BloodRAGE PCI-E and Bclk Mod

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07-13-2009, 02:09 PM
BenchZowner

That's a positive.
Think I saw some of them on my main PC yesterday a bit before I was rushed to the hospital :(

HTC Touch HD + free hospital wifi here.
07-13-2009, 02:30 PM
The-Fox

Quote:

Originally Posted by r1ch

Patch will disagree with you over the chipset cooling Bill - he's running 4x gfx though ;)

Btw, did you find those screenshots? :)

That is probably because of the huge load the 4 GFXs are making on the NB.

BTW,
Who the hell designed the PCI-E X16 slots on the Bloodrage ?
it's the worst design by far.
2 X16 slots then a PCI and another 2 X16 slots, so stupid :down:

Now how am I suppose to connect 3 GFX cards with dual slot cooling ?:shakes:
Luckily they invented Risers and extender :clap:
07-13-2009, 07:25 PM
Patch

I really should have picked some other project for my very first soldering attempt. THAT THING WAS SMALL. :eek:

Hope it works:

Equipment
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/2855/equipment.jpg

Had to clean off the black nail polish in the mod area.

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/554/premod.jpg

Here is the resistor off. See the tiny little guy loose off to the side? I actually lost it for 20 minutes. Luckily, I finally found it stuck to some eraser nearby.

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/302...transistor.jpg

Here is post soldering. WAY sloppier than r1ch, but he must have more experience. :yepp: I don't think I had all the nail polish off prior to soldering......I sure hope it works. I hope I have enough contact.....

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/4955/postmod.jpg

Now to do my easy project for the night: drill a temp probe hole in the NB pot!

I wish I could try everything out today, but I won't get out of work fast enough to get more LN2 until next week. And my local grocery store was out of DICE today. Wonder why? :shrug::D
07-13-2009, 10:00 PM
G.Foyle

Great job Patch :up:
Funny - I lost that resistor too when I was making the mod yesterday :D
247 bclk so far, thanks to The_Fox and his excellent tips:
http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/screenshot/603353.png
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=603353
07-13-2009, 11:29 PM
The-Fox

hehe, Cool thing Patch, I like the scopes on your glasses, you should show us a picture of you wearing it "in action" :rofl:
That resistor is the smallest thing ever :shakes: but it looks like you got it all right, I am sure it will work.

xoqolatl, amazing results :up:, is that on AIR ?

I think my settings should be nominated to the "Golden Bloodrage Settings" :D

Keep pushing it guys, we need to ravish some records with the Bloodrage and show those snob guys with Classified that a non 500$ board can clock some clocks too :p:.
07-14-2009, 01:01 AM
GbrilliantQ

Hey, guys/gals...

I've removed the resistor out. Heres the thing though, it doesn't look anything like whats in the pictures or before I took it out. It's missing the black top. Did I just smash it off and killed it? Should I buy some replacements lol and could I use these instead, http://rsk.imageg.net/graphics/produ...160224w345.jpg

Any help would be awesome.
07-14-2009, 01:03 PM
r1ch

Quote:

Originally Posted by The-Fox

BTW,
Who the hell designed the PCI-E X16 slots on the Bloodrage ?
it's the worst design by far.
2 X16 slots then a PCI and another 2 X16 slots, so stupid :down:

I know people won't agree with me on this but I actually like it. :yepp:

I know this is XS, and we don't talk about daily rigs, but I had 2 9800GX2 and they were actually able to breathe with a full slot space in between them.

I wouldn't dream of cramming 3 dual slot cards into a daily system, in a case, on air. For a realistic daily system, the board layout kind of makes sense and like you say, there's PCI-E risers for those who need.

Great work Patch, wish I had those goggles, my eyesight is only just good enough!
07-14-2009, 05:09 PM
Mescalamba

Quote:

Originally Posted by r1ch

I know people won't agree with me on this but I actually like it. :yepp:

I know this is XS, and we don't talk about daily rigs, but I had 2 9800GX2 and they were actually able to breathe with a full slot space in between them.

I wouldn't dream of cramming 3 dual slot cards into a daily system, in a case, on air. For a realistic daily system, the board layout kind of makes sense and like you say, there's PCI-E risers for those who need.

Great work Patch, wish I had those goggles, my eyesight is only just good enough!

Actually.. "Classified" has almost same design, only difference is one slot gap between top and second PCIe x16 slot.. thats all. Tough, its better than BR.. but doesn't matter that much as all good soundcards are PCIe x1 now. Only problem would be tri-SLi or triple Xfire with dualslot coolers..
07-14-2009, 10:40 PM
The-Fox

Quote:

Originally Posted by r1ch

I know people won't agree with me on this but I actually like it. :yepp:

I know this is XS, and we don't talk about daily rigs, but I had 2 9800GX2 and they were actually able to breathe with a full slot space in between them.

I wouldn't dream of cramming 3 dual slot cards into a daily system, in a case, on air. For a realistic daily system, the board layout kind of makes sense and like you say, there's PCI-E risers for those who need.

Great work Patch, wish I had those goggles, my eyesight is only just good enough!

Sorry, but I don't see how it contradicts with having a proper PCI-E X16 alignment ? if you are using 2 cards then you can install them at first and last slots or something similar and that would work easily.
There is simply no logic in the current layout, really.

Its actually one of the reasons why I wanted to buy the ASUS P6T6 WS Revo, so I wouldn't have to worry about stupid things like PCI-E alignment.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mescalamba

Actually.. "Classified" has almost same design, only difference is one slot gap between top and second PCIe x16 slot.. thats all. Tough, its better than BR.. but doesn't matter that much as all good soundcards are PCIe x1 now. Only problem would be tri-SLi or triple Xfire with dualslot coolers..

Sorry, but I will have to disagree with you on that.
I don't see how the Soundcards are an issue here, most Motherboards have an upper PCI-E X1 slot which you can easily connect Soundcards there and since they don't run very hot, the spacing is not a problem.

BTW, if you really want to have good sound, get an external DACs.
Creative's Soundcards are overrated and aren't that good, not mentioning their drivers which are the worst in the computer industry I have ever came across with by miles.:down:
07-15-2009, 02:56 AM
Lord Trident

The-Fox
now some people like the lay out and some people hate

i do like as i uses pci card not pci-e for sound plus raid card as well

I've looked at the other and hate when you got three cards in you not got a slot for anything else
so that to me a a bad design.

but as you know we can fight all day about this and no one is right or wrong

thanks
07-15-2009, 03:39 AM
zalbard

Quote:

Originally Posted by The-Fox

BTW, if you really want to have good sound, get an external DACs.
Creative's Soundcards are overrated and aren't that good, not mentioning their drivers which are the worst in the computer industry I have ever came across with by miles.:down:

Yeah, I'm running one and it caused me a lot of problems in the past... :down: Drivers are getting OK now, so hopefully no issues any more.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Trident

i do like as i uses pci card not pci-e for sound plus raid card as well

I've looked at the other and hate when you got three cards in you not got a slot for anything else
so that to me a a bad design.

but as you know we can fight all day about this and no one is right or wrong

thanks

Yep, I agree here. Just hard to make the design that suits everyone. Or all boards would look the same. :)
07-15-2009, 03:52 AM
Mescalamba

Quote:

Originally Posted by The-Fox

Sorry, but I will have to disagree with you on that.
I don't see how the Soundcards are an issue here, most Motherboards have an upper PCI-E X1 slot which you can easily connect Soundcards there and since they don't run very hot, the spacing is not a problem.

BTW, if you really want to have good sound, get an external DACs.
Creative's Soundcards are overrated and aren't that good, not mentioning their drivers which are the worst in the computer industry I have ever came across with by miles.:down:

Eh.. well I have 3870 with more than bigger cooler and PCI sound card (yup, Creative .. Audigy 2, quite good it was..). So heat is issue for me and slot spacing too.. If I had "Classified" I wouldn't have this problem..

PCI-E x1 .. well, by "good" card I meant Auzentech and their cards, tough their X-Fi Forte is Creative from part.. but its probably best PCIe audio for PCs.

External DAC is great, if you only listen music.. I can hardly expect some EAX from it. :) (Auzentech has full.. eg. EAX 5.0).

Anyway.. its great board still. :D
07-15-2009, 07:11 AM
The-Fox

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Trident

The-Fox
now some people like the lay out and some people hate

i do like as i uses pci card not pci-e for sound plus raid card as well

I've looked at the other and hate when you got three cards in you not got a slot for anything else
so that to me a a bad design.

but as you know we can fight all day about this and no one is right or wrong

thanks

Well, The thing is the Bloodrage is aimed at Enthusiast people, Extreme cooling and stuff like that, so all the claims regarding compatibility to PCI sound cards and and Raid cards are meaningless.

Who the hell is going to run 3 or even 4 VGA cards on daily basis ?
We are only talking for Benching purposes and no one is going to use his fancy PCI card or Raid card during Benching.

And if you don't mind, I use a PCI-E Raid card for daily use myself (yahh, the one that still doesn't work with BIOS versions>G13) so i also care about place for my Raid Card but I obviously don't use it while benching.
07-15-2009, 08:00 AM
rioja

i've bought bloodrage board for daily use with 24/7 overclock
becoz it has nb-sb-pwm cooling system with stock waterblock over it
or watercooling is only for benching?
07-15-2009, 09:35 AM
Lord Trident

as i said this is not worth fighting about
yes i use a raid card and yes i know you raid card does not work as i got one my self that does not
i do know people who run 3 or four cards as there daily machine

i've seem some bencher use there raid card and not the built in

but as i said no one is right or wrong
so lets just drop it
07-15-2009, 10:25 AM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by The-Fox

BTW,
Who the hell designed the PCI-E X16 slots on the Bloodrage ?
it's the worst design by far.
2 X16 slots then a PCI and another 2 X16 slots, so stupid :down:

Now how am I suppose to connect 3 GFX cards with dual slot cooling ?:shakes:
Luckily they invented Risers and extender :clap:

theres no "one fits all" solution there...
better tri layout means worse dual layout, especially if its dual plus pci...
to be honest i actually did want to change it later on but the engineers didnt want to... iirc i wanted to swap the pci and the last 16x (8x) slot...
so then you can run tri sli, but when you run 2 cards you either lose the pci slot or you run 16x 8x... i thougt that was accepatble since the perf drop from going 16x 16x to 16x 8x is very small, 1% or so, and people who really care about this would not run a pci soundcard and just get a pciE card... or use a riser pci card for the soundcard...

then again, people who are extreme enough to run 3 or 4 cards are usually extreme enough to use riser cards or watercool their cards, so.... i thought optimizing the slot layout for 2cards would be better... back then the GTX295 was unknown, though a friend at nvidia tipped me off about it and said tri sli was going to be replaced by that...

so i figured the highend in future would be 2 dualgpu cards in quadsli and quadxfire... but the 295 ended up with less memory, less bandwidth and less shader units, probably cause of heat/yields... and tri sli remained strong...

anyhow, way off topic :P

nice work fox!
and djsub, the mem tweaking was mostly done by peter wei!
he did a great job on that :toast:
it could have been even better if only the engineers would have listened more to him...
07-15-2009, 10:27 AM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by The-Fox

After the mod I could easily even go to 130 Mhz with PCI-E, too bad that after 120Mhz the Sata controller freaks out and my HDD was not recognized.
So 120Mhz is somehow the safe/sane limit.

so the engineers lied to me... nice...
i asked them so many times to make sure pciE is not connected to sata... sigh...
07-15-2009, 10:21 PM
The-Fox

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

so the engineers lied to me... nice...
i asked them so many times to make sure pciE is not connected to sata... sigh...

Yahh, they lied to you BIG TIME. :rofl:

BTW I just realized its my HDD who loses/cuts connection with the SB as it just won't be recognized at boot when the ICH10R is looking for HDDs.
I might try another HDD as it looks like the HDD is artificially losing the connection at 120Mhz, probably a safety mechanism and I can understand why.

Quote:

nice work fox!
and djsub, the mem tweaking was mostly done by peter wei!

Thanks saaya :D

Who is peter wei BTW ?
Anyway he did great job as the AUTO memory settings for BR have been really great, tight and they don't seem to affect stability very much.
He truly did a great work on that.:up:
07-15-2009, 10:51 PM
rioja

Quote:

Originally Posted by The-Fox

BTW I just realized its my HDD who loses/cuts connection with the SB as it just won't be recognized at boot when the ICH10R is looking for HDDs.
I might try another HDD as it looks like the HDD is artificially losing the connection at 120Mhz, probably a safety mechanism and I can understand why.

may you use marvell sas contoller instead ich10?
07-16-2009, 04:49 AM
The-Fox

First, I have the GTI version, so no SAS on Board.
But even if I did it wouldn't matter as it still connects to the PCI-E bus which will result in the same issue.
The only way to avoid it is install XP/Vista on a DOK using USB connection or use External HDD.
Or find an HDD which will tolerate higher freq then 120Mhz and hope the data won't get corrupted or the disk to die.

But there is no point in it anyway as there is no benefit in higher PCI-E freq than ~110Mhz.
07-17-2009, 12:47 AM
Patch

It works. :clap:

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/9...9baseclock.jpg

My network drivers went freaky at higher PCIE frequencies and I couldn't validate at any higher than 5.1 ghz with 243 baseclock. Any suggestions? Or any suggestions for getting CPUZ 1.51 to validate from saved files?
07-17-2009, 01:06 AM
saaya

try cpuz 1.52? :D
its beta, just google for it and youll find a dl :)
just pm franck, hes here on xs a lot (nickname is cpuz)
07-17-2009, 01:06 AM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by The-Fox

Who is peter wei BTW ?
Anyway he did great job as the AUTO memory settings for BR have been really great, tight and they don't seem to affect stability very much.
He truly did a great work on that.:up:

mhhh i dont remember his online nickname... :D
he used to work for abit and then joined foxconn qf after abit went belly up...
im not sure what hes doing now, i think hes in the states now :D
07-17-2009, 01:35 AM
BenchZowner

Peter's nickname is welder if I'm not mistaken ;)
07-17-2009, 06:56 AM
The-Fox

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patch

It works. :clap:

My network drivers went freaky at higher PCIE frequencies and I couldn't validate at any higher than 5.1 ghz with 243 baseclock. Any suggestions? Or any suggestions for getting CPUZ 1.51 to validate from saved files?

Amazing clocks m8 :up:
You beat me by 1 Mhz :mad: just kidding :D

237 bClk from boot is nice :D

Anything special with the settings you would like to share ?
BTW, what was your max bClk with QPI on Fast mode ?

Keep pushing it !

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