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04-30-2009, 03:21 AM
v_rr

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Originally Posted by Shintai

So it could play HD by your own numbers. Thanks!

Priceless! :ROTF:

You should have problems reading graphs?
(notice: max 100%)
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/7...3841/16610.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/7...3841/16611.png

A quad-core play´s it at 40%. A Core 2 duo at 90% with max of 100%. This with a clean windows with the only purpose to test HD content.
As far as I know I run dozens of processes on my computer. With a 90%/100% CPU utilization with a core 2 duo that means that you have to close all background applications, otherwise spikes of 100% start to show and the movie turns crap with breaks. Still with the clean windows only for review HD content you get those 100% spikes.

What comes next is just Priceless! :ROTF:
04-30-2009, 03:29 AM
LaMpiR

Next comes spider pig... Shintai, I must ask. How old are you? I'm just curious...
04-30-2009, 03:43 AM
LowRun

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Originally Posted by Drwho?

This is the perfect example of useless marketing ... who care about the CPU utilization while playing a blueray ???? when you do, 99.99999% of the people don t do anything else ....

This is a new fashion ... CPU utilization being low is a good thing? since when?

That is bad marketing, from a final consumer point of view, it does not make any difference, except that you tried for take some $ out their pockets for something useless ...

When you play blue ray, you rarely do anything else, and if you do ... well, Get a Core i7, that will accelerate more than getting anything else.

:shrug: you got to see through all the cheap marketing of the gpu vendors ...
CPU utilization is not always important ... Especially in video playback.

Because the user isn't doing anything else while watching a blu-ray doesn't mean the processor is acting the same. You probably heard about anti-virus updates and scans, defragmenters and the gazillion background tasks that can take place. Your argument is not looking any better than the marketing BS you talk about ;)
04-30-2009, 03:59 AM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by v_rr

You should have problems reading graphs?
(notice: max 100%)
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/7...3841/16610.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/7...3841/16611.png

A quad-core play´s it at 40%. A Core 2 duo at 90% with max of 100%. This with a clean windows with the only purpose to test HD content.
As far as I know I run dozens of processes on my computer. With a 90%/100% CPU utilization with a core 2 duo that means that you have to close all background applications, otherwise spikes of 100% start to show and the movie turns crap with breaks. Still with the clean windows only for review HD content you get those 100% spikes.

What comes next is just Priceless! :ROTF:

The point is HD content. Not the format.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVf3P...layer_embedded

1080P playing just fine on an Atom.

And how many old machines got bluray drives, or even new?

I think you mix HD and Bluray encoding. Running HD doesnt mean you need to run and decode the bluray format. Plus in your tests above. I would surely look at a newer driver. Since Bluray support was added much later.

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/h...1230/13698.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/h...1230/13699.png

Even a 1Ghz Core 2 could handle the first one.
04-30-2009, 04:42 AM
saaya

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Originally Posted by Shintai

1080P is playing just fine on an Atom.

hahahah, another sig quote :D

there should be a thread, best of shintai quotes :D

damn this thread exploded...
04-30-2009, 05:08 AM
Macadamia

Shintai is starting to resemble gosh

I don't know if that's actually a bad thing, though
04-30-2009, 05:18 AM
Hornet331

Well 1080P WMV HD works on a atom at playable fps, but i doubt it will be smooth the whole time... anyway why the hell is this topic suddenly about a usless crap anyway?

Who in the world watches HD content on nettops anyway.... max. res is 1024x600 + no optical drive.... :stick:
04-30-2009, 05:27 AM
Boissez

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

Well 1080P WMV HD works on a atom at playable fps, but i doubt it will be smooth the whole time... anyway why the hell is this topic suddenly about a usless crap anyway?

Who in the world watches HD content on nettops anyway.... max. res is 1024x600 + no optical drive.... :stick:

Don't confuse netbooks and nettops. Decent HD decoding ability is crucial for cheap HTPC/home server use IMO.
04-30-2009, 05:45 AM
Hornet331

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Originally Posted by Boissez

Don't confuse netbooks and nettops. Decent HD decoding ability is crucial for cheap HTPC/home server use IMO.

Nettop=! HTPC, a nettop is just that a lowcost pc to surf the web thats "not" portable.

There are far better alternatives for HTPCs, for only a few more bugs then a Atom nettop.
04-30-2009, 07:52 AM
B.E.E.F.

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Originally Posted by Shintai

Even a 1.6Ghz Atom with 945 chipset can run HD movies without problems. People here at work that got them as extra toy gadgets do that.

Uhhhh no it can't. Tell that to my notebook.

Good god Shintai! It just keeps coming.
04-30-2009, 07:55 AM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by B.E.E.F.

Uhhhh no it can't. Tell that to my notebook.

Good god Shintai! It just keeps coming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVf3P...layer_embedded

Enjoy :D
04-30-2009, 08:07 AM
B.E.E.F.

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Originally Posted by Shintai

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVf3P...layer_embedded

Enjoy :D

No again.

http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=39176

Quote:

I just tried playing Coral Reef Adventure from here on my 901:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/window … wcase.aspx

720P
GOM: Plays perfectly
WMP: Plays perfectly
VLC: No video but sound is fine. If you replay a recent few seconds you'll get some broken up video.

1080P
GOM: Video is good but sound has problems
WMP: Sound is good but video keeps jumping large numbers of frames.
VLC: Sound is good but no video.

When playing some easy wmv at 1080p. Let's not forget the other HD codecs.
04-30-2009, 08:39 AM
[XC] riptide

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Originally Posted by Shintai

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVf3P...layer_embedded

Enjoy :D

No you don't.

Show me 4Mbps Video playback with ~400kps Audio, at 1080p. Then we'll believe. Anything else is shenanigans. Oh and at 29/30 fps.
04-30-2009, 09:10 AM
STaRGaZeR

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Originally Posted by [XC] riptide

No you don't.

Show me 4Mbps Video playback with ~400kps Audio, at 1080p. Then we'll believe. Anything else is shenanigans. Oh and at 29/30 fps.

How about H.264 1080i60 ~35Mbps, played directly from the Blu-ray disc (real-time decryption needed)? And perfectly deinterlaced of course. Good luck trying to play that with an Atom or similar crap at more than 0~5fps without DXVA ;)

Some people really don't know what they're talking about.
04-30-2009, 09:15 AM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

How about H.264 1080i60 ~35Mbps, played directly from the Blu-ray disc (real-time decryption needed)? And perfectly deinterlaced of course. Good luck trying to play that with an Atom or similar crap at more than 0~5fps without DXVA ;)

Some people really don't know what they're talking about.

I´m not trying to play a 35Mbit Bluray movie with high encryption on and java infected. The original point was that HD aint just the bluray format. Specially not since you dont have bluray drives in the very wast majority of machines. New or old. You want some HD you can stream.

So picking some bluray movie and claim it cant play HD is wrong.
04-30-2009, 09:24 AM
STaRGaZeR

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Originally Posted by Shintai

The original point was that HD aint just the bluray format.

True.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

So picking some bluray movie and claim it cant play HD is wrong.

False. By definition, HD is everything above 720 pixels of vertical resolution. Blu-ray fits here. And I want to play it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

Specially not since you dont have bluray drives in the very wast majority of machines. New or old.

Last time I checked we were talking about Atom and its inability to play serious HD content. If you want to save your ass find a better excuse. That WMVHD clip is lame.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shintai

You want some HD you can stream.

I want what I want, not what you or Intel tell me I want. HD stream is not one of these things.
04-30-2009, 09:58 AM
[XC] riptide

Quote:

Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

How about H.264 1080i60 ~35Mbps, played directly from the Blu-ray disc (real-time decryption needed)? And perfectly deinterlaced of course. Good luck trying to play that with an Atom or similar crap at more than 0~5fps without DXVA ;)

^^ Ya. That what I want.
04-30-2009, 10:18 AM
ryboto

Check SPCR for atom systems and playback of HD content,
EEE Box B202

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As with the D945GCLF test system, we weren't able to run our typical video test suite. The system is inadequate for playing any 1080p content. Not only did the audio skip during playback, but there were frequent pauses and massive frame-loss. The most demanding clip the system could play flawlessly was a 720p H.264 trailer for "Dark Knight." It generally did fine with most 720p clips as well.

the test included,
Dark Knight trailer in H.264 ~5.7mbps 720p
Rush Hour 3 Trailer ~10mbps 1080p
Coral Reef Adventure Trailer ~7.5mbps 1080p

Atom N270 1.6ghz with 945GSE

it's not the only atom system they reviewed either. Only the dual core seemed to be ok with HD playback.

from another review,

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Both 720p and 1080p x264 clips played without difficulty. Slower single core machines are notorious for not being able to handle 1080p x264 clips, even using CoreAVC, so we're happy to report that a dual core Atom system is sufficient for such files.

-http://www.silentpcreview.com/article896-page5.html
04-30-2009, 10:19 AM
B.E.E.F.

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Originally Posted by Shintai

The original point was that HD aint just the bluray format.

I've got a PentiumII that can also decode HD video. I just make a single color frame at 1080p and loop it for 15min. There HD video. :rolleyes:

Get real...

The WMV video "proof" is weak. Let's see a more complex scene being played at the proper framerate WITH sound, and no jitter.

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