Cheapest one being around $266, I would DEFINITELY wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by CandymanCan
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Cheapest one being around $266, I would DEFINITELY wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by CandymanCan
Do wait, everything available now is only improved old technology. If you need an upgrade, go on the cheap. They are now giving away the best out there if you know what to look for.
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$284 is the opening/ I paid that for the Q6600. Sets of 3 DDR3 will be out. DDR3 at newegg cas 7 is getting cheaper every weekQuote:
Originally Posted by CandymanCan
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227309
If you wait a Little , you should be able to get a good board with 6 or 8 Phase power deign/ ICH10R from maybe Abit or MSI under 150 bucks. Asus probably more like $200 bucks.
maybe sell some old parts.
Sorry I posted so many times in a row.
for what it's worth, if you wanted to upgrade now, maybe go even lower. go with the 2x1gb ddr2 kits that are 20ar nowadays. pretty negligible, and you'd probably be able to even make money back by selling your old ddr1. then, for the cpu, either grab a e2180 or some other cheap e2xxx, or if you must, the e7200 is only $120. damned good deal. after some overclocking, it'd be damned impressive still. you won't be disappointed one bit, especially coming from an opteron 165 @ 3ghz. that'd let you wait it out.
For what it's worth, nehalem won't shatter the penryns, although certain things will obviously be vastly improved. In the long run, you'd have something that's still more than fast enough for today and tomorrow, and by tomorrow, nehalem and associated ddr3 prices will have plummeted.
All depends if you want to play the waiting game or buy now / soon. If you wanted to wait, you'd think it'd only be 6 months, but then it'd be a year, and by then, if you'd been patient enough, you'd be thinking "damn it, just another 6 months".
That should hold you over. But why not get a cheaper CPU and overclock a little? like an E7200? You can't use the 4gbs of ram in the P5Q? What does the P5Q/ P45 have over the P35 in the real world ? I have not read up on that chipset.Quote:
Originally Posted by CandymanCan
I did see that Asus has one with 16-Phase power, wow!
aye I suppose 4gb ddr2 is cheap enough. but e7200 is definitely way worthier than the e8500. conroes and penryns dont really take a big plunge when they lose half their cache. the e7200's overclock quite well too.
I just was wondering why you could not use the memory you have now in your new board.Quote:
Originally Posted by CandymanCan
Intel coming out with a new socket is a big deal. I would have an x48 this week if I thought it would be a real improvement. I want 4 cores and hyprthread. I want the memory controler on the CPU +++. I will go with the cheap Bloomfield. And (dumb I know) 12 GB of memory. (I fool with the OS some).
They will have a bunch of cheaper socket 1366 CPUs that will come out after the Bloomfield
I have not read a thing about an AMD CPU (or board) since they stopped being Intel pin compatible so I don't know what you have now.
I would just put together a good but cheap system and plan an upgrade in maybe a year.
The currant Intel technology is at a bargain right know. Correct me please if I am wrong, but if you stay with DDR2, what has been the improvements in the chipsets after the 965 other than a small memory improvement and maybe PCI-X 2.0.
You may not be able to Overclock a e8500 that much and the board you are looking at has all the OC features.
i think that's s939 so ddr1 ram
I'll take at least 12GB thank you ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bowman
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Originally Posted by ziddey
I would go with a cheaper CPU and overclocking board or a faster CPU and maybe an Intel board or something like a P35 Vanilla.
Just my -2 cents
non OC
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813121314
OC
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131277
I just looked these over fast as examples.
i had the same problem on my 939 board. a new bios solved it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CandymanCan
btw, support for DDR3-1066 only? that means you have to oc how much to make DDR3-1600 work at its default clock?
266 -> 400.
Thats what I am doing on my E6600 now.
^^thats FSB though. with cpu multiplier 20x, QPI real clock speed should be 133 Mhz. memory speed then should be 133x20/2.5=1066 ; so for the DDR3-1600 it should be 200x20/2.5=1600 ; please correct me if i'm wrong
That is the way I read it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dexman
If that is the case, then it should probably be very easy to get to that speed?
at 200Mhz QPI you get 4GHz on cores. you could lower the cpu multiplier but then the memory speed would drop too. so who knows, i think 4GHz should be doable. what i don't get is why they dont make support for higher memory speeds. whats stopping them from supporting DDR3-1600 or 2000 out of the box? any ideas:confused:
Might have to do with the ability of the QPI and IMC circuitry.
Im sure they support it. But as far as I know, Only up to DDR3-1333 is JEDEC standard yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by dexman
How hard will it be to get the base clock to 200MHz? I'm wondering how easy/hard it will be to get the 2.66GHz Nehalem to 4.0GHz on air cooling. The actual Nehalem core should be capable of similar (or even better perhaps, because of the deeper pipeline) clocks to Core 2, so the question is whether or not the non-XE versions will be held back as much as a CPU like the Q9300 or Q9450 is held back now.
The reference clock isn't really designed to scale that way, so it'll be interesting if you are trying to push it up that high I think. But we could be surprised.Quote:
Originally Posted by Extelleron