NVIDIA to Counter Radeon HD 6970 ''Cayman'' with GeForce GTX 580

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10-16-2010, 05:40 AM
Carfax

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Originally Posted by kgk

As long as Cayman has good minimum frame rates, that's all I care about. Haven't bothered with 5000/GF100 cards (waiting for next gen) but from what I recall isn't Fermi much better than the 5000 series at minimum frame rates at identical resolutions/settings?

I would much, much rather have a card that runs something at 1920x1200, max details @ 50FPS average with 35FPS minimums than something that does it @ 80FPS average with 20FPS minimums.

Yep, Fermi is noticeably better than the 5000 series when it comes to minimum framerates; especially in multigpu.
10-16-2010, 06:03 AM
Zloyd

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Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

Yeah this seams to be the start of it. But then ATi did nothing to counter GF104 either. Not only didn't release a refresh, but also no price-drop to compete directly. It was surprising, ATi did nothing, nada.

Well 6870 at 250$ is a 460 counter imo, they did make noise about it as the 460 was coming out so ...

I think previously both companies used to come out with stuff around the same time so it seemed like it was a counter but really one is always trying to keep the competitors newer products in check with new ones themselves, marketing strat I guess ( dont take too long to risk making something super and lose market share in the meantime and if it doesnt come out right ..... fermi ? :p:)

Right now nvidia are trying to make something that will be a performance leap so they can sell their big chips and make decent money forcing amd to undercut them.

Amd are probably focussing on keeping their good start and looks like they have a big bad beast chip of their own incoming as well so really right now its looking good for amd on many fronts they just have to stay on the ball.

nvidia have to get close and stay competetive and see this out and be on time and faster than amd on the next node.

This is just what I think is going on , ofcourse with the entire market situation last year this year we havent seen the 2 getting into a price war. But I dont think there was some agreement to that effect just common sense amd was happy with how they were doing they didnt want to push their luck.

Thats why the whole 6870 thing , its not a spiritual succesor to the 5870 which was a good jump on the 4870 and good enough to make a x2 card out of , 6870 is being named aggresively to steal 460 sales.

Its going to have the performance to do so , its going to be named such , and its a small chip amd can price it aggressively.

Anyhow in a week it should be on the egg and we will see how this chapter unfolds , lets see if it takes the market by storm.
10-16-2010, 07:18 AM
Sam_oslo

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Originally Posted by Zloyd

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This is just what I think is going on , ofcourse with the entire market situation last year this year we havent seen the 2 getting into a price war. But I dont think there was some agreement to that effect just common sense amd was happy with how they were doing they didnt want to push their luck.
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That's exactly my point, they didn't get into a direct competition, and we didn't see any price war either.

I'm didn't say, and don't think they have made an agreement, at least not a direct one, but both has been reluctant to counter new GPUs in the right time in the whole of last year.

The result was very high GPU-pries (in both camp) last year. I guess they both like it, and therefore I'm wondering if they are going to continue this " peace" with 6 months delays to counter each other. It will be interesting to see how they counter each other in this round.
10-16-2010, 07:59 AM
paulhamm

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

They were in cahoots and were found guilty of price fixing a couple years ago.

The first part it is unproven. The bold part, no they were not.
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...i-price-fixing
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Nvi...rust,6421.html

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Originally Posted by SimBy

It's true. Too lazy to google for article.

No it is not, see above.

The suit was settled for 1.7 Million. Much less than dragging it through the courts would have cost. Quote from Toms HW "A settlement does not admit guilt, as a quick settlement could be beneficial even for an innocent party."
10-16-2010, 08:05 AM
Eastcoasthandle

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Originally Posted by Jowy Atreides

Dejá vú?

I seem to remember this happening when the 5870 was released. Big promises and more of them and more of them etc.
Next thing you know, It's a different decade and 5 months into it when the card arrives.

The only difference was that back then they were trying to release the 400 series (a lot later than what was said). As for the 500 series (as some already posted) they doubt it will be release any time soon. Or believe it would be nothing more than a refresh of the current arch.
10-16-2010, 08:14 AM
Sam_oslo

I want to see "something" from nVidia soon after the release of HD68xx.

Rather a new series an GPUs, but a refresh or a big price-cut would do too. Then we know they are trying to fight back, with what they can. Otherwise, I guess we can expect that AMD will do the same for nVidia to keep the "peace" when they finally do something in 6 months or so.
10-16-2010, 08:18 AM
tdream

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Originally Posted by Pantsu

Calling a 512sp Fermi a GTX 580 would be in line with the AMD renaming. :up:

Seriously, this rumor has been thrown around since the release of GTX 480. I still don't see anything concrete though, just guesswork. I suppose they will do a kicker at some point, but I doubt it's just going to be a 512sp fermi gf100b. That should have come out a long time ago, and in any case it would only be like 5% faster.

I think so. Naming used to give some indication of performance but that went out the window thanks to nvidia and I'm sad to see ATI/AMD following suit. You need to look at the actual specs to see what you're really buying.
10-16-2010, 08:40 AM
iMacmatician

Roadmap from 4Gamer.net: http://www.4gamer.net/games/099/G009...013/SS/001.png

They say GF110 products might have 576 CC and there's the possibility of a dual GF112. What's up with the 320-bit memory interface for GF112, anyway?

http://translate.googleusercontent.c...lEaUtiG803lpYQ
10-16-2010, 10:51 AM
spursindonesia

nVidia has to bend the law of physic & time-space continuum if they plan on building a single chip with 4 GPCs 768 SPs 128 TMUs 64 ROPs 512 bit based on GF 104 design, using the same TSMC 40 nm process node. Reduce it to 3/4 of it, and we have a bussiness, but i think it would arrive at late Q1 2011 at the earliest. They should prove it first that they can build & sell in a good quantity, full fledged GF 100 and GF 104, before talking so much nonsense about slideware products.
10-16-2010, 11:11 AM
Pantsu

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Originally Posted by iMacmatician

Roadmap from 4Gamer.net: http://www.4gamer.net/games/099/G009...013/SS/001.png

This guy also did a similar roadmap for Ati, and look how it turned out:
http://www.4gamer.net/games/110/G011...093/TN/002.jpg
10-16-2010, 11:24 AM
Eastcoasthandle

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Originally Posted by Pantsu

This guy also did a similar roadmap for Ati, and look how it turned out:
http://www.4gamer.net/games/110/G011...093/TN/002.jpg

The best sign when you know they are going to be late is when you start reading a lot of cuda/physx again. No different when they were late with the 400 series. Oh yeah, they suppose to be releasing a complete re-write of physx in 2011 (1st half) were they suppose to improve CPU functionality. We'll, see how well that goes.
10-16-2010, 11:27 AM
Nintendork

This thread can be closed. Not news, not even rumors, just pure fantasy. Other forums replicate the "rumor". Please , this is not april fools.

Via is preparing a gpu to obliterate HD6990. You read it here first.
10-16-2010, 12:42 PM
Bobsama

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Originally Posted by Nintendork

Via is preparing a gpu to obliterate HD6990. You read it here first.

Launch date: February 29, 2017.
10-16-2010, 12:48 PM
Pantsu

http://vga.zol.com.cn/199/1997670.html

First "review", though only vantage scores given.
10-16-2010, 01:08 PM
Solus Corvus

I welcome any attempt by Nvidia to bring us faster cards. But I'm kind of amused at the concept that the problem with Fermi is that it isn't big enough.
10-16-2010, 05:34 PM
kgk

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Originally Posted by Pantsu

http://vga.zol.com.cn/199/1997670.html

First "review", though only vantage scores given.

对不起，该文章已经被删除

Sorry, article has been deleted
10-16-2010, 06:17 PM
Glow9

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Originally Posted by safan80

I hope this is true I want to see cards with 512 cuda cores and for nvidia to give a damn about performance. The GT430 is such a joke. Nvidia this year has let everyone down. I was expecting a card faster than the 5970 from nvidia, boy was I wrong.

Most users buy cards $150-250 range. Nvidia has done very well with the GTX 460 so I really don't think they've failed considering the bang for the buck. Most 460 owners seem pretty happy.
10-16-2010, 08:18 PM
-=DVS=-

Not impressive IMHO

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/4516/captureqz.jpg
10-16-2010, 08:36 PM
tajoh111

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Originally Posted by -=DVS=-

Not impressive IMHO

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/4516/captureqz.jpg

Its less impressive that he likely pulled the numbers from somewhere for the older cards and the scores for the 5870 and 5850 are substantially higher.

Newish scores(they are even higher now).

http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-m...inum-review/19

1000-3000 points higher.

on 3dmark06, the 5870 should score much higher than that.
10-16-2010, 09:12 PM
Dalten

I thought only Nvidia was capable of this naming stupidity, but now i see AMD is too.

They think we need bigger numbers to keep buying. Not just a bigger series number, but further along in the series.

I can just imagine the marketing-critters in the Nvidia marketing department when they were discussing going from 9xxx series to a 3 digit number... i bet they were losing sleep over that, fearing people wouldn't buy as many because of the lower number.

Lying to your customers indirectly by making a 6870 inferior or about the same compared to a 5870 just pisses me off, but oh well.
10-16-2010, 10:41 PM
spursindonesia

Can we concentrate discussion regarding AMD's incoming new gen cards in the appropiate threads ? There are several already and this one isn't included.
10-16-2010, 10:54 PM
kuroikenshi

somebody please close this stupid thread
10-16-2010, 11:59 PM
Heinz68

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Originally Posted by spursindonesia

Can we concentrate discussion regarding AMD's incoming new gen cards in the appropiate threads ? There are several already and this one isn't included.

Right on.
10-17-2010, 12:22 AM
Zloyd

Oh i see, now everyone begins to agree that AMD is doing something really stupid and the fanbabies want the thread closed rather than we bash them for being :banana::banana::banana::banana:s. Heh really funny if 6870 is barely faster than 5850 which means with the crapalyst factor and failfire and ofcourse now they come with amd on them so that just screams MOAR FAIL 460 1gb is still gonna be the card to get.

:D
10-17-2010, 12:26 AM
snoro

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Originally Posted by -=DVS=-

Not impressive IMHO

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/4516/captureqz.jpg

hd 6870 is the gtx 460 amd counter-part not the gtx 480 counter part. thats the hd 6970 and there is still no word on that yet.

Release date of the gtx 580: 21/12/2012 ( wait you really thought the world destroy by itself this date , nah man ,the gtx 580 will destroy it)

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