As much as I hate to say it, even though this is XS and most people here are pretty respectable, competition has a way in bringing out the worst in people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troman
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As much as I hate to say it, even though this is XS and most people here are pretty respectable, competition has a way in bringing out the worst in people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troman
that goes without saying (even for a skeptic like me) I have faith in most people..... but it only takes one turd to mess it up for everyone else. ;)
Aighty ... we also want conclusive proof that someone is cheating, not just a hunch. Kick+Ban on a hunch isn't a good policy ;)
So I think we might want to not use benches that can be cheated on, to avoid the problem completely...
if only people would stop cheating... :(
since suprpi is the only bench with a way to verify the results, a checksum, i think we should go for that bench... what do you guys think?
and yes, if somebody manipulates the results he will get disqualified and most likely banned from xs, im going to check with the other admins to see what they think.
3DMark01
3DMark03
3DMark05
AquaMark03
Super_Pi [Mod]
And our final benchmark: UMark + UT2004 Demo :)
http://unrealmark.net/
ut2004-demo3334.exe
Official Botmatch Bencmark + Official Flyby Benchmark @ 1024x768 (for compatability among members here :))
"UMark and UMark online implement several security measures to help prevent cheaters from modifying their benchmark scores. This will help ensure that the scores on UMark Online are all fair, and it may be possible to hold benchmarking contests."
Here's the catch. To upload results you have to be a member and membership is $8.99. So here's what I propose. One person, mod, judge, is responsible for checking results. We, the benchers, run both tests until we get our final result, and then save it as a .umark results file named properly. IE: [LilGator.Botmatch.umark] and [LilGator.Flyby.umark] ... upload as an attachment in our results post, and the judge grabs the .umark, loads it into his copy of Umark and verifies the result.
Theoretically, of course, I'm going to test this out now to make sure it works as I stated. :)
hmmm imma contact them and ask if they can let us use it for free and in return we promote it or something :)
:thumbsup:
yeah, thx man :)
eesh, I just grabbed the ut2004 demo @ 3.5MB/sec ... yeah megaBYTES :D lol
It's an older engine that runs very fast on most hardware. [OpenGL right ?] Not sure there is a definite advantage of nVidia over ATi ...
i think it was faster on ati first, but the recent benches i saw of it showed nvidia was slightly faster. but its minimal, and if it matters we can make ati and nvidia categories, but in the overall field we should be able to iron out any preferences of single benches for one piece of hardware and get an idea of the overall performence.
in benchmarks!
not in real life! if hardware performs well in benchmarks it means just that, its fast in benchmarks, it doesnt mean its fast in real life apps :D most people forget about that
Mmmkay, just tested it out. If we can't get into the online results system, it can work as I showed above, having a judge. I saved a couple .umark files, loaded them, and could verify bench settings of the test, FPS and final score as well as machine info such as CPU/Video/RAM so we could make sure it was run on the same system.
A few bugs/possible cheats ... someone help me out here and see if you come to the same conclusion.
1) If you hit escape and exit real quick after it starts benching, it will go back to Umark and give you FPS and results. Does it check if it was aborted, or completed the entire test ?
2) If you hit escape and leave the menu up during the test, do you get higher FPS ?
I think that the whole ATI/nVidia/AMD/Intel catigories is a bad idea, because in real grand prix's (sp? sorry for the real world comparo, I hate them too) there are different manufactures. but the pipes/cooling thing is like different classes.
p.s. 59XX series are 4 pipes right?
I really don't care what benches we run :D There is no way to please everyone and as long as everyone is running the same benches.. who cares? :toast:
Are we going to be able to use different operating systems for different benches? Or do you have to stick to one?
yay im pumped for this. Got my processor up to 2.55 very stable just today, and did a little Airconditioner mod this week, I should be able to bench at the caazc's brick wall of 2.6 and hopefully my Video card will benefit from the 18C degree ambient Idle temps :)
Ohhhh yea. My new 660 is arriving just in time it seems!
superpi 32m yes or no? since it can be validated.
UT2004 in OpenGL or D3D? Nvidia should prefer OpenGL, but will it be allowed?
Whens the competition gonna start guys unless its stated somewhere in this thread in which case i missed it...
Have a slight problem, in that from ~ the 28th of June, 1/2 of my pc will be the other side of the country as I'm heading home for a bit. The P4C, doth, BH5 and booster are coming back, however the 9800pro isnt. If I run some benchmarks on the 9800 while its here, and submit later will that be ok? If everythigs run before then thats not a problem :)
UT2004 is direct X, i've got a couple of things i'd like to point out in that, i dont see how were gonna divide it into fair categorys, because if you do it by video card this doesnt take into account the CPU etc.. and vice versa, as much as i like the idea i dont think everyones gonna be on a level playing field, for example with LOD how are we gonna know if the nvidia users have/havn't used LOD on their benchs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fission
any os is fine :) you can change it just as you can change the drivers :)Quote:
Originally Posted by boshuter
read the rules thread, no date set yet :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Highland3r
hmmm theres no way to see if it was opengl or d3d and since we cant control it it would be stupid to try to restrict it imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fission
so i guess opengl or d3d, whatever scores better for you, so ogl for nvidia and d3d for ati... IF we pick ut2004 :D
that snot an argument against ut2004, nvidia people can use lod tweaks in all benches afaik :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamo
added all the questions to the competition rules :)
UT2004 can be run in OpenGL, and at least for me, that is far faster than running it in D3D.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamo
ok so on the future mark benchmarks we have to use futuremark aproved drivers but what bout aquamark ? ive never run that are there aquamark aprooved drivers or something ? if not are you going to specify what driver/s we can and cannot use ?
about the categories:
I think it is somewhat unfair for people with PhCh to compete against LN2 or cascades , so maybe we should have these categories:
Air / Water / PhCh / Unlimited
Also I think that chilled water should fall under PhCH because to chilled water is usually maybe by PhCh techniques and has about the same cooling capacity
just one last question bout drivers then im done i promise. what if mid contest new drivers are WHQL certified can we then use them ? in my opinion i think it should be set to the latest WHQL drivers at the begining of the compition, but thats just my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Troman