Intel to show off Sandy Bridge at IDF next week, AMD counters with Zacate demo nearby

no live streaming?

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Originally Posted by nn_step

hmm interesting, using Gnash as my flash Interpreter; it seems to play smoothly and without any problems on my 500Mhz K6-2.

I'd need more details about your setup to find the point of the slowdown.

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I tried Gnash, and it seemed that for example speedtest.net isn't working. Same with youtube videos, just a blank black screen with no controls. Gnash 0.8.8 with Firefox 3.6.8 and 32-bit up to date ArchLinux. I tried restarting Firefox after the installation with no success.

But yeah, I guess this is somewhat offtopic. ;

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Originally Posted by Mech0z

I must say I am not that impressed how it beat the old i5, its only 20-30% and SB should be much faster (More power consumsuing though) but given the gfx capabilities of AMD/ATI I really hope this is one of the smallest versions, unless this test dont scale very well with gfx powers (but then why would amd choose it?)

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It isn't supposed to beat SB. It's targeted at the same segment as Atom.

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Originally Posted by -Boris-

It isn't supposed to beat SB. It's targeted at the same segment as Atom.

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With 18W TDP? Actually this is the area of ULV Clarckdales & upcoming ULV SB. I wonder why ppl think bobcat can run fanfree having 9-18W TDP.

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Originally Posted by kl0012

With 18W TDP? Actually this is the area of ULV Clarckdales & upcoming ULV SB. I wonder why ppl think bobcat can run fanfree having 9-18W TDP.

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I think AMD will compete with price in SB ULV market and compete with performance in Atom market.

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Originally Posted by qcmadness

I think AMD will compete with price in SB ULV market and compete with performance in Atom market.

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But I got impression that AMD wont complete with performance in SB ULV market and yet to be seen how AMD will complete with Atom in netbook market (with such TDP).

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Originally Posted by kl0012

But I got impression that AMD wont complete with performance in SB ULV market and yet to be seen how AMD will complete with Atom in netbook market (with such TDP).

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AMD current gen mobile platform:
x2 L625 (18W), 780G + SB710 (11.5W+4.5W)

AMD next gen mobile platform:
Ontario (9W), Hudson M1 / D1 (~6W)
Zacate (18W), Hudson M1 / D1 (~6W)

Intel Atom mobile platform:
Atom D51x - Pineview (13W), NM10 (2W)

Intel Core ULV platform:
i3-330UM - Clarsdale (18W), Ibex Peak (3.5W)

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Originally Posted by kl0012

But I got impression that AMD wont complete with performance in SB ULV market and yet to be seen how AMD will complete with Atom in netbook market (with such TDP).

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It's pretty simple really. 9W for netbook, 18W for notebook.
It's quite extraordanary that they can get that kind of performance out of such a puny package. lol

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9717/hand2n.jpg

Atom is really losing the edge it really had. This is Intel's weakest space because they have really stopped innovating in it.

The TDP(which relates to power but not is actual power consumption) of these atoms is really getting up there and the SU9600 is really what type of performance and wattage envelope they should be at this point. 1.6ghz dual core that consumes 10watts. On 32nm, it would be smaller than Ontario, likely perform just as good if not better.

"Llano will arrive at the end of Q2 2011"

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3920/a...e-than-core-i5

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

Atom is really losing the edge it really had. This is Intel's weakest space because they have really stopped innovating in it.

The TDP(which relates to power but not is actual power consumption) of these atoms is really getting up there and the SU9600 is really what type of performance and wattage envelope they should be at this point. 1.6ghz dual core that consumes 10watts. On 32nm, it would be smaller than Ontario, likely perform just as good if not better.

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I am using Lenovo x301 with SU9400 as CPU.

The CPU is slow compared with mainstream CPUs.

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Originally Posted by qcmadness

I am using Lenovo x301 with SU9400 as CPU.

The CPU is slow compared with mainstream CPUs.

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Of course it is, but it is way faster than atom those.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2932/i...-needs-atom-/6

Twice as fast in most cases.

Ontario isn't going to be crazy fast either.

I don't have much faith in AMD mobile performance.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3883/t...enom-ii-p920/9

This is one of the most recent reviews of one of their most powerful mobile parts, the quad Phenom II 920.

The performance was super lackluster to say the least.

"What you're looking at then is a quad-core AMD P920 being approximately the equal of Arrandale i3-330M at best; at worst, even Arrandale ULV outperforms the P920 in single-threaded workloads."

I can understand why atom has to be slow. Intel doesn't want to cannibalize their sales anymore than they have already done with the atom.

Luckily AMD doesn't have to worry about such because they don't have that much sales to begin with.

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Originally Posted by qcmadness

AMD current gen mobile platform:
x2 L625 (18W), 780G + SB710 (11.5W+4.5W)

AMD next gen mobile platform:
Ontario (9W), Hudson M1 / D1 (~6W)
Zacate (18W), Hudson M1 / D1 (~6W)

Intel Atom mobile platform:
Atom D51x - Pineview (13W), NM10 (2W)

Intel Core ULV platform:
i3-330UM - Clarsdale (18W), Ibex Peak (3.5W)

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Bolded is nettop platform. N550 has 8.5W TDP. Also Ontario 9W will have lower freq (for cpu and possible for gpu) so lets wait and see how it compares to Atom.

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Originally Posted by kl0012

Bolded is nettop platform. N550 has 8.5W TDP. Also Ontario 9W will have lower freq (for cpu and possible for gpu) so lets wait and see how it compares to Atom.

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Did you not read.? Out of order execution bro.. with amd GPU. Atom is pointless now.

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

Of course it is, but it is way faster than atom those.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2932/i...-needs-atom-/6

Twice as fast in most cases.

Ontario isn't going to be crazy fast either.

I don't have much faith in AMD mobile performance.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3883/t...enom-ii-p920/9

This is one of the most recent reviews of one of their most powerful mobile parts, the quad Phenom II 920.

The performance was super lackluster to say the least.

"What you're looking at then is a quad-core AMD P920 being approximately the equal of Arrandale i3-330M at best; at worst, even Arrandale ULV outperforms the P920 in single-threaded workloads."

I can understand why atom has to be slow. Intel doesn't want to cannibalize their sales anymore than they have already done with the atom.

Luckily AMD doesn't have to worry about such because they don't have that much sales to begin with.

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Phenom always had the lack of IPC against intel, this is clearly shown in the mobile parts exactly the reason for AMD to bring a new platform.

Oh and regarding performance, if you want to base yourself on some synthetic performance, sure an i3 will do fine, but actually working multithreaded on a laptop I am sure you will ditch that i3 very fast,it also totally knocks down ANY i3 when running games...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3883/t...enom-ii-p920/5

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Originally Posted by duploxxx

Oh and regarding performance, if you want to base yourself on some synthetic performance, sure an i3 will do fine, but actually working multithreaded on a laptop I am sure you will ditch that i3 very fast,

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But it's matched by i3s in multi-core Cinebench and x264 encoding, applications that scale well to 4 or more threads.

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it also totally knocks down ANY i3 when running games...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3883/t...enom-ii-p920/5

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That's only because low-end i3s are paired with low-end video cards.

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Originally Posted by accord99

But it's matched by i3s in multi-core Cinebench and x264 encoding, applications that scale well to 4 or more threads.


That's only because low-end i3s are paired with low-end video cards.

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And what you think that integrated gpu is?

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Originally Posted by Mechanical Man

And what you think that integrated gpu is?

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I don't recall the HD 5650 being an integrated GPU.

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Originally Posted by accord99

I don't recall the HD 5650 being an integrated GPU.

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Integrated in upcoming intel low-end laptop cpus..

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Originally Posted by accord99

I don't recall the HD 5650 being an integrated GPU.

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U seem a tad lost..

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Originally Posted by Xoulz

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Did you not read.? Out of order execution bro.. with amd GPU. Atom is pointless now.

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So what if it has OoO? What is this - a new AMD mantra or what? There are many other factors have influence on performance (freq, mem/cache speed, number of threads e.t.c).

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Originally Posted by Mechanical Man

Integrated in upcoming intel low-end laptop cpus..

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i3s go in cheaper laptops or smaller laptops that aren't usually suitable for better discrete video cards. On the other hand the i5-430m with the HD 5650 does give a glimpse of what the i3 could do, if somebody paired it with a better video card.

nice move from amd, hah :D
18W sounds perfect... thats CULV tdp...

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Originally Posted by accord99

But it's matched by i3s in multi-core Cinebench and x264 encoding, applications that scale well to 4 or more threads.


That's only because low-end i3s are paired with low-end video cards.

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cinebench and x264 are known to work very well with HT

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Originally Posted by duploxxx

cinebench and x264 are known to work very well with HT

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And thats bad? :rolleyes: