Intel Core i7 Processors [models & pricing] ! !

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09-16-2008, 07:07 PM
Epsilon84

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Originally Posted by Bo_Fox

This chart pretty much validates the fact that enabling HT *decreases* performance, if you look at CCWS2K2. I remember there being quite a number of other applications where performance is significantly decreased with HT. Anand only shows one but there was a site that showed a lot more and actually cautioned against HT if those applications were to be used (and even showed how it BSOD'ed in some applications). Heck, do you really use 3dsMax or Divx encoding? If not, then it's hardly worth it, IMHO.

Yeah, one app shows a decrease, and that validates your point?! What about the other 25 apps that didn't show a decrease?

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Well, the reality is that HT actually *decreases* performance on most apps that do not take advantage of multiple cores.

Well? :rolleyes:

Not to mention, the implementation of HT on Nehalem is different to the one on P4, and applications are a lot more multithreaded today than they were back in 2002...
09-16-2008, 07:47 PM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by bowman

Good luck with that, unless you're on the XE. I don't care what the five people on here buying XEs think, I'm not spending $999 on a CPU to get a decent overclock when I can get a multiplier-locked Penryn instead which will fall in price when these are released..

If the 2.66GHz version is able to reach 4GHz or close to it, then sure. Otherwise, there's no point, Penryn is better.

QFT! That's what I meant about the $999 processor, just look at past history?

I'm very impressed if that 2.66GHz model is anywhere near $300. All anyone has to do is look at what past models in that price shipped? More power to fellow Geeks looking forward to the XE and etc...... I'm happy for them:D Love to see them get every ounce of speed out of their processors. But just like watching a Drag race between very high performance cars. When it's over, I'll get in my Pick-em' up truck and go home.
09-16-2008, 08:00 PM
Nasgul

$300..........but you know the first few months we're gonna be looking at $375-$400, I believe I paid $380 for me E6600 back in August 2006 :mad:

And I just bought a Quad Q6600 for $150...........never again I'm rushing to buy.

Though Quad Core and HTT along with it? :up:
09-16-2008, 08:06 PM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by Nasgul

$300..........but you know the first few months we're gonna be looking at $375-$400, I believe I paid $380 for me E6600 back in August 2006 :mad:

And I just bought a Quad Q6600 for $150...........never again I'm rushing to buy.

Though Quad Core and HTT along with it? :up:

I got mine before you and paid $327:up: The point I told the other poster not to mix up Intel tray price and VAR's sticking it to us! I didn't say they wouldn't screw us. Come on dewd, remember we laughed at Newegg selling
X6800 for $1,599:rofl::yepp:
09-16-2008, 08:17 PM
xVeinx

Microcenter is THE place to get processors, they don't gouge :)
09-16-2008, 11:03 PM
T_Flight

I'm going right down the middle. I'm not going low end, and I'm not going extreme. I'm going 2.93Ghz. 500 bucks for a CPu is not that bad. Now if I was buying CPU's every year it might be, but I don't.

The only reason I'm not going XE is becasue the price is *too* high. It is not worth 999 dollars. If it was priced at 700 dollars I would buy that thing and wouldn't think twice.

I'm gonna grab that 2.93 and run it for awhile, and after the system has ran stock for awhile, I'm gonna put a mild OC on it and see what it does...then I'm gonna go balls to the wall and bench a highpoint number. :yepp:

After that, I'm gonna go online with the new system, fire up folding and let it chew through about 8-9 thousand PPD. Then I'll stop F@H and let it simmer down for a bit and go up on a mission with my virtual pilot freinds, and destriy the DPRK in Falcon 4. Late this winter I also plan on installing the new CoD and ArmA, and own anybody that gets in front of me.

I'm certain this new Bloomfield will excel at all of those things, and I'll finally be able to do my video encoding and editing without becoming such a chore.

My rigs are not just gaming consoles. They are my "everything" rigs, and I build them for true multimedia, and multitasking.

BTW, the only crashes I have got that were related to HT is when I turned it off. Since then it has never been off, and there has never been a single error related to HT being tunred on. I've ran HT CPU's since their beginning.

I don't know where the notion came from that HT causes BSOD's, but I'd be willing to bet it came from AMD-Zone. :rolleyes:
09-16-2008, 11:04 PM
gallag

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Originally Posted by Epsilon84

My post wasn't directed at you... ;)

I don't think so...
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=1746&p=6

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/...G/image002.gif

This chart pretty much invalidates the remainder of your post regarding HT...

This chart is from 2002, It is also on a completely different architecture.
09-16-2008, 11:11 PM
Epsilon84

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Originally Posted by gallag

This chart is from 2002, It is also on a completely different architecture.

Yes, I realise that, why can't people take posts into context?! Is it really that hard?!

Look at what Bo_Fox posted, he was rambling on about how P4s w/HT ran slower in almost every non multi-threaded app with HT enabled which is absolute rubbish.
09-16-2008, 11:26 PM
Bo_Fox

Well, that was my impression from a couple of years ago after seeing a few negative articles about HT. Many people were actually disabling HT, in fact (if you can remember)...

True, there are (and will be) lots more multithreaded apps that make good use of HT. If I do not hear of any compatibility/stability issues with HT enabled on the i7, then I might leave it enabled after all! Relax guys, I was just reacting to your "smart" posts in an equally "smart" manner, LOL.. it's sometimes like a fun game for me that I enjoy doing (debate could be addictive, huh?)..
09-16-2008, 11:36 PM
AuDioFreaK39

Do any of you know when we will see top quality first-rate games (like Crysis) with SSE4 support? I have been anticipating this for quite some time now.

For Penryn and Nehalem owners, what would the real-world performance benefits be from implementing it? (assuming we don't see true multicore support for still some ways to come)
09-16-2008, 11:37 PM
xtclocker

Wow I must buy one soon!
09-16-2008, 11:39 PM
Epsilon84

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Originally Posted by Bo_Fox

Well, that was my impression from a couple of years ago after seeing a few negative articles about HT. Many people were actually disabling HT, in fact (if you can remember)...

I ran a Northwood based PC from 03 to 05, and I didn't run into any computability or stability problems at all. From experience, HT was definitely beneficial for general desktop usage, and I had it enabled at all times.

The only issues HT had were with certain server based workloads, which may be what you're referring to. But you acted as if you KNEW Nehalem with HT would reduce performance in most cases which is just ridiculous since you have nothing to back that up except bogus claims about performance issues on P4s, which I soon debunked.
09-16-2008, 11:44 PM
AuDioFreaK39

by the way the Core i7 model names have been confirmed:

http://www.expreview.com/news/hard/2...352d10023.html

http://www.expreview.com/img/news/20...-september.png
09-17-2008, 12:01 AM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by Nasgul

$300..........but you know the first few months we're gonna be looking at $375-$400, I believe I paid $380 for me E6600 back in August 2006 :mad:

And I just bought a Quad Q6600 for $150...........never again I'm rushing to buy.

Though Quad Core and HTT along with it? :up:

I payed about 320-330$ for mine in July 2006. You just need to shop a better place :yepp:
09-17-2008, 12:05 AM
T_Flight

I hope that's a sign that NDA's are about to be lifted. Man, this wait is killing me, and I'm not gonna get caught up in X-mas price gouging.

If the rumors are right we are less than 2 weeks from release of this thing. Where are the numbers?

Another thing that is agravating me is the memory. I have no idea what to run on it, and haven't seen any tri-channel matched kits. I hope it's not gonna be a problem finding matched memory. I really wanna go with 3x2GB for a total of 6, but I really want it matched.
09-17-2008, 12:09 AM
Nosfer@tu

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

Because folks will do just like they did with E6600 and NOT X6800 that got out numbered 10 to 1. A lot fewer folks even care about the $1000 dollar model. This is Xtreme Systems.org and many know higher overclocking room with lower end processors than those who buy the top models and do the same.

I was just saying that prices are up to the Distributors, OEMs and VAR, not just AMD or Intel. The price you mentioned wasn't an Intel price as you said. I didn't mean anything nasty or negative.

This isn't Xtremely Rich Folks.org either LOL! E6600 and Q6600 and now 9300, 9450 and 8400 seems to be the most used here. One of the aims of overclocking is adding Value by overclocking. Pay for a lowend model and end up with a higher end model.

Or am I wrong? But that wasn't the point. I still see folks giving Newegg's price and not Intel's Tray Price as I said.

Well Donnie27 Im not trying to disrespect anybody. I just fell the thread has taken a turn of "Damm I have to spend alot" instead of WOW the smallest version is CHEAP.

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I'm really sick of folks talking about $1000 CPU's when 2.66GHz might cost about $300 or so. Or less than Conroe E6600 or Athlon X2 3800+. Get real folks what you guys want?Now yield must be danged good if 2.66GHz is the slowest they're going to ship Or has some one mentioned this already?

Thats what I quoted you for.

I dont understand why you get sick of that ?

Just enjoy your self because new technoligy is on its way :D

And so what if the top model costs 2-3 times more than the low end model.
it always has :)

Im going to place some smilies in the end here. So you and others know im not in any way looking for a figth :D

Im just debating :D:D:D :yepp::):):D:D;):up: :D

Be happy, be Nehalem :D
09-17-2008, 12:15 AM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by T_Flight

I hope that's a sign that NDA's are about to be lifted. Man, this wait is killing me, and I'm not gonna get caught up in X-mas price gouging.

If the rumors are right we are less than 2 weeks from release of this thing. Where are the numbers?

Another thing that is agravating me is the memory. I have no idea what to run on it, and haven't seen any tri-channel matched kits. I hope it's not gonna be a problem finding matched memory. I really wanna go with 3x2GB for a total of 6, but I really want it matched.

"Matched" memory is a joke. Just buy 3 2 packs of the same thing if you want trichannel and 6 sticks.
09-17-2008, 12:32 AM
informal

Good news for Nehalem is the new low voltage DDR3 Jedec standard.It could mean OCing the ram will be easier with the new low voltage sticks than the current ones.Any information when will the first low v. sticks be available on the market?
09-17-2008, 12:41 AM
AuDioFreaK39

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Originally Posted by informal

Good news for Nehalem is the new low voltage DDR3 Jedec standard.It could mean OCing the ram will be easier with the new low voltage sticks than the current ones.Any information when will the first low v. sticks be available on the market?

just in - Bloomfield officially supports only DDR3 800 and 1066, not 1333

How could that be good :(
09-17-2008, 12:44 AM
informal

Well the official support is one thing,user OCing is another.I can bet that the limitation is just a formal one.You will be able to clock your ram higher,but it will depend from board to board(like reported previously).Also of interest is the ref. clocking and how it affects the ram speed.It's still early to say how the officially supported ram clocks will affect the overclocking crowd.
09-17-2008, 01:16 AM
Kingcarcas

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Originally Posted by Movieman

Now for what I do the question is what day are they delivering them so I can heist a truck and pass them out in the DC section!:rofl:

Count me in :up: Curious what kinda PPD 2/4 instances can pump out with the SMP client.
09-17-2008, 03:51 AM
Hornet331

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Originally Posted by AuDioFreaK39

by the way the Core i7 model names have been confirmed:

http://www.expreview.com/news/hard/2...352d10023.html

http://www.expreview.com/img/news/20...-september.png

ha, that roadmap is promising for getting a i7-965, no other top model to replace it for 3 quaters and loose value like mad, just what happend with the QX9650. :cool:
I think i get rid of mine in oct to get at least ~550€ (from 980€ in dez last year :p:) out of it, buy a E2160 in the meantime and then jump on the 965 asap.
09-17-2008, 03:56 AM
Shintai

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

ha, that roadmap is promising for getting a i7-965, no other top model to replace it for 3 quaters and loose value like mad, just what happend with the QX9650. :cool:
I think i get rid of mine in oct to get at least ~550€ (from 980€ in dez last year :p:) out of it, buy a E2160 in the meantime and then jump on the 965 asap.

Thats not true. It says 965 _or_ higher :)
09-17-2008, 04:42 AM
Hornet331

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Originally Posted by Shintai

Thats not true. It says 965 _or_ higher :)

well, in Q408 and Q109 thers only the 965 alone and then in Q3 thers "or higher", i dont expect thers a higher clocked Ci7 in Q2 so this 3 quarter are quite reasonable. ;)
09-17-2008, 06:24 AM
Slovnaft

guys the ongoing NDA is starting to scare me.
I haven't seen many meaningful data regarding nehalem other than intel-spawned misinformation and the one review site that did some video encoding (whuptydoo?), and there's certainly been nothing regarding QPI from an overclocking headroom standpoint.
My spideysenses tell me core i7 might be a huge let down especially in its infant stages, and worst of all for those not interested in dropping a grand on a silicon slab.
Maybe I'm just trying to rationalize my recent purchases in penryn, but I fear nehalem won't clock nearly as well as these chips have. I mean, what if Intel really is going the way of AMD with its barely OCable HT interface?
am I the only one experiencing these P4 HT pangs of wariness? is everyone else just creaming their jeans to get ahold of these chips and if so could you provide me some reasons for excitement?

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