I disagree , logical is to compare threads vs threads. That is what you get at the end of the day. And price.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apokalipse
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I disagree , logical is to compare threads vs threads. That is what you get at the end of the day. And price.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apokalipse
But 1 core + HT is two threads... just like one BD module.Quote:
Originally Posted by -=DVS=-
They both are designed to add only a small increase in die area for significantly higher multithreaded performance
Intel core has I think 5% more die area from HT for about 20% more performance
While a BD module is 12% larger than a single (full) core, and AMD claims 80% more performance.
No. Im thinking newegg will have them thursdayQuote:
Originally Posted by duron
No point; with 2700k around the corner and price drop for the 2600k.
So we see a decline of MSRP of FX-8150P (from ~$300 to ~$270)Quote:
Originally Posted by matari
OKQuote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence
i'll keep refreshing the Egg then :D
If 2700K will be released ... you will not see a drop on the 2600K .. they will replace it...... Intel have launch 12 new CPU, who are for most the same cpu with a better clock for the same TDP.. look like they production is better and they can increase the clockspeed for the same TDP. We tend to forget this is not GPU, if Intel launch a series with a max TDP of 95W, they keep this TDP, if they can get 100mhz for the same TDP, so they release some new models ....Quote:
Originally Posted by matari
So far, it looks like a BD module will have no throughput advantage when running two threads versus a comparably clocked SB core with HT. However, with one thread,SB will have a significant advantage. So it seems to me that the wide core + SMT strategy is superior to the AMD's dual narrow integer core CMT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apokalipse
we will need bench for see that ..... but don't forget, Bulldozer FX is a step and this the first step.. for see how this strategy is really good or not, personally i will wait Piledriver for have a real idea of what this strategy can bring on the table.
Then it is needed to see how this work on a server based system for start speak on how good or bad it is.....
If you base your comment on the Handbrake " results" ... it is really not enough... It is an opensource project, i have absolutely no idea on what instructions are used, called in it. And the result look to vary so much from a run to another, i don't know why reviewers use it as a test... if they use it, it's only cause many use it for encode mobile movies, it can be used as an information, but as a bench breaker, i really doubt of it's value.
Still intrigued by this post. And I'm not too concerned about Sandy E, particularly if Bulldozer is priced to perform; or beats the current Core I5-I7 as that article seems to indicate.Quote:
Originally Posted by ga1ve1an
Based on what benchmarks exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by accord99
in your crystal ball?Quote:
Originally Posted by accord99
When the 2700K is released expect the 2600K to be discontinuedQuote:
Originally Posted by matari
A lack of evidence hasn't stopped AMD supporters from claiming CMT is superior to Hyperthreading.
Thats because they're trying to be positive in every aspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by accord99
Here's what i expect..
Benchmarks are released showing the 8150 beating up on the 2500K in multithreaded apps but losing in Gaming
Amd fans rejoice because they beat sandy bridge
Intel fans say you need 8 cores to beat 4
Amd fans say it doesn't matter we just want to beat intel
Mindless bickering ensues till SB-E arrives and then it starts all over again.
Intel fans say 3830K destroys Bulldozer in everything
Amd fans say you can't compare them because of the pricing
Intel fans say bow down and wash my car
To be Continued when IB gets released
You don't think it's possible to make an educated guess based on the details of the architecture?Quote:
Originally Posted by accord99
Also, AMD themselves claim 80% more multithreaded performance over a single thread.
And yes, we can't take that figure as gospel, but if it's even somewhat close to that it would be safe to say it's better than hyperthreading.
Blanket statement much?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence
I wouldn't claim to know if BD can win against SB single threaded, in either IPC or frequency. I'd only guess it would be somewhere in the ballpark.
Didn't the same thing happen with Thuban? So much hype then mediocre results?Quote:
Originally Posted by Apokalipse
What hype are you referring to?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence
Personally I didn't expect it to be anything more than Deneb with 2 more cores, with single threaded performance staying the same.
More like an educated guess. I believe BD will be good and if bloomfield was still top dog would surpass it but SB is a whole nother animal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apokalipse
Hard for me to comment when I haven't even seen a SB-e chip yet let alone worked with one.Quote:
Originally Posted by ga1ve1an
More like what's an educated guess? That AMD fans are trying to be positive in every aspect? Or do you mean something else?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence
I'm an AMD fan. Yet I'm trying to be realistic.
Yes, I'd say it's probably better than bloomfield. Against SB, that's still unknown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence
Just a thought and probably one that will get laughed at but how about for once
WE ALL TAKE A STEP BACK and look at these things for what they are.
We have two companies that compete for our and the rest of the worlds business.
They both bring out at times excellent products and once in a while real dogs.
There's a ton of rumors going around on the BD chips and I can honestly tell you
that many of them are SO wrong it's not even funny.
I was there in Austin and saw with my own eyes a lot of what these can do BUT
that is different from setting up your own machine and then KNOWING what it will do.
Same with Intel, they all want to show you their products in the best light possible and that they should be doing.
After all, this is business right guys?
I wish I could say more but when you give your word to someone to keep your big mouth closed till X date then you have to do so.
Bottom line is patience my friends, it won't be that long till we all have GOOD hard numbers in front of us and then we can decide with information instead of speculation.
/threadQuote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
according to my scientific research, to get the real benchmark numbers from manufacturers* you have to reduce 15%~ from their inflated results.
*this includes AMD, Intel & nvidia.
I have make 15 sites in the last 4 hours for find a semblant of leaked numbers ( French, UK, Australian, japan, and US sites ), and i can't still find them ......... so i will made like all, i will wait the reviews.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence
I agree with your words, it#s exactly how act the peoples. whatever is the side, Nvidia vs AMD; Intel vs AMD, MAC vs PC, Samsung vs Apple .... but right now, you can't apply it, as you as me, and many other here, just don't know anything on how BD will perform....
I need say, Nvidia and AMD thoses 2 last years, have surely make us write miles and miles of text, They just keep us in dark till the release ..... but we all speak aboujt them ..