So he shouldn't be worried at all then... this is the internet : stuff em :p
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So he shouldn't be worried at all then... this is the internet : stuff em :p
Yeah I'm not worried about the loss, if I overclock and I make my own choices. I'll just buy another CPU if something goes wrong. But to be called "incompetent" because my chip degraded slightly, and because I refuse to run prime for 12 hours at 1.45v at 5 ghz, is sort of pushing it...I mean that's flaming, isn't it? I just want to be responsible for my own decisions, instead of trying to do something for someone else and suffer for it. My mistake was trying to run prime on my low VID low volt 2600k at 5 ghz and 1.404v load vcore to get into a stability club (not on here). And doing that caused a nice little degradation, which never happened (For 2 months) before I did that. (I was previously fully stable at 4.5 ghz 1.236v load; might have been considered a golden chip, if it had a X57 multi instead of a X54 max multi; X49 with PLL overvoltage disabled) After all, I'm a gamer...I'd rather let my games judge whether the CPU is stable or not. And since it's my money being spent, I have the right to do that. Who cares if it can't pass an hour of LinX? It's my hardware. It's stable enough for what *I* use it for. I could care less if someone on the internet thinks its not fully stable, unless he is willing to foot over the cash to buy hardware for me.
So, yeah... that's the primary reason I use a computer--to game. I overclock to get more performance out of my games. Benching is just a side thing since I get bored quickly and often can't focus on doing one thing.
I know about the 1.52v VID limit, and I remember full well the "1.38v is the max safe 24/7 voltage" statement from last January. It just took me some time to understand *why* that statement even was made, and after looking closely at the charts, and recalling the old flame wars over that Anandtech article (That article was technically "right", but it was right for the WRONG reasons!), I realized that all these specifications were created with vdroop as part of them, and that that voltage was derived from a simple 1.52v set in BIOS, LLC set to Intel specifications, max load= 1.38v (anyone with a board that doesn't have broken specifications (the MSI boards seem to raise the vcore at load, regardless of the vdroop settings in the bios=this violates the VRM 12 specification), can do a test and every board at max possible load, should drop the vcore to around 1.38-1.40v. So I arrived at that with simple logic. The instant you go above 1.40v at full load, and you have LLC turned on, all gloves are off, and you're out in the jungle, on your own. (and being in the jungle is quite fun, when you're prepared).
And in regards to specifications: If 1.52v VID, without LLC (according to specs) is 1.476v idle, 1.416v medium load, and 1.392v maximum load, and I needed 1.392v to be stable, I personally would much rather have LLC and 1.380v idle and 1.392v load, instead of having no LLC and 1.476v idle! Besides dealing with possible idle BSOD, I would think the lower idle voltage would be healthier for the CPU than the higher idle voltage, as long as the load voltage remains the same or rather close.
And BTW, I never once said that you cant go over, and I wasn't saying "don't go over or your chip WILL degrade." Only that going over exceeds the design specifications, and that puts you at higher risk of having issues (like persistent degradation of a "settling" that takes much longer to bottom out. Never said it WILL happen, just it might, and it might happen faster.
That being said, I'm now at 5 ghz, 1.5v (vcore) *full load* 24/7 now, but I'm using offsets so the chip downclocks at idle and downvolts. Been here for a week with zero problems. I won't prime at this speed. It's my cpu, so I can do whatever I want with it. I'll game. And I'll game until it BSOD's. If it doesn't, I'm happy. If it does, I'll raise the offset. If the CPU dies, I still have my lower VID 2600k sitting in the drawer, that will be waiting to run 5 ghz at 1.440v.
Sigh.....wrote a wall of text.....I'm going to go play a game.....been writing too much stuff today....
I think I rocked my chip last night,I was pushing a 1.55 volt 5.2 overclock and was running linx and it crashed about 3 min into it.It came up with the blue sceen and memory dump% and it was going up 10,20,30 % and I walked away thinking it would reboot and just load windows up.
Temps were around 93c when it went bsod
Well 2 hours later it was stuck 80% and I could smell the stress the borad went threw.Im up and running now but my idle temps are about 4-5c higher.I put the board threw hell as I could litterally smell the stress the components went threw.
Edit im at 4.6
Not a good idea to stress test at those extremes. Just game/bench/use the PC normally.
One tip, never ever leave a chrashed rig running... better switch it off...
Okay guys Im on a brand new 2600k and this sucker loves low volts 4.6@1.240 stable so far.I dont think its degration we are seeing its just once the chips see higher voltage they want more juice all the time.
Im not giving this chip more than 1.4 volts(trying not too anyway)but so far its cool and stable at very low volts.
I'm not worried about degradation. 80% Of the time my system is running @ 1.6Ghz 1.088v, and only 20% at 4.7Ghz 1.44v duo to good power management and Speedstep.
4.7 is fine,my chip after 5.2ghz and seeing 1.55 volts now wants alot more volts to hit 4.7.Quote:
Originally Posted by ownage
Im at 1.325 now at 4.7,I hope I can hit 5hz under 1.4 volts
Yeah but with Speedstep enabled degradation shouldn't occur that fast. My previous system was a q6600 @ 1.68v that ran for 2 years at those volts without speedstep. No degradation at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skratch
Its not degration,its the cpu breaking in and getting used to higher voltage.Quote:
Originally Posted by ownage
I to had speed step running but the board would over shoot the voltage and spike to high 1.4s or even hit 1.5 sometimes even at a 4.7ghz clock.
I have speed step on now but the voltage is set to 1.335 constant so no spikes etc.
It is degradation if this didnt happen at lower voltages.
If you were stable at 1.240v and now you need a lot more volts due to running 5.2 at 1.55, then it's degradation. You can call it breaking in if you want, but it doesn't change reality.
If you kept it at 4.6 ghz and 1.240v and that slowly required a small vcore bump and settled in (lets say, 1.24 to 1.260v), then you can call it breaking in...
Damn those chips that run at 1.240v at 4.6Ghz.. 1.240 is my stock 3.4Ghz voltage!
my old chip can do 5ghz @ 1.38vcore months ago and can easily do 53 multi @ 1.464 ...but due to serveral stress testing, benchmarking with diff board it can now do 51 multi max @ 1.49Vcore and will not go beyond that..the rest will be bclock adjustment if you want to push farther ... i am just waiting for the chip to die so that i can rma it and hoping to get a costa rica chip as replacement heheh :D
Im keeping this one at 4.8@1.365 once they see over 1.4volt they start to want more and more.Quote:
Originally Posted by bartman1973
I like how some AMD boys say these dont clock well :rofl: this chip did 4.6 at stock voltage!!!
ive been gaming for 13 years on a pc..i never run stress tests, if my pc is stable in windows and stable in every enviroment i use my pc for they why would i even consider stressing my hardware? so that being said,if u decide to run prime,intel burn test,memtest 86 or any other program that causes ur hardware to be put to the limit then u get whats coming to u. my q6600 lasted me 4 years at 3.5 ghz from 2.4..i never ran a stress test..never burned in my cpu...never ran any memtest to make sure my ram was stable,the only thing u need is programs that monitor heat/voltage, my cpu has been overclocked to 5ghz and all i did was mod the bios of voltages and settings and ran a benchmark test..all the while i ran core temp,precision pro and asrock extreme utility. my system was stable then,was stable during gameplay as well as windows....i then loaded my defaults and set my cpu to 4.6 turbo mode without any mods in the bios..my cpu will last me till im ready to upgrade in another 4 years but if u want to run all these test and ruin hardware then thats ur choice...dont put someone down because they choose to do so...afterall we are all adults here.
The problem is sandys keep clocking with voltage and greed takes over.Im forcing mysleft to keep this one under 1.4 volts but Iv already been in windows at 5.3ghz on air. and I know this chip will do 5.5 with 1.6 volts but for how long? a month or twoQuote:
Originally Posted by pythonse
So is 1.4v considered the cut off? I'm sitting at 1.4v right now. I won't go higher. I've also seen people say 1.38v. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Skratch
With some stress test, you have to decide which one you want to stress test....cpu, cooler or both:D
Heres cpu with ss that went above 0C with only 1.39Vcore @ 5Ghz.
This particular SS able to hold a 2600K with higher cpu Mhz for all 3D and 2D benchs though..
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/988...nshot038bb.jpg
Stress test >5Ghz really put a strain on both cpu and cooler
Pretty nice chip at 1.390v netting you 5Ghz, is that because of the really low temps or that chip can still do 1.390v 5Ghz with aircooling ?
With AVX that gonna go with something like 20c max?
Its hard to say since we have all gone way over 1.5 volts and have see(well me at least)95c in core temps running linx ect.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Synthetickiller
IM going to keep mine at 1.375 for like 2 weeks then go to 1.395 and try to get 4.9ghz and slowly keep adding voltage to see if my overclock lasts.
On a side note all my chips hit the same overclock in mhz still but need more voltage to get stable,I dont know if thats just how they settled in or if its from higher voltage so Im going to slowly add voltage with clocks on this new chip.
Its weird vecasue its already needing a little more voltage to get 4.6-4.8 stable and this chip has not seen over 1.4 volts yet.
Dumo I think you are fine since you are at such a low temp.Im hitting like 75c in 3 passes linx at 4.7ghz
For me, from datasheet, we have 1.52v, ok now if we subtract vdroop value (like 0.08v I see) the result is 1.44v safety, for me
But i know that there is this 1.38v, now i think that 1.40v for daily is not dangerous but I'm not Intel therefore...
vdroop increases based on load and vcore. I get 1.39v if I do that with prime small FFT, down from 1.52v.Quote:
Originally Posted by devil_mcry
uhm my mistake
i remember 0.8 but now i see that it's 0.12v... you are right
however I think that there aren't problems with 1.4v...
edit
i just read it
from FalkentyneQuote:
1.52v VID, without LLC (according to specs) is 1.476v idle, 1.416v medium load, and 1.392v maximum load
I dont agree with this theory, but i'd like some words from Intel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demo
Sell it to me and try another cpu ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Skratch