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01-05-2003, 01:26 AM
Shroomer

Congrats on the score man :D :toast:

I just got a 8rda+ and a 2700 same stepping as you :D

could you tell me what PSU and bios you are using ?
01-05-2003, 02:00 AM
QuadDamage

OPP,

I mailed worm as well as MO's support. Let's see what they have to say... althought they've never replied to me in the past, they fixed ORB not long time after i let them know about those glitches.
01-05-2003, 02:40 AM
MrLavender

Quote:

Originally posted by OPPAINTER
Se Ya DJ , heh heh :D :banana:
Got ya with a little old AMD chip :D
Thanks DDTUNG ;)

OPP

Back after 5 hrs sleep and WWWOOOWWW!!!!! You DID it!!! :slobber: :slobber: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

Extreme congratulations. :toast: AMD back in the top 3!!! :D :D Hope it gets published soon, get your finger out FM. :mad:
01-05-2003, 02:51 AM
QuadDamage

keep on benchin, OPP. The whole AMD world prays for you now:) lol. how's going with your video ram?
01-05-2003, 05:44 AM
SKATAN

Opp

I dont know if you are still using the epos 8rda

if you are and want to improve 200+ points send me a PM and ill tell you the trick (only works for 8rda/+) :)

being unable to publish those score must be a §§§§§

im looking at those chase and lobby numbers and they look amazing
01-05-2003, 05:57 AM
Hardass

Well Done OPP! as always.:thumbsup: :toast:
01-05-2003, 06:20 AM
AKRedneck

Quote:

Originally posted by SKATAN
Opp

I dont know if you are still using the epos 8rda

if you are and want to improve 200+ points send me a PM and ill tell you the trick (only works for 8rda/+) :)...

SKATAN, share the wealth buddy.. a few more of us would love to hear about your WPCREDIT tweaks.....
:D
01-05-2003, 06:31 AM
spaceman

Quote:

Originally posted by QuadDamage
I think it's not nForce itself messing up with ORB but AGP 8X on these mobos... well, just my opinion.

Yep, that's gotta be at least part of the problem. Every time I run 3DMark, it shows me usin' 2x, when it's clearly set to 8x in the BIOS, and SANDRA '03 confirms 8x. Worst of all, it always shows my 2400+ as a Duron. :rolleyes: I'd almost rather have it just say "unknown". :p
01-05-2003, 06:36 AM
Bravo

Hey OPP. Not sure if you've done this, but i had problems with stability/posting over 2.05v. Found out the Power MOSFETs were overheating.

If you havent already checked them out, give em a quick once over with the ol' Mark 1 finger.
01-05-2003, 07:33 AM
MrLavender

Quote:

Originally posted by AKRedneck
SKATAN, share the wealth buddy.. a few more of us would love to hear about your WPCREDIT tweaks.....
:D

Yeah. :D 'Specially now that this is definitely gonna be my next mobo...:)
01-05-2003, 08:13 AM
OPPAINTER

Quote:

Originally posted by Bravo
Hey OPP. Not sure if you've done this, but i had problems with stability/posting over 2.05v. Found out the Power MOSFETs were overheating.

If you havent already checked them out, give em a quick once over with the ol' Mark 1 finger.

Yea I was going to through a heat sink on them when I set up the mobo but the heat sink I had was to wide so I have to cut it down first to fit it in there.

OPP
01-05-2003, 08:15 AM
PCGenious

Damn dude your score is insane, where can I find the rig specs of that. Also I have had the same prob with my 8rda+ not publishing scores. It pisses me off. ORB really needs to fix that.
01-05-2003, 08:16 AM
OPPAINTER

Quote:

Originally posted by spaceman
Yep, that's gotta be at least part of the problem. Every time I run 3DMark, it shows me usin' 2x, when it's clearly set to 8x in the BIOS, and SANDRA '03 confirms 8x. Worst of all, it always shows my 2400+ as a Duron. :rolleyes: I'd almost rather have it just say "unknown". :p

I doubt that the 8x is the problem, I have been publishing all my other scores with it at 8x or 4x, didn't matter. the only time I have ever seen this can't publish message was from this mobo yesterday.

OPP
01-05-2003, 08:21 AM
OPPAINTER

Rig specs.

Prometeia cooled XP2700 13x119 @ 1.98V, 8RDA mobo, 2x IBM 120 GXPs Raid-0 on Promise FF Card, 2x 256Mb Kingston HyperX 3500 @ 2.86V, 9700 Radeon at 501/355

OPP
01-05-2003, 08:23 AM
OPPAINTER

Quote:

Originally posted by Shroomer
Congrats on the score man :D :toast:

I just got a 8rda+ and a 2700 same stepping as you :D

could you tell me what PSU and bios you are using ?

I have a TTGI PSU and I'm useing the C16 sofar.
http://xtreme.routehero.com/mricee/i...i_review_1.htm

OPP
01-05-2003, 08:32 AM
DR. YT

hey opp in all honisty do you think you got a shot at hilo's 2nd place or do you think you have reached the limits?
01-05-2003, 08:57 AM
MrLavender

Found the relevant thread now that the Futuremark forums are working again. The explanation from a staff member was that the cpu speed varied too much during testing, so it definitely must be something to do with the way 3dMark detects it on NF1/NF2 boards. :(

Quote:

Hello everybody...

I took a look at the projects that some of you in this
thread submitted to find out what is the problem. In all
disabled projects that I found the problem was that the cpu
speed varied during testing.

There are certain set limits to how much cpu speed can
change during testing (some variation is allowed because it
always happens in some extent) but in the projects that I
reviewed the variation was marked to be over the limits.
Too much variation in CPU speed may distort the score to
the point that it really does not reflect the actual
performance of the computer and this is why the frequency
is checked multiple times during testing.
There are many reasons why this happens (overclocking
being just one of them) and it does not nessesserily happen
constantly (you can have two runs in same settings where
one has this behaiviour and another does not) so basically
when this happens it is usually just different variables in the
testing combining in a "wrong" way that leads to
momenterily speed variation in the CPU.

::Risto C
01-05-2003, 09:18 AM
BrainStorm

Quote:

Originally posted by MrLavender
Found the relevant thread now that the Futuremark forums are working again. The explanation from a staff member was that the cpu speed varied too much during testing, so it definitely must be something to do with the way 3dMark detects it on NF1/NF2 boards. :(

Wow, interesting post. But the question becomes: will they accept the score, or does OPP just have to keep running the benckmark in the hope that the CPU speed straightens itself out on one of his runs? It didn't sound like from that post that the folks at FM were willing to allow scores in those situations. That would suck.

EDIT: and hey, it seems strange in that OPPS first 21K+ score the CPU speed was misreported and he wasn't able to publish (which does make sense), but on the last higher one, his CPU speed was correctly reported as I recall (which does not make so much sense). If 3dMark checks CPU speed multiple times, I wonder how it determines what to report?
01-05-2003, 09:19 AM
The Reeferman

Hey guys,

I'm looking for a new board for a friend of me. First I was thinking off the asus NF2. But I heard the The Multiplier is locked with a 2400+. He won't unlock his chip so I need a board that unlocks the xp2400+ by default. What about the epox, can I change the MP of the 2400+ without core or pin mods???
01-05-2003, 09:24 AM
DR. YT

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BrainStorm
[B]Wow, interesting post. But the question becomes: will they accept the score, or does OPP just have to keep running the benckmark in the hope that the CPU speed straightens itself out on one of his runs? It didn't sound like from that post that the folks at FM were willing to allow scores in those situations. That would suck.

i was thinking the same thing did any of the people in the original thred ever get posted
01-05-2003, 10:33 AM
STEvil

So, out of curiosity, anyone tried taking their heatsink off their P4 and seeing if it would still run?

I (and a few others here, im sure) would be interested in if the benchmark result could be published if a heatsink had been removed part way through the bench so as to invoke the P4's thermal protection... 8-)

I smell fish.
01-05-2003, 10:42 AM
br@insc@n

Opp, have you modded your XP2700+ by cutting the one L12 bridge?

I've got the 8RDA+ and the same CPU, but I cannot use multis >12.5. Had this "bug" occured before you changed to c16?

thx br@insc@n
01-05-2003, 11:47 AM
MrLavender

Quote:

Originally posted by STEvil
So, out of curiosity, anyone tried taking their heatsink off their P4 and seeing if it would still run?

I (and a few others here, im sure) would be interested in if the benchmark result could be published if a heatsink had been removed part way through the bench so as to invoke the P4's thermal protection... 8-)

I smell fish.

Some ppl made exactly the same point in the original thread on the FM forum, and further claimed that there were many examples of published benchmarks with thermal throttling. The response....a deafening silence. :(

The only way this could make sense is if the benchmark is sometimes getting a *wildly* inaccurate reading from NF boards.

There are many ways of measuring/estimating cpu speed in a program, and I suspect that to make cheating harder 3dMark probably uses a pretty non-standard method. I know that even on my KX7 the reported speed never agrees exactly with what either the bios or wcpuid says (especially when you fiddle with settings like Enhance For Benchmark which add an extra MHz or so to the fsb).

All speculation, but what it comes down to is that it's going to be up to FM whether to allow it or not. And like was said, no-one else seems to have had any luck. :(

MrIcee says above that this situation applies to one out of 3 or 4 submissions with the NF7-S. Can you get any scores at all published with this board OPP?
01-05-2003, 11:51 AM
MrIcee

OPP:)

There may be another problem in publishing the scores. If the board is not 100% stable at your present clocks(even tho it is is or appears to be physically in finishing the benches), 3DMark detects flucuation in speeds...be it CPU or videocard...and it embeds that info in the.3dp. When you submit...their filter won't let you publish upon detecting this flucuation.

I went thru that with my 18,864 score a couple months ago. (KX7)Perfect run.....straight thru....but it couldn't be published. I wrote RistoC and asked what was going on..and he explained this anomalie to me. I did have the board right at the edge..and my thoughts are possibly, tho all appears 100% stable and perfect, that maybe there is an idiosyncrasy(sp) with the 8RDA+ at top clocks that is causing a problem, showing flucuations in the .3dp. Food for thought my friend:)

Randi:D
01-05-2003, 12:44 PM
Shroomer

Quote:

Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I have a TTGI PSU and I'm useing the C16 sofar.
http://xtreme.routehero.com/mricee/i...i_review_1.htm

OPP

Thanx for the reply big guy :D

I have been reading that the 8rda is a PSU monster :eek:
and that the rails do need to be adjusted no matter what PSU you use and even more so if you have dual chanel in use and are heavy on the vdimm :(

Looks like I will have to pick one of these PSU's up later ;)

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