And another new board to play with ;-)

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Originally Posted by trans am

I will have the board any day now. I'm not sure what oc options it has, but we'll see. MSI usually stands for m.ore s.hi+ i.ncoming, i doubt things will change.

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will wait for your result ;) hope that board is not bad 'cause the price is great cheap :toast:

My full time job keeps me busy enough. I'll leave the marketing to the experts...the marketing department. :)

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Originally Posted by gundamit

Grayskull may be list as "ATI Support" but he may want to look a career in ATI's marketing department. Using phrases like "low cost" and posting compelling screen shots he may have piqued a lot of interest and sold a lot of boards to XS members in the last 24 hours. I might be in for one regardless of how things play out with Nvidia's SLI. :D

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I just can't believe it was said that agp isn't a strong enough market? Do you think people who just payed $500 for their X800XT last summer want to shell it out again for the same card of a different slot type? Come on, it's the opposite. People would rather keep their current card since there is absolutely nothing wrong with it then to part with it for the same thing again. Not everyone out there is ready to redo an entire system over night with new gfx cards, 24 pin psus etc.

How far is the release date? Days, weeks, months..??

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Originally Posted by cantankerous

I just can't believe it was said that agp isn't a strong enough market? Do you think people who just payed $500 for their X800XT last summer want to shell it out again for the same card of a different slot type? Come on, it's the opposite. People would rather keep their current card since there is absolutely nothing wrong with it then to part with it for the same thing again. Not everyone out there is ready to redo an entire system over night with new gfx cards, 24 pin psus etc.

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Yeah, well nVidia did the same. It's an excellent marketing choice really. It makes the enthusiats buy ANOTHER high end card, and a motherboard at the same time. If they let the enthusiast go off with their "old" AGP, then the lower class enthusiast will buy a lower ranged card, i.e. less money for makers, as the top range cards bear a premium. Marketing, pure and simple. Rather make the enthusiast pay the premium he is willing to pay multiple times, and leave the lower range "gamer" buy the "old" stuff. Of course the PSU is another matter altogether, it will probably make me BLEED :(

your doing it again, test the BOARD not your ram, we all know your ram does 260fsb 2-2-2 blah as you did exactly the same in the DFI thread, test how high the BOARD can go or change the title to "Promoting my employers ram" or something similar.

The MSI has no overclocking options at all (not even CPU Host Frequency), there's a review at OCWorkBench and the manual is up too.

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Originally Posted by cantankerous

I just can't believe it was said that agp isn't a strong enough market? Do you think people who just payed $500 for their X800XT last summer want to shell it out again for the same card of a different slot type? Come on, it's the opposite. People would rather keep their current card since there is absolutely nothing wrong with it then to part with it for the same thing again. Not everyone out there is ready to redo an entire system over night with new gfx cards, 24 pin psus etc.

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Those people who have shelled out such excessive funds for a GPU have been aware of their options. In other words, it has been no secret that the Radeon Xpress chipset would be PCI-e only. The point here is actually very simple: If you care to be an enthusiast and purchase premium parts the likes of the average consumer will never see, then you hold a self obligation to do as much research as possible to ensure that your purchases do not stand in the way of future-proofness and/or smart upgrades. It would be one thing if such information was not available to the end-user; however, almost anyone with a knack for knowledge can easily frequent public forums and review sites for the pertinent information they need. So with all due respect, people who pay $500 for a card then regret that decision at a later time have nobody but themselves to blame.

deception``

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Originally Posted by AcEmAsTr

your doing it again, test the BOARD not your ram, we all know your ram does 260fsb 2-2-2 blah as you did exactly the same in the DFI thread, test how high the BOARD can go or change the title to "Promoting my employers ram" or something similar.

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Oh im sorry bud, let me know what test you want me to run and i will try and help?

Thing is everyone is asking me how well the boards overclock memory as ram overclocking has become very important of late....to you it doesn't seem to matter though.

Info i can tell you is i have run 250X5LDT just like the ATI rep has. My 3800+ clocked to just shy of 2.7GHZ which was the same as the DFI. 300+ 1:1 is pretty easy also.

I can't quote what other brands of ram clock like as you would guess but I hope my posts give a general idea of what is to come.

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Originally Posted by deception``

Those people who have shelled out such excessive funds for a GPU have been aware of their options. In other words, it has been no secret that the Radeon Xpress chipset would be PCI-e only. The point here is actually very simple: If you care to be an enthusiast and purchase premium parts the likes of the average consumer will never see, then you hold a self obligation to do as much research as possible to ensure that your purchases do not stand in the way of future-proofness and/or smart upgrades. It would be one thing if such information was not available to the end-user; however, almost anyone with a knack for knowledge can easily frequent public forums and review sites for the pertinent information they need. So with all due respect, people who pay $500 for a card then regret that decision at a later time have nobody but themselves to blame.

deception``

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Hi Deception,

though I don't doubt what you are saying you never got my point. I as well as many others DID know that things were switching to PCIE, however, there is NO gain in going pcie right now. AGP isn't even being used to its full potential. All I was saying is the remark above made it seem like agp was crap and wasn't worth being supported anymore just because a newer type is out. This shouldn't be the case at all.

Alright, now I 'm a relative newb to OC'ing compared to a lot of ppl here, but I noticed something about the screen posted by Grayskull. Under the Sandra System Summary, Video system section, it lists 2 video adapters, both X850s. Is this just how Sandra reports things, or is this a hint of something else(ATi's version of SLI)?

I probably am just dumb, but the thought of dual ATi cards get me all giddy as I prefer ATi cards to nVidia.

*EDIT* - Here's a link to the screenie from grayskull I'm talking about.
Click here for Screenshot

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That's how sandra reports it. In mine it says the same thing but 9800pro and 9800pro secondary.

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Originally Posted by bigtoe

Oh im sorry bud, let me know what test you want me to run and i will try and help?

Thing is everyone is asking me how well the boards overclock memory as ram overclocking has become very important of late....to you it doesn't seem to matter though.

Info i can tell you is i have run 250X5LDT just like the ATI rep has. My 3800+ clocked to just shy of 2.7GHZ which was the same as the DFI. 300+ 1:1 is pretty easy also.

I can't quote what other brands of ram clock like as you would guess but I hope my posts give a general idea of what is to come.

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you've brought out ram that does 300htt+, so why use vx that stops at 260? why not get the board as high as it possibly can

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Originally Posted by cantankerous

Hi Deception,

though I don't doubt what you are saying you never got my point. I as well as many others DID know that things were switching to PCIE, however, there is NO gain in going pcie right now. AGP isn't even being used to its full potential. All I was saying is the remark above made it seem like agp was crap and wasn't worth being supported anymore just because a newer type is out. This shouldn't be the case at all.

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http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=355145

Under the video cards section, you'll find a very compelling argument as to why PCI-e is a necessary move.

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Hi, thanks for the link. I don't doubt that down the road it is definately better just right now it isn't what it is all made out to be and it may be some time before it actually is.

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Originally Posted by AcEmAsTr

you've brought out ram that does 300htt+, so why use vx that stops at 260? why not get the board as high as it possibly can

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Because HTT is not what defines performance.

400+ is great, but useless if the ram cant do it.

grayskull thanks for the screenshot, whats the max htt you can get stable???

i might wait for this chipset and not nf4 & dfi.

hope they come out soon, and lots of it

A round of all benchies would be cool :) kind of like a mini review

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Originally Posted by G0DZILLA

A round of all benchies would be cool :) kind of like a mini review

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Things are moving to fast for that...as soon as we post they improve something ;)

Guess that can't be to bad then.

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Originally Posted by bigtoe

Things are moving to fast for that...as soon as we post they improve something ;)

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Better than as soon as we buy they improve something :D

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Originally Posted by Dunk

Better than as soon as we buy they improve something :D

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:D ant that the truth

i read some time back that ati boards will be available 2H 05 (june??) or has the timelime shifted forward slightly?

well 2H 05 would be the 2nd half of 2005, meaning July or later. I assume you meant Q2 05, which is April-June. It looks to me that the release may come a bit sooner than that, although its still probably a month or two off if bigtoe has a very early board.

It all looks very promising, though. :)

Ya competition is good for US :) more solid chipsets plz....