AMD to start Bulldozer AM3+ production by March 2011, launch in April 2011

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01-01-2011, 09:16 PM
Sn0wm@n

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Originally Posted by freeloader

And your reading comprehension made the jump to your logic from what? :banana::banana::banana::banana: off.

please tell me how bad my reading comprehension is ...

because all i read was bla bla bla bla i know better then some big corporation .... ;)

ohh and btw *censored word* you too ;)
01-01-2011, 11:50 PM
Blaber

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Originally Posted by freeloader

Great. You get to piss off customers twice. The ones who will wait will be pissed if they find out that BD sucks and the ones who don't wait and buy SB will be pissed off if they find out that BD is great.

AMDs' policy is totally :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed up. Release a few numbers or loose customers.

Let me get this straight.....I'm average Joe who wants to purchase a computer one week from now. I have a look at Intel and discover this fantastic chip called Sandy Bridge, great performance for the value. I say to myself, "I wonder what AMD has to compete?" Looks around, nothing to compete agains SB. I think I'll buy SB. So how are you losing sales when the person has no intention of buying AMD chips anyhow? Don't you ever think to yourself that by releasing a few benches, you can stem the tide of people (even a half of 1%) from purchasing an Intel setup? Think outside the box man.

And I thought Hector ran the company badly!

Lol Buy SandyB for your self and relieve your self of pain and spare us too :)
01-01-2011, 11:52 PM
stangracin3

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Originally Posted by Blaber

Lol Buy SandyB for your self and relieve your self of pain and spare us too :)

very wise words

he is already a thorn in our side
01-02-2011, 12:44 AM
FlanK3r

some little kid Freeolader dont stop flaming :-/. Just simply, AMD is not INtel and have different strategy - so, buy SB or waiting at Zambezi. Maybe some benchmarks will be leaked befire launch, but I am thinking, earlier in March or so...
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rWv20AgRpf...freeloader.jpg
01-02-2011, 01:49 AM
MAS

A poll has been added
01-02-2011, 04:07 AM
sutyi

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Originally Posted by MAS

A poll has been added

Well I would like preview articles for sure. :)
01-02-2011, 04:11 AM
SubZero.it

If they hide performance maybe we are gonna see some nice performance then...also the comeback of the FX series make me excited about next generation processor.
01-02-2011, 04:18 AM
Shadov

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Originally Posted by sutyi

Well I would like preview articles for sure. :)

No sane company would do a preview so long before launch.

All it does is stall sales (since new & better is coming) and also it gives heads up to the competition on what they have to expect and how to structure prices.

So that way no, not going to happen until AMD and Intel have 50/50% market share, so previews will be similarly risky for each one of them. :shrug:
01-02-2011, 04:44 AM
gallag

I remember amd giving performance previews before the phenom launch, turned out to be lies anyway so no biggy. If I remember it was not a full review or benches but they did a few slides with numbers. Why not do that now? They could time it with sb launch, just a few slides, come on:).
01-02-2011, 05:14 AM
zalbard

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Originally Posted by Shadov

No sane company would do a preview so long before launch.

All it does is stall sales (since new & better is coming) and also it gives heads up to the competition on what they have to expect and how to structure prices.

So that way no, not going to happen until AMD and Intel have 50/50% market share, so previews will be similarly risky for each one of them. :shrug:

I agree. And look at Cayman - it worked pretty well there. :up:
01-02-2011, 05:22 AM
Calmatory

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Originally Posted by gallag

I remember amd giving performance previews before the phenom launch, turned out to be lies anyway so no biggy.

Spec* numbers are not lies. They're quite accurate for the workloads they benchmark.
01-02-2011, 10:32 AM
MAS

it looks like AMD employees vote for the first answer of the poll :)
01-02-2011, 10:38 AM
zalbard

I voted the first one as well, it makes sense from a business perspective.
01-02-2011, 10:45 AM
flippin_waffles

I think AMD will release numbers when the time is right (either officially, or through controlled leaks).
01-02-2011, 10:46 AM
DarthShader

Well, AMD have done preliminary tests for Zacate - letting even the press test some stuff. So much for the "no bechmerks before launch" policy. :p:

Otoh, you can't canibalize a non existent market and it was only two months till launch, so I guess it was a good move in that situation.
01-02-2011, 11:05 AM
informal

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Originally Posted by DarthShader

Well, AMD have done preliminary tests for Zacate - letting even the press test some stuff. So much for the "no bechmerks before launch" policy. :p:

Otoh, you can't canibalize a non existent market and it was only two months till launch, so I guess it was a good move in that situation.

AMD started shipping Brazos on the day November analyst day was held(9th of Nov). Zacate numbers embargo was lifted on the 16th of Nov,a week after they officially announced they started to ship Brazos to their partners(an unofficial launch if you will). More facts next time :),but nice try :p: .
01-02-2011, 11:37 AM
DarthShader

Does that mean I can buy Brazos stuff in stores already?? Wow, I must have been living under a rock for 1.5 months.... :)

Following that logic, can we expect performance numbers in February or whenever Bulldozer starts to ship or has it's "unofficial launch"?

If yes, then it's fine with me. :)
01-02-2011, 12:42 PM
Lightman

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Originally Posted by DarthShader

Does that mean I can buy Brazos stuff in stores already?? Wow, I must have been living under a rock for 1.5 months.... :)

Following that logic, can we expect performance numbers in February or whenever Bulldozer starts to ship or has it's "unofficial launch"?

If yes, then it's fine with me. :)

The difference is, AMD has no competing parts for that market segment from own camp, contrary to Zambezi which will compete with Intel solutions as well as AMD's own lower grade solutions for desktop market.
That's why AMD let Brazos platform to be reviewed ahead of market availability.
01-02-2011, 01:32 PM
Hornet331

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Originally Posted by Lightman

The difference is, AMD has no competing parts for that market segment from own camp, contrary to Zambezi which will compete with Intel solutions as well as AMD's own lower grade solutions for desktop market.
That's why AMD let Brazos platform to be reviewed ahead of market availability.

Well somewhat, Brazos is going to replace the Nile/Danube Platform, so there is internal competiton.
01-02-2011, 01:32 PM
generics_user

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Originally Posted by DarthShader

Does that mean I can buy Brazos stuff in stores already?? Wow, I must have been living under a rock for 1.5 months.... :)

Following that logic, can we expect performance numbers in February or whenever Bulldozer starts to ship or has it's "unofficial launch"?

If yes, then it's fine with me. :)

brazos is OEM only, they don't ship the chips directly to end-users and they can't disturb their own sales with it because they aren't present in that market ;)
01-02-2011, 03:24 PM
informal

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Originally Posted by DarthShader

Does that mean I can buy Brazos stuff in stores already?? Wow, I must have been living under a rock for 1.5 months.... :)

Following that logic, can we expect performance numbers in February or whenever Bulldozer starts to ship or has it's "unofficial launch"?

If yes, then it's fine with me. :)

Since generic_user already responded I won't bother much. But you shouldn't expect the same strategy before Zambezi's launch since the market segments are different.
01-02-2011, 04:47 PM
JF-AMD

Can't speak for zacate, we don't share silicon on that one so it's not my call. As I understand, they did demos, I don't think they submitted benchmark results, but I don't really know what client benchmarks are these days so I really can't say.
01-02-2011, 05:22 PM
StAndrew

Performance numbers too long before launch can would possibly have the following affects:

Numbers are great:
-Hurt Intel but not handicap
-Decimate current AMD sales

Numbers are good:
-May or may not hurt Intel
-Destroy current AMD sales

Numbers are bad:
-Sky rocket Intel's sales
-May or may not affect current AMD sales

Its pretty much a lose lose for AMD at this point IMO. ~5 months is too soon.
01-02-2011, 05:29 PM
Ket

I don't agree with no preliminary reviews, makes you think something stinks about the new architecture. Moreover though I want AM3+ mobos available some time before BD so I can get my system prepared to just simply drop in a new CPU as and when.
01-02-2011, 06:28 PM
Chaserjzx100

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Originally Posted by Ket

Moreover though I want AM3+ mobos available some time before BD so I can get my system prepared to just simply drop in a new CPU as and when.

+1

and please amd don't gimp it like you did with am3 wherein it wouldn't support any am3+ proc as opposed to what you have stated earlier :shakes:

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