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10-20-2004, 08:55 AM
pokipoki

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiCKeD

Patriot only hits 245fsb in that above link:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mem...patriot_3.html

Looks like it may be shorter than the Kingston though, which does not use BP:
http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage....144-160-01.JPG

http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage....220-033-02.jpg

pokipoki, why don't you post who is using what right now? It looks like A-Data & Geil also use the BP PCBs(?)

thanks for the links. All brands confirmed using BP PCBs are listed in post #1, it's maintained by The Runner. It's difficult to ascertain the type of PCB used by observing the pics (with heatspreader) unless we can id those PCB numbers on the underside of the module.

The underside will also show if there are less trace route between chips and power leads (the "gold fingers"). Adata seems to be using non-BP PCBs as their PCBs are red in color (all other BP are not red, the centre of the PCB also looks different from BP, I could be wrong though).

Owners of the modules in question will be in the best position to id the modules. Detailed pics are very hard to find :rolleyes:

Regards,
pokipoki
10-20-2004, 09:13 AM
WiCKeD

Adata's design looks like a revision of BP's design, over the reference. Looks possible that it's a mod of their design, similar to what Corsair did with the JEDEC version. Then again it could be something else entirely.

I know The Runner has posted the confirmed BP PCBs, but those two were not listed, which is why I asked. You seem to be staying on top of things. :cool:

The Geil looks almost identical to the BP PCB, and overclocks the highest.
10-20-2004, 11:35 AM
TEDY

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiCKeD

Patriot only hits 245fsb in that above link:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mem...patriot_3.html

Looks like it may be shorter than the Kingston though, which does not use BP:
http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage....144-160-01.JPG

http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage....220-033-02.jpg

pokipoki, why don't you post who is using what right now? It looks like A-Data & Geil also use the BP PCBs(?)

wrong

Dual Channel. Low Latency: PDC5123200LLK

you gotta look this

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mem...patriot_7.html

Extreme Performance PDC5123200+XBLK
10-20-2004, 11:40 AM
Wolf

I just got my 2x512MB sticks and the patriots use brainpower pcb B6U815. I'll check in later on how they do.

Priming them now at 2.5,3,3,10, 1t at 10x250.
10-20-2004, 11:52 AM
TEDY

w000t!!! pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

test them now !!!! :>
10-20-2004, 12:37 PM
The Runner

another update for you fellas.
10-20-2004, 01:47 PM
Wolf

I can run memtest at 9x279 2.5,3,3,7 1t 2.65v but it gets thousands of errors after it hits the second 512MB stick. This MSI is holding me back I believe. 10x250 is priming now at 2.5 3, 3, 7 1t. This is the furthest I've gone so far on this board testing about 7 sticks. Seems like this stuff is at least decent but the board is holding me back. I need to see if I can find a MSI bios good for samsung memory. I'm running the 1.52b now.
10-20-2004, 01:50 PM
TEDY

PLEASE PICS...you gotta have some digital cam ?
10-20-2004, 05:23 PM
xtrempinoy

i'm wondering how TCCC ram sticks overclock, anyone know
10-20-2004, 08:29 PM
rick_fx

Quote:

i'm wondering how TCCC ram sticks overclock

Can't be as good as TCCD ...
10-21-2004, 02:49 AM
The Runner

Quote:

Originally Posted by xtrempinoy

i'm wondering how TCCC ram sticks overclock, anyone know

supposedly not as good, some guy posted results on these very forums using cheap TCCC ram. The clocks were pretty impressive, about 285 w/ 3.1vdimm I *think*

if I could get a 1gb set of them for £100, I'd be happy.
10-21-2004, 07:00 AM
WiCKeD

Geil also has confirmed Brain Power PCBs. E-mailed the writer on the Anandtech review and pointed him to these threads.

Response:

Quote:

The Geil uses the brainpower PCB.

Wesley Fink
Senior Editor, AnandTech, Inc.
www.anandtech.com

Think one of the reps said TCCC doesn't hold the tight clocks as well.

Considering that TCCD is on revision F right now, TCCC is probably comparable to a prototype version of revision A. I'm just speculating, of course ;)

Wolf is it an 808 or 815 PCB? http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...768#post561768
What's the max you can get 2-2-2-X & 3-4-4-X using 1T?
10-21-2004, 10:48 AM
OC_Newbee

How good are these TCCx ram? I've haven't been following up on these things lately. My 2x 256 XMSPC3500 Bh-5 stick have died on me for no reason. It was working fine and all I did was take out the 2x 256mb stick and replace it with my 2x 512mb stick. And now this 2x 256mb stick would not boot up at all in any motherboard(try it on 3 different board). Man I will miss those 2x 256mb stick of bh-5. They were pretty good too, did 260 1:1 2-2-2-5 @ 3.47v(only run it 24/7 @255 2-2-2-5 @3.38v with 80mm fan blowing on top and 120mm side panel fan blowing directly on the rams).

Anyways, I just got a replacement from corsair today. They send me 2x 256mb stick of CMX256A-3200XL(suppose to carry the TCCD chip). My question is how good are these stick compare to my old bh-5. Still at work right now and won't be able to test these out until tonight and was just wondering how many people like these stick compare to bh-5.
10-21-2004, 11:33 AM
mcnbns

TCC4 sucks (3-4-4-8 at 200MHz). TCCC is better (3-3-3-8 at 200MHz). TCCD is best (2-2-2-5 at 200MHz). TCCD also seems to get the highest overall speed, and giving it more than 2.7-2.8V doesn't help it clock. TCCC, on the other hand, seems to respond to voltages above 3V quite nicely. Overall, TCCD is still what you want if you can get it.

With regards to how well the Corsair XL series (with TCCD chips) will perform compared to your current BH-5, the TCCD should clock higher with less voltage, but also with higher latencies (voltage will not help you tighten latencies at high speeds). I believe the XL series is rated to do 250MHz with 2.5-3-3-7 timings, but I know your BH-5 is better than that. There seem to be better clocking brands than the Corsair's TCCD stuff, though.
10-21-2004, 11:43 AM
WiCKeD

It died because you put ~3.5v through them :P

You will have to run with a divider if you want 2-2-2-X clocks. You might get 2.5-2-2-x or 2-3-3-X 1:1 though. I don't have any personal experience with the RAM yet, but that's what I've heard.
10-21-2004, 12:02 PM
Walrusbonzo

My older Corsair PC3200XL uses the JEDEC PCB and don't clock as well as my Patriot PC3200XBL that uses the BrainPower PCB.

Just FAYI
10-21-2004, 12:16 PM
The Runner

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walrusbonzo

My older Corsair PC3200XL uses the JEDEC PCB and don't clock as well as my Patriot PC3200XBL that uses the BrainPower PCB.

Just FAYI

Seen shot Walrusbonzo
10-21-2004, 01:03 PM
Walrusbonzo

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Runner

Seen shot Walrusbonzo

Sorry, not exactly sure what you mean by that.
10-21-2004, 01:11 PM
TEDY

PDP uses Brainpower PCB ? 100% ? make pics!!!
10-21-2004, 01:41 PM
The Runner

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walrusbonzo

Sorry, not exactly sure what you mean by that.

Lol, it means 'cool' :toast:
10-21-2004, 10:25 PM
Walrusbonzo

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEDY

PDP uses Brainpower PCB ? 100% ? make pics!!!

Well, I suspected they did when I heard that there was two different PCBs and the Brainpower was better than JEDEC. Now my PDP/Patriot is much better than my Corsair, both TCCD, so having took off the heatspreaders I noticed straight away how different they looked. I assumed the Patriot was the Brainpower.

NOW, also, I've seen the pics on here, and I'm certain that the PDP is the Brainpower as it is the smaller PCB with less components, and smaller components.

Sound good to you? Besides, my results should be proof enough, look at my sig, that's using 2 DIMMs. With 1 DIMM I was Prime stable to about 285MHz with the same timings and 2.9v~. I'm MEMTEST86 stable even upto 300MHz with the same timings and 2.9v.

Got no camera for PICs ATM, but I will get some when/if I can borrow my friends :)
10-21-2004, 10:58 PM
Wolf

Quote:

I just got my 2x512MB sticks and the patriots use brainpower pcb B6U815.

They use the brainpower pcb for sure. Sorry,I'm not taking out the digital camera and the sticks right now but they are clearly labeled on the pcb. You'll just have to trust me. I have no affiliation with the company.

I'm testing a new MSI bios right now. These sticks 2x512MB are prime stable at 1:1 250fsb 2.65v at 2.5,4,3,8,1t. 2.5,3,3,8 1t failed.

1:1 at 279fsb is not stable in my testing so far.I had to work today so I haven't had much time to play with it.
10-22-2004, 01:07 AM
stelleg151

Yeah I am trying to decide whether to get the PQI turbo or the Patriot, as they are the cheapest I believe. The PQI did well on the anandtech review, getting very good performance at 285 at 2.75v. The 2.75 volts is attractive to me cause it would be nice if something that costs approx 250 lasts for a little while.

Need to find direct comparison between the patriot and the PQI to make decision though or probably gonna go with PQI. Which you guys think is better?
10-22-2004, 05:35 AM
TEDY

i'm deciding also between PQI and PDP, it's like 15$ difference hehe
10-22-2004, 06:13 AM
Wolf

I guess if it was my choice and knowing what I do now I'd go with the PQI . It supposedly had the better brainpower pcb and a lot more people have had good results using these sticks. The patriot for $230 is a good deal also I believe but not as proven yet.

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