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see the thread in the amd sub-forum about the new dfi board.
well that's what you need to release lol.
One more tidbit for usb vs ps2; a link to that puts it into perspective:
http://galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu/~tomcat/beapro1.htm
google cached version:
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...nse+time&hl=en
I rate an average 250ms from the reflex tester page:)
Oh, I vote for ps/2; I have no use for wasted cpu cycles:P
basically ATI.
make this board as good as how the DFI board is looking with the nforce4 SLI.
but thats up to the board manufacturer moreso. compare the asus to the DFI.
one board sucks, the other is amazing.
Can you be more precise I tried to search with no luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by DevilsRejection
Perhaps you're refering to the thread about the nf3 s939 DFI board?
Thanks
EDIT: Oh I just found it here
Yea its the thread that has ammassed 260 posts in 24 hours... :stick:
nF4, not nf3 :P
how about a super easy bios flashing utility.
i like winflash but, alot of people are scared to flash thier bios becasue they dont understand what they need to do.
also i love the memtest86 in the bios of my lanpartyUT DFI, its awesome.
how about a utility that tests the cpu and ram in the same way.
really i want something that i dont have to upgrade in like 2months lol.
and i love the black pcb always looks awesome. :toast:
UV reactive circuts on a black PCB :D onboard tach
i love the idea of usb floppy.
i never really use it anyways i would rather have more features.
another thing i really like about nForce3 is the no southbridge.
1.) Even if you wont let 4v and 2v be available in the stock bios, atleast make it unlockable by the people like tictac? I believe the DFI board has higher Vdimm with a modded bios. Dont pull from the 3.3v line please!! :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grayskull
Windows based utilitys suck... generally.. Abits uGuru doesnt work well at all.
just give us the ICS number and we'll make our own clock utility for it ;)
That might be a little tougher than you might think. :D
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Originally Posted by Kunaak
why is that, cant deciede on the chip, or trying to make one we can't screw around with ;)
not sure if it's been mentioned but will you have bios memory option like DFI NF3 250Gb's drive strength.. it really makes a difference in high mhz memory overclocking especially for 2x 512MB modules!
The chip has been decided on. ;)
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Originally Posted by Kunaak
I've been told this is a misconception. The CPU only supports two levels of drive for all the important signals on the memory interface (normal and weak drive). The default is normal drive and weak drive is not recommended. This comes from a good source.
Newer CPUs are a different story however. They have some strength adjustments but they don't look like they are in that particular board's sbios unless there was an update.
It would be interesting to hear some real world experience as to how the drive strength control helped overclocking.
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Originally Posted by eva2000
it definitely helped on DFI NF3 250Gb my results at http://i4memory.com/showthread.php?t=142
i.e. 2x 512MB Kingston HyperX PC3200 KHX3200/512 BH-5 without drive strength only does 233mhz 2-2-2-6 at 3.3-3.6v, change to drive strength 1 or 2 and i can do 250mhz 2-2-2-6 at 3.4-3.6v
1x 512MB OCZ PC3700EB same board without drive strength only does around 260-265mhz 3-2-2-6, drive strength 1 or 2 and i'm doing 275-283mhz 3-2-2-6 at 3.43v
then again it does depend on the memory modules, some modules have no difference
now what would be wonderfully if you managed to allow 4 dimm modules populated and still do 1T command rate hehe, i don't know of one board that can do that yet
Has anyone actually checked what changes in the CPU register programming when changing the drive strength settings in the cmos?
Anyone who has access to a BKDG will be able to see what I'm talking about in terms of drive strength.
I may have to get one of these boards in my lab to see what it actually does.
dont know if anyone has checked to see what registers change, but there are differences between 1,2,3 and 4.. maybe just that some dont work indicating they dont change anything or to an unsupported value?
I do have a question though.. how about cas latencies higher than 3? I have yet to see a board that posts with a cas latency of 3.5 or higher.. so is that a chipset issue or a bios issue?
higher than 3? mmm...that might be good for extremely high 1:1 FSB running. Is that what you want?
jjcom
something like that
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Originally Posted by STEvil
:D
Would be interesting to see if cas of 3.5 would hurt performance bad enough and let you have enough of a speed boost to change anything :slobber:
My A-Data Pc4000 is just begging for me to get an a64 and push that stuff to its max. :)
What TA wants...
I think the board should have a bright white PCB. think about it. who has done a white pcb? White looks awesome under uv. and uv lights make it look cool, but even without lights, the shock value alone would make it a universally recognised board. You guys want something that is unexpected. RED pcb is so predictable from ati. And black is too boring. Yeah white pcb might look dirty quick and collect dust, but most of us are on top with board maintenance and it would look good when you first pull it out of the box. I think for the other options just look at dfi and do what they are doing, but take out all the bs we don't need. like that 5.25 bay thing they give you on the high end model, and most of us use pci cards for sound. I don't care what they say, onboard sound blows! we need some sataII, and 3 ram dimms. who uses all 4? most of us only need 2, but if using a ddr booster, you want to have 3. if the board has up to 4vdimm avail, we only need 2 slots. takes booster out of the equasion and leaves more space on the board. the dual gpu is key! nvidia is really taking the 05/03 orb scores because of sli. Ati needs to either come out with a single slot pci-e card with 2 cores, or get us an sli killer/ AMR. It would be cool if ati made an easy vmod card with a simple jumper on the card for us using xtreme cooling to allow more voltage. this would be hot! just pull the plug and bam! you're in voltage heaven! Then once you've set the jumper, you flash the cards bios to allow higher voltage through the card. THis will keep the average joe from making a mistake. (then again, how many average joe's would buy a card like this?) This would really be nice because once you start soldering, there goes the warranty....
I would also like to see a board that has a cmos jumper in a place that is actually accessible. with all my watercooling and crap and tubes all over, I need to use a flash light get on my hands and knees and use a surgical tools just to reset the damn cmos jumper. make a long plastic jumper that sticks out far so you can actually get to it without having a panic attack. maybe put the jumper on the upper left side by the ps2 ports. instead of including crap you don't use, maybe a simple 90mm fan with an arm that can be mounted through a small hole through the pcb to go over the ram dimms. that would be awesome! Ati needs to crack down on quality control too. there are too many board makers that don't look before they jump. nvidia doesn't seem to give a damn as long as they are making money. Board makers are releasing boards without having a single bios or manual etc. on their sites. Go to chaintech and look at the VNF4. this is a perfect example. MSI has an rs480 m2 and they don't have anything yet either. I am expecting that board any day for a review I'm doing and I don't even know if there's a beta bios or any support for that matter. Sheesh...:shrug:
Another thought...
Many people feel that it is high DRAM voltage that is killing A64 processors but we have not had an official word from AMD on this, so we are kinda flying blind.. it makes sense though as some dual channel setups will lose one channel at a time.
Is it possible to take the DRAM voltage and create a "divider" to reference from so the processor does not have to recieve such a high voltage? Or does it already recieve a low voltage but raising it increases the reference voltage too high?
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Originally Posted by STEvil
Stevil, you're talkin loco and I like it! :toast:
good idea, sounds very nice. my view on things:
Silver board with blood red and black PCI slots
jumper to change the board to use Vdimm from 5v rail
Some type of "control" panel on the front, that shows voltages, temps and has a little cover you move to press a "reset Cmos" button.
As for onboard sound...I like it, if you can get a nice high quilty on board sound going then its great...Creative Audgy 2 on board...is that possible?
some type of bracket on the board that puts a fan on top of the RAM, and a place to allow a fan to blow on the Mosfets for the RAM and CPU.
ABOSOLUTY NO OVP!!! :D
Sometype of acurate onboard voltage measurement and temp mesurement. That would be very useful.
Maybe have a board with on board LEDs...you know it has a place for like blue, green, red, etc colored LEDs to plug in. That would look nice....for those with those large coolers having red coming up through them.
Do away with with two PS/2 ports...make a universal plug for either keyboard or mouse and just have one, like on a laptop.
Come premade with nice NB, SB cooler.
I know some of these things have already been said, but I guess I'm trying to say I'm another vote for support :D
jjcom