Creative Labs to sue a driver modder (Daniel_K)

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03-30-2008, 04:31 AM
STEvil

Auzen should be mad then, not Creative.
03-30-2008, 04:38 AM
Peakr

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnZS

They are getting their knickers in a twist over his Dolby Digital Live unlocker for X-Fi, which basically hacked exclusive an Auzentech Prelude feature.

Awesome! Where can I get this unlocker?
03-30-2008, 04:40 AM
JohnZS

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEvil

Auzen should be mad then, not Creative.

They probably are and got onto Creative Labs.
By the way this is a good read on the story and I agree with Hilbert.
Guru3d report that door is slammed on Driver modder
John
03-30-2008, 07:09 AM
BigKriss

The title of this thread is totally misleading !!
03-30-2008, 07:21 AM
NotFred

Nobody sued anybody, title should be changed.

I really hate the hysteria this is causing. It says very clearly in the letter that they were perfectly ok with him adding vista support to cards.
03-30-2008, 07:23 AM
keiths

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Originally Posted by JohnZS

I've been trying to calm things down on that forum, it's been complete madness. Basically people are ignoring everything that has been said and are jumping to conclusions.

I agree that Creative were wrong publicly issuing a cease and desist to Daniel_K however, there was also other stuff said which NONE of the News sites have bothered to report.

For example, they are not having a go at Daniel_K for his tremendous Audigy Support Pack which enabled Audigy users to user their cards on Vista.

They are getting their knickers in a twist over his Dolby Digital Live unlocker for X-Fi, which basically hacked exclusive an Auzentech Prelude feature. Auzentech paid a lot of money for an exclusive licence with Dolby to have their cards support the encoder. Now thanks to Daniel_K's hack people who purchased bare basic X-Fi cards could also use this feature. No doubt contracts and money was exchanged between Auzentech and Creative to ensure it was a Prelude feature. So Daniel_K's drivers (being advertised on the Creative Forum), could get Creative into trouble if they allow the distribution of that driver to continue.

I must reiterate that the AUDIGY SUPPORT PACK is still allowed so people CAN use their Audigy cards on Vista.

John

As I've seen it described elsewhere; the features he enabled were features available on those cards in xp and features Creative used in their sales pitch of promises of functionality in vista, which makes Creative totally in the wrong and their story about licensing to Auzentech irrelevent, as they had already sold the rights to use these features to these owners.
03-30-2008, 07:23 AM
JohnZS

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigKriss

The title of this thread is totally misleading !!

I agree :up:

Should read Creative get their panties in a twist over driver modder?

Not meaning to sound like I am taking sides, but did anyone remember when nVidia did the same to OMEGA for his drivers?

There was nowhere near as much web attention... I just think Creative are being picked on, as nVidia said exactly the same to OMEGA and UGO. They even theattened UGO with legal action because of their SLi Unified drivers (Drivers which allowed SLi on non-nForce chipsets).

John
03-30-2008, 07:58 AM
lapdog

Users have been unlocking video cards forever and I think it has proved good for video card sales. If Creative really does not want features enabled they need to physically disable them.
03-30-2008, 08:05 AM
hollo

89 pages http://forums.creative.com/creativel...ending&page=89 :ROTF:
03-30-2008, 08:33 AM
RaZz!

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Originally Posted by hollo

89 pages http://forums.creative.com/creativel...ending&page=89 :ROTF:

awesome!

i'm happy with my audigy2 (with winxp) for ages, but the vista support of all their products is the worst thing i've ever seen.

it's about time the customers realize how creative threats them.

creative has 2 options now: to actually READ what their customers have to say and drastically change their business, or ignore the customers and drive the last missing nail into their own coffin.
03-30-2008, 08:35 AM
i found nemo

i'm never buying creative again. if my onboard audio worked i'd destroy this sound card, wich does not work in x64 xp or server x64 2003.

edit -

here's all the drivers i tried to make it work in the x64 environment last year

http://img30.picoodle.com/img/img30/...tm_e3928a9.jpg
03-30-2008, 09:50 AM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan

Creative is also pissed off at Asus now because Asus is adding EAX support :rofl:

No they're not. Asus will have to pay Creative use its tech=P I too wish they'd hire DK and all YouP_Pax folks as well.

Personally, I'd take an Audigy 2/ZS or 4 over the XPlosion any day:up: It's not in the same class as the X-Fi and dewd that wasn't upgrade, it was downgrade LOL!

Please also note, there are legal issues here. Vista was created to implement DRM via Protected Multimedia paths. Breaking it is like stealing Cable TV or using you neighbors wireless. MS, RIAA and everyone else can easily say since Creative allowed Daniel K to help folks they must be backing him. So MAYBE Creative has to at least appear to Give a D@mned!
03-30-2008, 09:57 AM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by halo112358

Funny, that graph follows onboard sound chipset improvement pretty well...

As for creative: maybe if they supported their products then people would buy them instead of just using onboard sound. I spent an extra $100 to buy an auzentech card with a creative chip instead of buying a x-fi xtreme gamer just because creative are a bunch of dicks. Lean realtek drivers are a lot more useful to me than a whole crap-ton of creative bloatware just for 1-3 more fps while using EAX.

:rofl: :ROTF: Very good one!
03-30-2008, 09:59 AM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by lapdog

Users have been unlocking video cards forever and I think it has proved good for video card sales. If Creative really does not want features enabled they need to physically disable them.

Got one for MS's HDCP?
03-30-2008, 10:57 AM
JohnZS

Everybody's favourite news site The Inquirer also has it's own take on Creative and their drivers.
Creative's Drivers Ate my :banana::banana::banana::banana:
Hah nice to see the Inquirer is still true to form.
John
03-30-2008, 12:26 PM
kryptobs2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnZS

I agree :up:

Should read Creative get their panties in a twist over driver modder?

Not meaning to sound like I am taking sides, but did anyone remember when nVidia did the same to OMEGA for his drivers?

There was nowhere near as much web attention... I just think Creative are being picked on, as nVidia said exactly the same to OMEGA and UGO. They even theattened UGO with legal action because of their SLi Unified drivers (Drivers which allowed SLi on non-nForce chipsets).

John

Can't defend them lately, but at least nvidia has actually made some good products over the years. Maybe people weren't bitter towards nvidia to begin with?
03-30-2008, 02:19 PM
Peakr

Daniel_K's Dolby Digital unlocker for X-FI. And Creative Alchemy for Audigy Cards 1.00.8 Universal.

Linky
03-30-2008, 03:20 PM
STEvil

124 pages now...

511 signatures on the online petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/crtvlabs/petition.html

It was 503 as I was signing it...
03-30-2008, 03:28 PM
keiths

You don't do a petition where a lawsuit is warranted. A petition is naive.
03-30-2008, 03:42 PM
B.E.E.F.

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Originally Posted by hollo

89 pages http://forums.creative.com/creativel...ending&page=89 :ROTF:

There's some funny comments too.

PG 94:
HAHAHAHHA HOLY **bleep** CREATIVE

look what you just did.... 93 pages of HATE, absolute pure hate for your products. You just tied your own ropes baby. The only thing that is left is for you to kick the chair out from under yourselves (which may be easier than waiting for us to do it by never buying a single creative product ever again).
03-30-2008, 05:59 PM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by Peakr

Daniel_K's Dolby Digital unlocker for X-FI. And Creative Alchemy for Audigy Cards 1.00.8 Universal.

Linky

Got links to other places where I don't have to download $hit managers?
03-30-2008, 06:09 PM
SoulsCollective

Newegg has spoken?

Quote:

To Whom it May Concern:

While it is not our place to condemn the decisions of Creative regarding this issue, our customers come first. That being said, it has come to our attention that many of our customers are not happy with the products Creative has released nor the support for those products. To wit, we have processed nearly 5,000 return orders within the past 48 hours. While it is not normally in our best interest to publically comment in a manufacturer's forum, the overwhelming concensus has left us little choice. As such, effective tommorow morning newegg.com will suspend sales of the sound cards in question, particularly those indicated as "Vista compatible", pending an investigation into the matter. Those of you whom recently ordered such a card will still recieve your product as indicated in any relevant conversations. While we regret this abrupt decision, it has been deemed neccessary to protect the interest of our consumers. We welcome contact from Creative as soon as is possible so that we may resolve this issue.

Thank you,

Newegg.com
03-30-2008, 06:15 PM
GripS

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Originally Posted by SoulsCollective

Newegg has spoken?

That....is.....awesome. Think Creative will listen now? :D
03-30-2008, 06:59 PM
shiznit93

The registered email of the newegg poster is webmaster@newegg.com and that forum requires email confirmation and activation so I'm thinking it's legit, unless someone else has access to webmaster@newegg.com.

I'm content my x-fi (which i got used for $40) now that I replaced the crappy stock opamps, but Creative's had it coming ever since they maliciously sued Aureal out of business and bought the Ip for dirt cheap after Aureal was forced to file for bankruptcy due to litigation costs (even though it won the lawsuit). I still have my Diamond MX300 somewhere, and A3D 2.0 pwned anything EAX. They also killed Soundstorm (I miss my Nforce 2), the best on-board sound ever made, with hardware acceleration and real-time DD Live encoding, with a malicious lawsuit against Senasura (Soundstorm was based on licensed Senasura tech), forcing the company to shut down due to litigation costs and sell their IP to Creative. Nvidia was forced to abandon Soundstorm development.

Now we find out they intentionally cripple their Audigy series Vista drivers to disable key features which work just fine in XP and are listed all over the shiny box and their website, in an effort to force obsolescence and make their loyal customers buy X-FIs, all while telling people that the features don't work due to incompatibility issues with Vista. That my friends, is called fraud. If Creative manages to survive this mess, you can bet there will be a class-action lawsuit coming.

Good riddance and :banana::banana::banana::banana: you Creative.
03-30-2008, 07:51 PM
Peakr

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

Got links to other places where I don't down $hit managers?

Don't think you need the manager just put in the 3 digit code and click the download button.

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