Thermochill rad flux cleanup

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08-10-2008, 11:45 AM
menace2society

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealRedRaider

So, you're making a feeble attempt at defending yourself, right?

You did admit, in your own way, that you don't own any Thermochill rads, therefore you really have no basis for your continued bashing, right?? :shrug:

I can assure anybody considering buying a TC rad, you will not be disappointed. The utter joy of superior performance, with sub-1000rpm fans, pure heaven....:)

My position needs no defence. I nether like or dislike thermochill.

My position is simply this:

ANY product that is considered a finished product that is not emeadiatly usable upon completion of purchase could and should be deem defective.
08-10-2008, 12:11 PM
menace2society

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealRedRaider

Your intitled to your own opinion, as I am of mine...

IMO, you are off base in regards to what you deem defective...

Do you buy groceries?? If you buy fresh vegetables, then I assume every vegetable you bought was defective, because they need to be cleaned via a rinse job in water prior to consumption, therefore they do not meet your criteria for immediately ready to be used as is...:)

This is not my opinion, I simply paraphrased in to a few sentences what the courts can consider when determining weather a manufacturer can be legally liable or not.

And buy the way vegetable are not manufactured
08-10-2008, 12:43 PM
largon

menace2society,
Enlighten me how does the flux affect the radiator's performance?
It's annoying, sure, but it certainly doesn't affect thermals...

RealRedRaider,
I'm sure asparagus isn't...
08-10-2008, 12:46 PM
Bojamijams

And God is manufactured, by Man. But thats another story...
08-10-2008, 12:52 PM
largon

Bojamijams,
Touché!
http://largon.wippiespace.com/smilies/duel.gif
08-10-2008, 01:10 PM
menace2society

Quote:

Originally Posted by largon

menace2society,
Enlighten me how does the flux affect the radiator's performance?
It's annoying, sure, but it certainly doesn't affect thermals...

RealRedRaider,
I'm sure asparagus isn't...

Performance is not relevant to the merits of this argument
08-10-2008, 01:11 PM
Bojamijams

Quote:

Originally Posted by largon

Bojamijams,
Touché!
http://largon.wippiespace.com/smilies/duel.gif

While you're watching this thread, I wanted to thank you for the work you put in the 8800GT voltmod thread. I was afraid of doing soldering and just insited on doing the softmod but 1.1V will only get you so far and my temperatures are far too low so I'm going to give it a shot when I get back from my business trip.
08-10-2008, 01:14 PM
Martinm210

You guys crack me up...lol!
08-10-2008, 01:16 PM
sirheck

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martinm210

You guys crack me up...lol!

Hey Martin.
Your wrong!
DOH im wrong!
Quit touching me!!
But,but he did it first!!
Yeah but he called me a %$^&

:ROTF:
08-10-2008, 01:17 PM
Xilikon

With such a petty debate, here's a good analogy to show why it's unacceptable like that but not defective :

You have a wallet full of bucks and no car so you need to get a nice car to suit your blingy lifestyle. After looking around, you fall in love with a Mercedes CLS63 AMG in the showroom so you proceed to buy it with a car salesman and pay cash for it. As you walk out with excitation to get such a exclusive car, the car salesman tell you will get it in one week (special delivery and such). When you get a phone call to learn that the car is ready to be picked up, you will go to the dealer then the salesman will show you your car. Your jaw drop to the floor at the sight of the car : A nice dark grey paint filled with lots and lots of dead hornets and bird poop all over the car. The salesman said that washing this car is not included and he dare to tell you to wash the car yourself. Will you find this acceptable ?
08-10-2008, 01:36 PM
menace2society

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martinm210

You guys crack me up...lol!

Has gotten a little childish has it

I argue almost daily so somtimes it's hard to stop myself:lol2: :slapass:

:peace:
08-10-2008, 02:36 PM
largon

Truth to be told I too was pretty pissed to TC after seeing there's a horrible load of the flux crap inside the rad. I did try to flush it out with gallons and gallons of cold and room and boiling water. It appears I didn't quite succeed as even today - 18 months later - the stuff is floating in my res...
:\

Bojamijams,
If you're a bit unsure about the soldering it can't hurt to poke some old boards&cards with the iron just to practice. Then few tips for the real deal:
If soldering on the small dot doesn't bag on the first time make sure the area cools down before retrying. Also, glue the wire on the board an inch back from the wire's end you're going to solder.
=)
08-10-2008, 05:13 PM
Navanod

Quote:

Originally Posted by largon

Truth to be told I too was pretty pissed to TC after seeing there's a horrible load of the flux crap inside the rad. I did try to flush it out with gallons and gallons of cold and room and boiling water. It appears I didn't quite succeed as even today - 18 months later - the stuff is floating in my res...
:\

Thats the entire point of me starting this thread!!!
I'm not saying TC is complete utter crap and that I'm just gonna sit here and throw rants all day long

I just wanted to discuss cleaning methods, and most importantly, find out if other's are like you, still seeing crap in their loop months later despite having cleaned their loop and getting clean water coming out for a few days.

I.E. DOES SEEING CLEAN WATER FLUSHED OUT = The rad is clean?

Until these condescending remarks started coming in...and turned the thread into a cat fight. :ROTF:
08-10-2008, 05:27 PM
eXa

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xilikon

With such a petty debate, here's a good analogy to show why it's unacceptable like that but not defective :

You have a wallet full of bucks and no car so you need to get a nice car to suit your blingy lifestyle. After looking around, you fall in love with a Mercedes CLS63 AMG in the showroom so you proceed to buy it with a car salesman and pay cash for it. As you walk out with excitation to get such a exclusive car, the car salesman tell you will get it in one week (special delivery and such). When you get a phone call to learn that the car is ready to be picked up, you will go to the dealer then the salesman will show you your car. Your jaw drop to the floor at the sight of the car : A nice dark grey paint filled with lots and lots of dead hornets and bird poop all over the car. The salesman said that washing this car is not included and he dare to tell you to wash the car yourself. Will you find this acceptable ?

If all cars came dirty u wouldnt care that much.
All rads need cleaning before use.
08-10-2008, 05:40 PM
Navanod

Quote:

Originally Posted by eXa

If all cars came dirty u wouldnt care that much.
All rads need cleaning before use.

If all rads required that amount of cleaning, I wouldn't care either, since the SOP would be well established

but imagine a car that you have to run through the car wash 5 times, followed by hand cleaning for an hour then driven around at 100km/hour for 2 hours to see if anymore dirt comes out of the nooks and crannies

compared to a normal car that you would run through a car wash once, followed by a quick hand wipe down

The thing is, everyone have their own home brew SOP for cleaning, and no one knows when is overkill (ie waste of time from that point on and potentially damaging) and when it is not truely clean but appears clean (such as my case, resulting in alot more cleaning work and wasted coolant)

We now know that it IS possible to clean the rad with nothing but hot water (thanks to R3) (no harsh chem needed) but it'll take a busload of water to do that.

I don't have hot taps, manually boiling water uses too much gas and time and distilled water ain't free either.
Hence, I was exploring the use of alcohol to reduce the number of hot flushes needed
08-10-2008, 05:50 PM
Navanod

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaptCrunch

boil the water an place pot on top of bass speaker and crank up your favorite tune

home made ultrasonic cleaner

:rofl: Loud Bass does not = ultrasonic

But seriously dude, I have ultrasonic water baths in the lab too, just nothing big enough for the PA120.3. Otherwise, that baby would've taken a long dip!
08-10-2008, 05:56 PM
IanY

Navanod,

We may have something new for the recruits on Tekong to do, besides sweeping leaves lol
08-10-2008, 06:10 PM
Navanod

Quote:

Originally Posted by IanY

Navanod,

We may have something new for the recruits on Tekong to do, besides sweeping leaves lol

And running to touch trees + supporting falling walls

I'm sure these recruits will be VERY good at cleaning rads, whats with all that experience cleaning choked drains, clearing mud out of M16s and M203s, polishing boots, cleaning urine stains from "mushroom heads" of the urinals and flushing water down their own throats during water parades :rofl: :ROTF:

:confused: You just awoke all my horrid memories of that 2 years!!! ARGH~~~!!!
Knock it down!!!
08-10-2008, 06:19 PM
IanY

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navanod

And running to touch trees + supporting falling walls

I'm sure these recruits will be VERY good at cleaning rads, whats with all that experience cleaning choked drains, clearing mud out of M16s and M203s, polishing boots, cleaning urine stains from "mushroom heads" of the urinals and flushing water down their own throats during water parades :rofl: :ROTF:

:confused: You just awoke all my horrid memories of that 2 years!!! ARGH~~~!!!
Knock it down!!!

I got very good at polishing the soles of my shoes and trash can covers haha

You have to come up with some new parade drill commands... shake.. turn.. reverse.. shake... drain.. fill.. rinse... hahaha
08-10-2008, 06:24 PM
Martinm210

I'd just like to give Navanod a BIG THANK YOU! for providing some great scientific results regarding the issue. I was aware of the issue through a few mixed threads, but I didn't realise there was that much quantity in the rad itself. I did have some issues with stuff coming out of my MCRs, but I havn't had any sort of issue like that with my HWlabs or TFC rads. I don't see why the radiators can't come cleaned by professional equipment, if it's a matter of cost, I'd be fine with paying the extra if need be. Anyhow, the photos and details was very good information and glad you shared it with us.

I always appreaciate when folks bring testing results/photos to the forums and share it with fellow members. I think it's what these forums are all about. Just one test result is worth 1000 opinions IMHO....

Testing and photos are the glue of the forums in helping other people, opinions and brand loyalty is a waste of bandwidth.

Great work!!, cheers to science!..:clap:

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