGA+ LCD (Active Matrix)
pixel pitch: 0.258mm
Anti-glare coating
Super IPS Panel
Advertised Scanning Frequency Horizontal: 31-83kHz
Vertical: 56-75Hz
Advertised Response Time 16ms (Typical)
Advertised Viewing Angle 170 / 170 (Horizontal / Vertical)
Advertised Contrast Ratio 400:1 (Typical)
Compatibility 1680 x 1050 (Native)
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Dell UltraSharp 2005FPW
LCD Panel 20.1" WSXGA+ LCD (Active Matrix)
pixel pitch: 0.258mm
Anti-glare coating
Super IPS Panel
Advertised Scanning Frequency Horizontal: 31-83kHz
Vertical: 56-75Hz
Advertised Response Time 12ms (Typical)
Advertised Viewing Angle 176 / 176 (Horizontal / Vertical)
Advertised Contrast Ratio 600:1 (Typical)
Compatibility 1680 x 1050 (Native)
ummm... the reason people notice these problems on LCD is because LCDs are a lot sharper than CRTs
Since when is .258mm sharper than .240mm ??
Most people dont even notice motion blur and ghosting on a pure 8ms response time.
if you like a tiny 17” monitor then I guess little ghosting is ok
So if you saw a LCD < 8ms and you noticed a lot of ghosting, then you eather saw a cr@%$y monitor or you have the super human ability to notice ghosting at that response time without a CRT next to the LCD.
I sure would like to see these phantom <8 ms LCDs (color reproduction not grey to grey since I play my games in color ;)
And with the clarity and precision of a LCD screen, doesnt it make it easier to spot your enemies?
Can you even see your enemy at 1600x1200 on a 17” LCD ????
@speed bump
@iboomalot
Since LCDs run at a native resolution, most LCDs always have a pixel pitch around 0.255mm.
Laptop LCDs, on the other hand, have a smaller pixel pitchs than the native resolution, thus making it possible to fit even WUXGA in a 15.4" LCD.
CRTs have a recommended resolution and a max resolution. That 0.240mm pixel pitch on CRTs is because a CRT is capable of compressing a huge resolution on a smaller area while makeing the image more blurry than the recomended resolution (which should be the native res.).
The sharpness of a LCD is because each pixel is individually lit and equally proportional throughout the screen. CRTs use an electron beam that's magnified and then refracted by a lense to make it look flat, making the edges less sharp than the center, because of the distance from the electron beam. All though you may not notice your CRT blurry or unbalanced, but when you put it side-by-side with a nice LCD like the Belinea 102035W, the difference is visible.
Eizo LCDs like the Eizo S2410W-K are capable of a decent 8ms in 24" widescreen (16:10), but are a quite expensive.
Can you even see your enemies from far away when the image is compressed and blurred like 50% the normal resolution ???
IMO, if you dont have the money, then get a CRT, otherwise a high quality VA or IPS widescreen LCD would be much better.
@ben805
ATi's IQ is definitely superior. Ive been looking at several IQ comparisons between the x1800, x1900, 7800, and 7900 series, and ATi cards always seem to show an advantage in IQ even if both cards have a flaw on a particular game.
Im also trying to decide on my next update. If it's eather going to be ATi or nVidia. But I also dont want to spend too much money on a card now, because the g80 and r600 could release sooner then expected to sell with UT2k7 or Gears of War
GDDR4, Unified shader, more pipes, a possible die shrink, higher clocks, and other stuff will make the g71 and r580 look like cr@%.
Right now my decision is dependent on how well the x1900xtx and 7900 GTX do in Oblivion, since it seems to be the heaviest game to run.
With a x1900xtx and 7900 GTX, you already know you can run nearly every game to date with everything at max and a high AA and AF except Oblivion.
If nVidia has an advantage in Oblivion, Ill buy a 7900 GT and OC it to 7900 GTX. Ill probably buy a Maze4 to help it OC if it runs too hot.
If ATi has an advantage on Oblivion, Ill try to get a xtx or a xt and a Maze4 for around $500 and OC it a bit.
I would be happy for ATi if they win with Oblivion, because the x1900xtx would be better than the 7900 GTX in performance, price, and IQ, and they would be proving that more pixel shaders is superior than more ROPs.
The 7900 GT is still a verry nice bang for the bucks, but If ATi proves to be more efficient in Oblivion, then I prefer spending a bit more for more performance vs the 7900 GTX and better IQ.
anything wrong with generic keyboards ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ben805
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Originally Posted by Gnome
Hate em all. Why people will buy a generic keyboard is beyond me. A quality keyboard is like buying a quality mouse, or in my case a quality trackball. It will last a long time and give you very good performance.
Compair typing on a generic to typing on a quality board like a Deck. There is no comparison. Best boards out there are the Deck illuminated boards, and the original Model M IBM clicky key boards...
I'm running Oblivion on a X1900xt and dual core opty. The game Defaults to setting everything to ultra high quality. Res I game at is 1280/960. Smooth as butter so far...Quote:
Originally Posted by Turok
By the way, the games stuttering and movement locked up problem is solved!!! it is indeed causes by the stupid ATITOOL, Once I'd DISABLE the temperature monitoring the problem went away, everything play like hot knife on butter now :D :D I did some video and photo editing and man the IQ of these X1900XTX is very impressive, much sharper than the 7800GT, there is no way in hell I'm going back to nvidia :D :D
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Originally Posted by Plywood99
lol i have an mx518, steelpad S&S (for CS, i use a QcK+ for WoW), so that's $120+ of mouse equipement, and i stay with my $9 microsoft OEM keyboard. i've tried other keyboards, by all sorts of manufacturs, but the $9 one has the most confortable feel...
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Originally Posted by Gnome
Problem is all the keyboards in stores are the rubber membrane style, so they all have around the same feel to them, very little difference. I took a chance buying the Deck, and it has paid off well...
@ben805: Funny how so many report AtiTool causing stutter. Doesn't affect my system at all...
MX518/Exactmat (aluminum, nice and cold), and Logitech UltraX here. Laptop style keys on a full layout for 20 bucks.
I most certainly can... 1920x1200 on a 15.4" LCD :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by iboomalot
in regards to ATI vs nVidia, I'm really missing coolbits on the X1800XL, it's a PITA to constantly have this thing overclocked. With nVidia I could set it to boot at the OC'd frequencies.
depends on ur res
im @ 1900x1000 or whatever, and my x800 is a midrange card overclocked (16 pipes @500/500)
I've only starting gaming in the last four months, BF2. I use a MX1000 for everyday use and was using a MX518 for gaming but just got the G7 and it's really nice. Using UberOptions, I have the right and left mouse wheel tilt binded to particular BF2 keys to make-up for the loss of the 2nd thumb button on the MX518.
I also use ATI Tool and have had no keyboard problems. But I did go from a keyboard to a Belkin Nostromo N52 and prefer it over the keyboard.
Lastily, like a few here, I've been waiting for Oblivion to come out w/ some benchmarks to decide between a 7900GT/GTX or X1900XT/XTX. And I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that a X1900XT/XTX is way to go.
I also find this deal today which may seal it. A HIS X1900XTX at Monarch for $430 ARs - http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...Code=ATI-PCI-E
Use the more-effective 3rd party software.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkangyl
Thanks for the link, t'is a very good read.Quote:
Originally Posted by DILLY
Guildwars stutters a bit when you use ATITOOL ON startup when loading a profile, otherwise it runs fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by ben805
Warcraft stutters if your running ATITOOL too, if you clear it from the taskbar, game runs smoothly.
Hope this helps, even if its a bit OT :p:
EDIT: thats on an x1900xtx :)
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Originally Posted by 5150 Joker
Didn't even see this post earlier, but if ya wanna go down the list we can...
I'll start on the AA train... You DID know that NVidia cards can do full supersampling at 4x as well as 8x, right? It's fully playable too...Nvidia cards can also do 6x AND 6xS with a little help from rivatuner. Tweaking does wonders. Even my 6800GT can do 4xS.
Also, when I said full supersampling(yes I know supersampling only does 2xSS 4xMS in 8xS mode), I meant it uses it on every pixel. Something that is IMPOSSIBLE to do on ATi cards without running CF... As I just stated, it can be done at 4x,6x,and 8x on NVidia cards, with 4xS being totally playable..
When I said current games for 6xAA/8xS being useless, I meant graphics hungry games like F.e.a.r. and oblivion, not far cry. Look at the f.e.a.r. results, 40fps at 1600x1200, that means definitely dips below the 30 mark, making it unplayable.
As for CF doing better at AA modes above 4x, did you forget about NVidia's new driver that massively upped AA performance? Roughly 20-40%. Now factor that into those numbers and try again.
Are you seeing what I'm saying yet?... Neither card has an advantage over the other in terms of realworld, THAT'S my point... Both have their ups and downs, and neither card would be a bad choice! :fact: :woot:
I still have my old 7800GTX clocked to the max.
I never tried an HDR game with it or any newer games cuz im stuck in Americas army and its eating all my time.
But today i started up Oblivion, turned everything to the max but got a msg i cant use AA and HDR at the same time.
It does feel a little sad..
Only nVidia's g71 and g73 cores can do HDR + AAQuote:
Originally Posted by Ubermann
Isn't HDR and AA blocked on ALL cores on Oblivion? Not just NVidia, but ATi as well....
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1034012
Read thru that thread, people aren't able to use AA + HDR even with X1800 and X1900 cards. It's blocked completely.
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Originally Posted by DilTech
Yup, x1900 here and HDR with AA is a no go. Maybe the way Oblivion is programmed is the cause? Perhaps a patch will fix...