Prepare for San Diego 4000+, 3700+ and 3500+ (!)

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04-13-2005, 10:31 AM
S0nic

Quote:

Originally Posted by terrace215

3500+ San Diego was a mistake. There is a BN 3500+, but it is "4BN", meaning there was 1MB L2 on die ("BN") but ("4") only 512K of it has been left on. So, it is effectively a Venice 3500+ in terms of performance.

These parts are made from 3700+ San Diegos that either had a partially defective L2 cache, or AMD disabled it even though they did not have to, for supply/demand/pricing reasons.

so why would they be 200mhz slower but for the same price?
04-13-2005, 11:58 AM
Orthogonal

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferry82

AMD Athlon 64 3000+ S939 90nm Venice @1.8 Ghz 512k
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ S939 90nm Venice @2.0 Ghz 512k
AMD Athlon 64 3500+ S939 90nm Venice @2.2 Ghz 512k
AMD Athlon 64 3800+ S939 90nm Venice @2.4 Ghz 512k

AMD Athlon 64 3500+ S939 90nm San Diego @2.0 Ghz 1M
AMD Athlon 64 3700+ S939 90nm San Diego @2.2 Ghz 1M
AMD Athlon 64 4000+ S939 90nm San Diego @2.4 Ghz 1M
AMD Athlon 64 4200+ S939 90nm San Diego @2.6 Ghz 1M
AMD Athlon 64 FX55 S939 90nm San Diego @2.6 Ghz 1M?????
AMD Athlon 64 FX57 S939 90nm San Diego @2.8 Ghz 1M

So this are all the nieuw CPU's???????
Correct me if i am wrong!!!

I would say that's correct and I would be willing to bet the 4200+ replaces the FX-55 like the 4000+ replaced the FX-53 even though you can find them all in stock.
04-13-2005, 03:56 PM
reject

the 754 3700+ is only 470-500$ here. i would gladly pay that much for a san diego.
04-13-2005, 05:12 PM
OC Detective

Like I said the "BN" 3500+ is just the same as the "AS" 3500+ insomuch they are cache crippled. The frequency is higher by 200MHz than a san diego or clawhammer would be for the same rating to compensate for the half cache. (e.g 3500+ BN is 2.2GHz with 512KB L2 cache, not 2GHz with 1MB L2 cache and 3700+ is 2.2GHz with 1MB L2 cache)
04-13-2005, 06:55 PM
Gogeta

So this officially only has 512k of L2?

http://akiba.ascii24.com/akiba/news/...ages770990.jpg
04-13-2005, 07:03 PM
Geforce4ti4200

omg you guys are right!

http://www.c627627.com/AMD/Athlon64/

they updated amd's roadmap to reflect 512k cache! Thought so and amd is smart for saving the Diegos with bad cache and remarking all those as 3500+ rather than throwing em away and losing $$$$$$$$$
04-13-2005, 07:09 PM
matt9669

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Originally Posted by conrad.maranan

[OFFTOPIC]Well, I'd much rather be with a Sandy (hot, sensual female) than a Diego (Italian mafia hitman). But that's just me. :cool:[/OFFTOPIC]

Ugh, gross, that's my 16 year old cousin's name - and yes, she's hot, but damn that's nasty, I'd rather have the hitman . . . :rofl:

:off: :slap:
04-13-2005, 07:18 PM
OC Detective

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200

omg you guys are right!

http://www.c627627.com/AMD/Athlon64/

they updated amd's roadmap to reflect 512k cache! Thought so and amd is smart for saving the Diegos with bad cache and remarking all those as 3500+ rather than throwing em away and losing $$$$$$$$$

Dude why do you think it was changed - it was because we told him that! doh!
04-13-2005, 07:20 PM
Geforce4ti4200

They had incorrect info for several days till it got changed, our words finally went thru! Im still curious on the price of a 3700+ diego and a 3000+ venice
04-13-2005, 07:23 PM
OC Detective

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gogeta

So this officially only has 512k of L2?

http://akiba.ascii24.com/akiba/news/...ages770990.jpg

yes the 4BN makes that pretty clear 4 = 512KB L2 cache
04-13-2005, 07:33 PM
OC Detective

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200

They had incorrect info for several days till it got changed, our words finally went thru! Im still curious on the price of a 3700+ diego and a 3000+ venice

Not several days - less than a day actually as he only included the new san diegos yesterday after I alerted him.
3000+ = $157, 3700+ = $350 already on pre order
http://www.sparco.com/cgi-bin/wfind2?spn=A80G481
04-13-2005, 07:45 PM
frostedflakes

I think this is a good move on AMDs part. There are a lot of current Winchester users that have descent overclocks already, and don't see much point in upgrading to Venice. However, 1mb and increased overclockability for a reasonable price is much more appealing.
04-14-2005, 03:32 AM
Ferry82

update:

These will be out this month.

AMD Athlon 64 3000+ S939 90nm Venice (BP) @1.8 Ghz 512k yes
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ S939 90nm Venice (BP) @2.0 Ghz 512k yes
AMD Athlon 64 3500+ S939 90nm Venice (BP) @2.2 Ghz 512k yes
AMD Athlon 64 3500+ S939 90nm Venice (BN) @2.2 Ghz 512k yes
AMD Athlon 64 3800+ S939 90nm Venice (BP) @2.4 Ghz 512k yes

AMD Athlon 64 3700+ S939 90nm San Diego (BN) @2.2 Ghz 1M yes
AMD Athlon 64 4000+ S939 90nm San Diego (BN) @2.4 Ghz 1M yes
AMD Athlon 64 FX55 S939 90nm San Diego (BN) @2.6 Ghz 1M yes

AMD Athlon 64 4200+ S939 90nm San Diego (BN) @2.6 Ghz 1M Comes in July
AMD Athlon 64 FX57 S939 90nm San Diego (BN) @2.8 Ghz 1M Comes in July

Correct me if i'm wrong about the 3500+ thing!
04-14-2005, 09:57 AM
LoKi2k

www.compressorcooling.com

check it!!! in a few minutes the review is online ;)
04-14-2005, 10:13 AM
Orthogonal

Ferry82, considering they did the same thing to the previous revision 3500+ making them castrated Clawhammers, I wouldn't be surprised if AMD did the same thing again.
04-14-2005, 10:20 AM
Ferry82

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoKi2k

www.compressorcooling.com

check it!!! in a few minutes the review is online ;)

Still pushing the F5 button :mad:
04-14-2005, 10:23 AM
Fzero

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200

omg you guys are right!

http://www.c627627.com/AMD/Athlon64/

they updated amd's roadmap to reflect 512k cache! Thought so and amd is smart for saving the Diegos with bad cache and remarking all those as 3500+ rather than throwing em away and losing $$$$$$$$$

i really wish people would quit following this stupid hand made "roadmap" its wrong and always has bin wrong it is just a bunch of speculation mix with alot of i duno i mean look at it FX-57 coming out in Q3 and then the FX-59 coming out in Q4 cmon now thats a load of crap
04-14-2005, 10:54 AM
LoKi2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferry82

Still pushing the F5 button :mad:

sorry, but i dont know, what o8ur damn admin is doing... i am also pushing the f5 button :(
04-14-2005, 12:02 PM
Faceless Rebel

Any news on your San Diego review Loki2k? I am not seeing it at your site...
04-14-2005, 12:19 PM
Geforce4ti4200

I thought the 3700+ Diego has a 11x multi

I have seen several people say 12x multi so I am posting this thread to clear up some confusion. It is important to get facts right. Am I right in saying the 3700+ has only up to 11x?
04-14-2005, 12:22 PM
thebluesgnr

Socket 939 3700+ = 2.2GHz, 1MB L2 cache, dual-channel support.

So yes.
04-14-2005, 12:23 PM
Jamo

from what i understand the 3700+ diego is 2.2ghz, so that means its an 11x multi in my book, i think there getting confused with the non 1mb version which is 2.4ghz hence 12 multi

edit: little slow there ;)
04-14-2005, 01:08 PM
Fzero

11 multi for sure only the 4000+ & 3800+ will have 12 multi
04-14-2005, 01:36 PM
Unrealcpu

Well i just ordered my FX55 BN retail box at sparco. HEHE
04-14-2005, 03:12 PM
Faceless Rebel

http://translate.google.com/translat...language_tools

Google badly translated version of San Diego 3700+ German review!
2.722@1.4V stable
2.887@1.55V stable
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