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05-09-2004, 08:15 AM
althes

time will tell, i will save for the x800pro.
05-09-2004, 11:55 AM
ibby

:) nice ...
05-09-2004, 01:28 PM
PCBliss

Yes it will be very interesting to see if the Pro can be flashed to an XT... as soon as someone finds out please let everyone else know! :)
05-09-2004, 01:40 PM
scrible88

Quote:

Originally posted by PCBliss
Yes it will be very interesting to see if the Pro can be flashed to an XT... as soon as someone finds out please let everyone else know! :)

My fingers have been crossed on this matter ever since ATI released that the cards were going to be 12 and 16 pipe.
05-10-2004, 03:24 AM
_zZz_

macci...any mods on this ati yet?

_zZz_
05-10-2004, 03:58 AM
zakelwe

Quote:

Originally posted by scrible88
My fingers have been crossed on this matter ever since ATI released that the cards were going to be 12 and 16 pipe.

ATI have put a hardware lock in there as well this time apparently ... according to Dave Baumann at b3d

Regards

Andy
05-10-2004, 04:04 AM
andyddr

That`s okay too. As long as my soldering iron can sort it out :up:
05-10-2004, 06:07 AM
Pha_Q

i'm already saving for a X800XT :-D
05-11-2004, 09:34 AM
JWB

Something tells me there will be alot of 9800's in the for sales thread:D Great score Macci, cannot wait tio see it clocked to the full.
05-11-2004, 09:42 AM
PCBliss

Yes this will be a good time for people looking for a 9800 Pro, there should be a ton of used ones up for sale soon! Good prices on good cards. I think i will keep mine though for my second rig, and have an X800XT in my main rig.
05-12-2004, 07:45 AM
***Deimos***

Quote:

Originally posted by PCBliss
Yes this will be a good time for people looking for a 9800 Pro, there should be a ton of used ones up for sale soon! Good prices on good cards. I think i will keep mine though for my second rig, and have an X800XT in my main rig.

likewise...

regarding the huge CPU-limit wall we have slammed into...
does anyone know if 3DMark2001/3DMark2003 can take advantage of SMP (mutli-processor). There was some talk while back about multiple core Opteron.... since ATI/nVidia doubled their pipelines maybe its appropriate that AMD/Intel double the cores....
:banana4:
05-12-2004, 10:04 AM
zakelwe

Quote:

Originally posted by ***Deimos***
likewise...

regarding the huge CPU-limit wall we have slammed into...
does anyone know if 3DMark2001/3DMark2003 can take advantage of SMP (mutli-processor). There was some talk while back about multiple core Opteron.... since ATI/nVidia doubled their pipelines maybe its appropriate that AMD/Intel double the cores....
:banana4:

I'm afraid not.

Regards

Andy

PS Wonder if 3dmark04 might have a 64 bit version, has anyone asked this question ?
05-12-2004, 10:12 AM
Revv23

Seems to me like they would have a whole new version.
05-12-2004, 12:00 PM
zakelwe

macci got 16k in 03 tonight. Almost 100fps on Trolls Lair, 50fps on previous cards was pretty good going, how things have moved on. Jason will be doing a nice score as well when he gets his XT if it proves to be a good one.

P4E not doing any favours I guess, a nice P4EE would be the order of the day me thinks :)

Nice score, very nice core clock on the XT.

:toast:

Regards

Andy
05-12-2004, 03:05 PM
Geforce4ti4200

wow thats sick! has Macci uploaded that 16k? I still say theres room for improvement, remember the 10k Macci got on 9800xt? I wont predict where we will end up, but way over 16k
05-12-2004, 04:41 PM
Soulburner

Quote:

Originally posted by zakelwe
P4E not doing any favours I guess, a nice P4EE would be the order of the day me thinks :)

IIRC, the P4E's were just as good as the P4EE's in 3DMark03, from the benchmarks I saw.
05-12-2004, 04:58 PM
STEvil

Who will be the first to hit 1ghz core on X8 series? ;)
05-12-2004, 05:02 PM
Soulburner

Quote:

Originally posted by STEvil
Who will be the first to hit 1ghz core on X8 series? ;)

Not going to happen. If they could, the 9600 would have already been there.
05-12-2004, 08:20 PM
Geforce4ti4200

hes right, the 9600 pros run cooler so if Macci got his hands on one of those hed be at 850-900MHz. I doubt we will see past 800MHz on the x800s but once ati goes 90nm then yes 1GHz
05-12-2004, 08:58 PM
zakelwe

Quote:

Originally posted by Soulburner
IIRC, the P4E's were just as good as the P4EE's in 3DMark03, from the benchmarks I saw.

Really ? :confused:

Does the extra cache not help on at least GT1 ? You could be right and I am assuming things.

Maybe FUGGER could advise ?

Regards

Andy
05-12-2004, 11:15 PM
Soulburner

According to macci its not that great, but the benchmarks I saw showed the P4E doing fine...
05-13-2004, 03:03 AM
MightyOne

In another thread macci said sth. about the P4EE being worth about 400-500 pts. more in 3d03 - I'm not sure whether that is because of higher clockspeeds, the larger cache or a mixture of both though ...
05-13-2004, 03:57 AM
***Deimos***

The problem is because english is so imprecise. When I say that 3DMark2003 is not system limited (unless you're running it on a P75), I mean that because its a GPU-benchmarks specificly written in such a way to stress the GPU. When I say that P4EE wont affect 3DMark03 scores, I mean that scores wont scale linearly. Here is a good explanation.

6800Ultra or x800xt you get ~12k stock with P4 3.2 or A64 2.2
However, with a 9800xt you will get only about half that. Clearly the CPU is capable of driving that many 3DMarks. However, it only influences performance slightly.. lets pretend its 10%, whereas the rest is GPU. So if I double CPU I get only about (90%)*12k + (10%*12k*2) = 13.2K...
05-13-2004, 05:20 AM
PCBliss

I'm sure you all know this already. I've done a little experiment to determine just how much CPU speed affects 3d03 scores. It turns out it does affect it, but not as much as many people think. I compared my score above to one with my CPU at a much lower speed. You can click on the links for exact details.
6,616
This test was with my 2500+ at 2706mhz (12x225) and the 9800 Pro at 448/356.

6,209
This test was with the CPU at stock 2500+ speeds. (11x166) and the 9800 Pro at the same 448/356 as above.

Now, a difference of 866mhz for CPU speed, and 59mhz for the FSB, made my 3d03 score increase by a mere 6.5%. The difference between a 2706mhz AMD running 225fsb is huge compared to a 1840mhz AMD running a 166FSB. I admit i wasnt even expecting there to be a 6.5% difference between the scores, but regardless the difference isnt much...

You can also see from the image below exactly where the faster CPU speed gained me more points. All of the tests are nearly identical except for game test 1, Wings of Fury. Here a 47% increase in CPU speed and a 36% increase in FSB speed raised the GT1 test score by 27.5%.

http://www.uploadit.org/PCBliss/3d03compare.jpg

And here is a comparison of my 2706mhz run with the card at 448/356, compared to a run with my CPU at stock 2500+ speeds (1840mhz) and the 9800 pro at stock speeds (378/337.5). You can also see by comparing this to the above picture that GT1 isnt affected much by the much lower 9800 Pro clock speeds. With the same CPU speed, going from 448/356 to 378/337.5 on the 9800 pro lowered GT1 scores by less than 3%

http://www.uploadit.org/PCBliss/3d03compare2.jpg

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