BIOSTAR TA770 A2+ AM2+/AM2 AMD 770 ATX at the Egg

I think you better check what everyone has said since mid-December and knows about Phenom NB and it's limitations and needs of high volts including Sami, gOtVoltage. If anyone knows how to oc or about Phenom, I'm sure you know Sami will. Email AMD support and find out. ;)
Sadly, I have to say your BIOS has a major bug that you guys need to work out. Your NB so far is showing only results of it being very near 1800MHz NB in all instances where only multiplier is used only. :(

You're on X64, your bandwidth should be far far higher at only 2200MHz on NB 1066 and no tweaks whatsoever. Your bandwidth is low for such clocks. Those results our systems can beat with near stock NB frankly, and we know how NB perf. scales with speed very clearly.

Also according to AMD/Sami, those NB speeds are impossible. Even 3GHz/2.8GHz above subzero is impossible. You need LN2 to get such high speeds and damn high volts for. It's like you hitting 6.2GHz on Core 2 on air. Fact is, you'll have to prove it with performance of 2.5GHz NB first. That's why NB was released unsync with the cores, it's hard to clock and causes instability quickly. Absolutely no way you'll even hit 2.8GHz on air with less than 1.55V with it, mark my word. ;)

The only way you can very clearly test NB speed is bandwidth/32M etc. They show your NB speed very very clearly. Like I said you should be over 18k Sandra with only 3.5GHz NB even without linear scaling (it scales pretty much linear).

At this moment, you should try working out what speed you're at by comparing performance of known NB speeds because your BIOS is giving off wrong NB values - most software will then fault based on it. I'll tell you a test for NB: WinRAR :yepp:

It scales very well with NB, no need for CPU speed, only NB speed with 800 or 1066 RAM stock can show the NB speed. You should top 2500KB/s with 2300MHz CPU, 1066 RAM and 2800MHz NB or your real clocks are lower.

Hope you guys figure and test this out better and iron out these bugs, major bugs at that. :D

New Bios! :woot:

222.BST
Date : 22/2/2008

Features:
- AGESA CPU ROM Version 3.1.1.0
- SB600 SATA ROM Version 2.5.15.40.33

Download Link:
http://www.biostar.cn/bios2005/BIOS/...8XA222.BST.rar

Thanks for posting that tictac.

I have to wonder how much of Polygons thread is being co - opted into the BIOS revs that are being released :) :up:

Ok i just installed another Bios 222.xxx Mod bios which uses the new 222.BST Biostar Bios ..

@Cpu2300mhz 1800mhz HT x 2 = HT3600mhz this is running at Mobo spec.

SuperPi 1m @ 1800NB 1800HT = 35.675s
SuperPi 1m @ 6200NB 1800HT = 32.610s

Im so confused that if the NB isnt doing anything why do i GAIN over 2s in 1M performance wise.

Why are the Applications running faster,, Why are my 3Dmark06 scores faster.

It dosnt make sense if its not working...per AMD 6.2g is max for NB

Also how would you bench mark WinRar ? isnt that just a file program like WinZIP.

How the heck would it benchmark?

Also Sandra shows the memory controler @ 6.2g..

Is the NB actually the memory controler speed?

L@@K below @6200NB its 6.2g..Now if i run Default with out raising NB its 1.8g.

There is over a (2 second gain from 1800nb to 6200nb) , how is this possiable then? Im no expert but something is making the CPU faster in all APPS!

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...ontroler31.jpg

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Originally Posted by gOtVoltage

Im so confused that if the NB isnt doing anything why do i GAIN over 2s in 1M performance wise.

Why are the Applications running faster,, Why are my 3Dmark06 scores faster.

It dosnt make sense if its not working...per AMD 6.2g is max for NB

Also how would you bench mark WinRar ? isnt that just a file program like WinZIP.

How the heck would it benchmark?

Also Sandra shows the memory controler @ 6.2g..

Is the NB actually the memory controler speed?

L@@K below @6200NB its 6.2g..Now if i run Default with out raising NB its 1.8g.

There is over a (2 second gain from 1800nb to 6200nb) , how is this possiable then? Im no expert but something is making the CPU faster in all APPS!

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Played with nb multis above 9 via wprcedit and found that the max async latency was different between both setups. after i used the same mal via memset the difference shrank to about 1/3. I could not find other subtimings that differed.
Maybe L3 cache timings (assuming it has ones) are also affected. Do you need higher nb voltage to run those higher multis stable?

Check winrar's menues.

Im running Cpu @1.31volts with NB/SB @ 1.25v and HT @1.3v

Ill dload winRar and try bench with that then.. I just find this wierd..The system does do better,,but like KTE says that its diffacult to run even over 3.0g on the NB so this just seems crazy i know.

Ill try post more later.

It could be Bios bug or TLB fix just makes it run good..What ever it is when i go from(( 1800 TLB fix off to 6200 TLB fix off ))there is over a( 2 second gain,improvement in system speed)..Despite the TLB off mode the only setting being changed is NB! I just need to find exactly how ,why this gains performance.

Aha you see gOtVoltage, things are quite weird and you have to compare to known values. You should always test any setup to know facts. Software reading vs. Physical speed change are two different things. ;)

Have you seen my 14GHz K7.5 benchmarked? :lol2:

I've seen and known about these bugs on both AM2 and AM2+ with Phenom for a long while. They're very constant with AM2 users but easy to catch by the performance. They're typical BIOS bugs. I've spoken and shown them many times.

Keep two basics in mind:
1) Registers can read anything => software which reads registers only, if register is wrong, software which relies on it is wrong.
2) Phenom systems are known to read wrong registers and thus speed values many many times.
3 i) While the actual physical speed/multi of the system can be very different or not changed at all. You can check this by benchmarking only.

Let's take some examples.
You posted this oc 02-24-2008:

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...0htcpu2300.jpg

The EVEREST Ultimate benchmarks of it you posted after (02-10-2008): NB 2800 vs. NB 5600

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u.../NB2800mhz.jpg http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u.../NB5600mhz.jpg

Quick comment: your IMC scores are very low even for 1800MHz IMC, the read is too low. Something seems wrong with the NB clock controller and/or register. Your scores should be higher even if those 1800 was real, even more with X64.

Now me and Achim compared MB RAM/Cache/IMC performance at the same clocks/timings. Have a look at these at 2200/1800/800. I'll choose to compare Achim's 9500 770 scores as the 790 boards were a bit better.
M3A results: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=259
K9A2 Platinum results: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=950
PC-AM2RD790 results: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=566

If your speeds were above 2200/1800 IMC, you should naturally have higher L1/L2 and L3 scores and lower latencies by far. You should have lower memory bandwidth and higher memory latency though due to us having tighter timings =>

http://www.abload.de/img/everest-gangedtp4.jpg

If you compare, your results are much lower than a 1800MHz IMC. The results mainly affected are L3 read bw and latency. Both of yours are low for even 1800 MHz (this bug is giving you poor IMC performance, even worse than stock). If you ran L3 latency which depends on read bw, it would be slow for even 1800MHz. If you look at the other's, they're even higher.

Now I'll show you the very obvious difference of real IMC clocks as Sami (AMD worker/pioneer allround overclocker) showed us a while back and how you can see them done in typical mode, not with services/processes/themes disabled but just the AV/FW paused from an everyday OS.


TEST REAL IMC SPEED

1809MHz (9x) vs. 2211MHz (11x)

EVEREST Ultimate (check the L3)
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2...2stock2dy1.jpg
vs.
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5...22stockvl2.jpg

WinRAR

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7...6winrarte4.png vs.
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2...2211winyq8.jpg


See the glaring difference and perf. gain? ;)
I also have near 2.6GHz real speeds benchmarked and plus 7GHz bugged ones benchmarked. Like I said, actual oc IMC requires high volts and is hard.

Compare the 7GHz benchmark, so you know what a bugged reading looks like (actual speed has obviously not changed from 1809).

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4341/nbbwevta9.jpg

No real change from stock (minor fluctuation is normal).

Re SPi: your score is actually still not optimized and fair slow for 2300/1800/800. It could get much faster leaving all speeds/timings the same. If even you managed 2200 IMC real, your 1M would be much lower.

HIH. :)

Thank you KTE,, for your input..Explains alot...The crazy thing is that means the STOCK BIOS for TA770 is very slow for Phenom...Using the Mods is the only way that one can really see the speed of Phenom on this Mobo...

Even with a Mod Bios the VideoGraphics links or Bandwidth/HT is even slower than what is should be...Ive tried GTS512 X1550 X1660 3870x2 and even some 1st gen GTS and all have a 10/15% reduction in speed using PCi-E 2.0 on this Mobo with Phenom..They do work at full speed with regular X2 chips..

This shows the Bioses need lots of work for Phenom...I believe Phenom should have its own exclusive Bioses for performance over these dual bios stuff.

Oh well we shall keep trying... ill keep all of you posted...

Thanks again:up:!gOtVolTage!

It's no problem at all, you're very welcome, I don't want users to get confused and not see the real performance increase with oc of all parameters. It's big and it increases with speeds. ;)
Plus I want the developers to iron these bugs out and fix them for all AM2 and AM2+ boards so end users can really get a good taste of oc'ing. Phenom is highly tweakable, quite complex in its running too.

Check my +7GHz NB run compared to the 1.8GHz Nb run, you'll see 7Ghz is actually slower. That's because the registers turn whacko. Your underperfomance looks for that same reason. Leave NB speed at auto or 1800MHz in BIOS, and see how it performs. Other 770 boards are not performing as bad as that nor any other Phenoms so I highly doubt it's the board, it's the BIOS and the BIOS settings you choose. :)

Phenom still needs better BIOSes. MBs which have decent BIOS are missing at least one or two other crucial components either in hardware or software compatibility. Ones that have these lack a decent stable BIOS. No one has it all yet. :(

Hope Polygon can smash something out of this. :up:

Linky

http://www.lejabeach.com/Biostar/TA770A2+/ 228.BST (BETA)not official yet...Stock Biostar

Polygon has a TLB fix already as well..

http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-...;t=000463;p=44

NPTfid and NB working with 9600BE...Thes Bioses still have a long way to go but keep getting better testing the (TLB disabled fix Bios) .. the 228.TBL MOD Works like a charm the NPTfid and NB clocks but memory @ 1066 can be set using 1066divider.. It will default to 800mhz.

NB settings seem to like 2000mhz and lower with HT being set the same...Before this Bios i had to use FSB or AOD to Oc...Now i can raise/lower the Multi along with the FSB:yepp:

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...NPTfidBios.jpg

I am on X64bit..that is the only reason why i am not posting Oc's over 2.5ghz..It just isnt 100% possable ATM...It has to do with the 64bitOS and Bios..Those of you with 32bit OS should be able to crack 2.5ghz with out a sweat on the TA770 with the (Stock Beta228.BST) or (Mod Beta 228.TBL..TLB disabled BIOS..

Like always many thanks to :up: Polygon :up: for his TLB work and other optimizations..Funny he is way fast with these updates.

The TA770 can do 270+fsb with Phenom! I maxed out my ram 1080mhz @2.3volts with this Bios or i would of gone more...The Biostar Bioses need to be Optimized more fo Higher ram and CPU above 2600mhz!...The 228 Bios is Biostars latest BETA and Polygon has added only the TLB disable option to it...


The screen is CPU@ 2300mhz(8.5x270fsb) im now using 2400mhz (9x270fsb) havnt had chance to Oc more yet...What is nice is before this the TA770 would only do 230/240 max .....Its definatly a learning process:yepp:


http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...fsb2300mhz.jpg

I am looking for some help. Hope someone can take the time to help as I am a little confused on the Phenom overclocking as I have been out of the loop and was just using simple overclocking with past 5000BE and priopr to that xeon quad which was simple. I have been reading but see there are a few factors with Phenom overclocking, I just want to get to 2.5

I have:

Phenom 9500
TA 770 A2+ running Biostar 125 bios
2x2GB Gskill PC6400 4,4,4,12
Freezone CPU Tec cooler
Antec Neo 550HE

Questions:

1) Should I update to latest Biostar 222 bios or rebel havens beta 228
2) Is the TLB fix auto enabled in my current 125 bios or will it be auto enabled in the new 222 bios? If so what do I need to disable it as I see that appears to be the route pees are going
3) quick step to what I should be adjusting to get to 2.5

Use the 228.TLB from Rebelshaven...PHENOM ONLY BIOS

The 125BST and 222BST suffer bad ...performance takes a hit becuase yes they use the TLB fix.

Install the 228.TLB using stock default settings so you can set up all your hardware drivers what ever...This will prevent most problems...Also Set the correct Voltage for your ram but leave the timing on Auto...Then once everything is working go Back into BIOS to Enable the BooT Lan option and then set what ever timing and multi you may need..

The BootLan ENABLE will Disable the TLBfix in the 228.TLB bios.....

Also turning off CnQ to enable adjustable NB and Multi options...

If you use SATA make shure its set to Native IDE mode ..There are two different Sata controlers..I disable the First Jmicron Esata....and only use the Onboard Sata..make shure its set to IDE mode DONT USE AHCI.

Another Bios should be out Very soon from what Biostar states and is suppose to Fix many 9500/9600 and 9600BE disfunctional features...In other words we should be getting a kickAsss Bios soon and you know Polygon will disable the TLBfix:up:

The performance of the 228.TLB is night and day over the 125 and 222 bioses...

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Originally Posted by gOtVoltage

Use the 228.TLB from Rebelshaven...PHENOM ONLY BIOS

The 125BST and 222BST suffer bad ...performance takes a hit becuase yes they use the TLB fix.

Install the 228.TLB using stock default settings so you can set up all your hardware drivers what ever...This will prevent most problems...Also Set the correct Voltage for your ram but leave the timing on Auto...Then once everything is working go Back into BIOS to Enable the BooT Lan option and then set what ever timing and multi you may need..

The BootLan ENABLE will Disable the TLBfix in the 228.TLB bios.....

Also turning off CnQ to enable adjustable NB and Multi options...

If you use SATA make shure its set to Native IDE mode ..There are two different Sata controlers..I disable the First Jmicron Esata....and only use the Onboard Sata..make shure its set to IDE mode DONT USE AHCI.

Another Bios should be out Very soon from what Biostar states and is suppose to Fix many 9500/9600 and 9600BE disfunctional features...In other words we should be getting a kickAsss Bios soon and you know Polygon will disable the TLBfix:up:

The performance of the 228.TLB is night and day over the 125 and 222 bioses...

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I really appreciate your feedback. I have not played with overclocking MAD quad in a while and got a bit lazy

Currenlty I am running 125 all auto in the current bios. I will do as mentioned and come back with more questions I have not changed a thing as when I replaced the 5000BE with the 9500 I had issues just getting to boot so once I was able to get into bios I just selected the default settings and have left everything default prety much

I will be back with more questions and hopefully once overclocked I can contribute with some feedback to help others

Appreciate the help, last question when I flashed to current 125 I used the interenet bios method , are we okay with the 228modded bios using internet flash or only via floppy, I can not even remember if windows flashing allows one to select the bios file

I wouldnt use the Intranet flash if my life depended on it:yepp: ...A floppy is safer than that!...What if the connection goes down in middle of flash or some wierd stufff...


I use USBstick or Floppy or Burn file to CD....But never Internetflash ,its real iffy..

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Originally Posted by gOtVoltage

I wouldnt use the Intranet flash if my life depended on it:yepp: ...A floppy is safer than that!...What if the connection goes down in middle of flash or some wierd stufff...


I use USBstick or Floppy or Burn file to CD....But never Internetflash ,its real iffy..

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I am flashed up to the 228 bios now I just figure where I start,. I ran the tlb exe fix.

I got questions guys. Check my thumbnails out. Why does CrystalCPUID show the cpu running 11x230 = 2520 yet cpuz shows the multi at 5.5 x230 = 1265. I have the tlb patch enabled. I was in my bios I upped vcore by .037 which i plan to drop to either .012 or additional .025. I plan to lower mem timings as well to 4,4,4,12. I have mem set to ddr667 in bios I left the HTlink at 1800 in bios and ht frequency at auto in the TA770 A2+ bios. What is difference between "ganged and unganged"? Should I select a specific value for HT frequency in bios, should I select DDR800 in bios over the 667 setting. System has been priming for last 30 minutes with vcore at max of 42 with my Freezone CPU tec cooler on lowest setting

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5919/cpuzuy1.th.jpg

Well update system primed for over 5hrs rock solid, today i upped fsb to 234 left everything else the same and decreased voltage to additional .025 over default. I disabled the tlb patch and cpuz still shows cpu at half speed that crystal cpuid shows. CNQ/Smart fan optio is disabled in the bios, searching around for throttling to see if there is any setting such as that as well in the TA770 bios but can not seem to find anything, anyone else got ideas?

Do you have AMD Phenom Driver INSTALLED? Phenom Processor driver required for propper funtion of Phenom...You need this even if not using QnQ for the Phenom too run 100%.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/..._15259,00.html

Keep your ram timing stock 5-5-5 with auto settings for now and use Ganged ....Make shure every thing is stable...make shure Ram is set to correct volts...

Make shure you HT link width is set to (16)
Make shure your GFX setting is set to Autononomus and (16x) i aslo set watts to 175max for stability while overclocking the Videocard.Works for all Cards...have Tested 8800GTS/GT G92/ATI3850/3870/3870x2..


When raising the FSB make shure the NB/SB volts are raised maybe two steps along with the HT volts..This also helps with stability when raising FSB...

Note:2.2HT = 1600mhzHT
.......2.0HT = 1400mhzHT

Example: When FSB raises you need to lower the NB and HT the same so the FSB dosnt raise them above 1800mhz total...You will get a better Oc..

Use NB@ 1600 and HT@2.2 when using 230/240 fsb.
Use NB@ 1400 and HT@2.0 when using 250/270fsb.

This will not hurt performance..You dont want the NB or HT to go above 1800mhz for stability reasons when raising the FSB...

For memory with the 228.tlb bios set the Ram to 400mhz it will Oc as your FSB goes up:yepp: If you havnt noticed the Dividers dont work how they should yet..

Below are afew screens so you can see how the lower NB/HT does when you raise the FSB..It shows how your memory will react as well.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...bvolts1_3v.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...nbvoltsmod.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...fsb2300mhz.jpg

The FSB Oc's easy when correctly done..It takes time...This Mobo has lots of potential and Biostar hasnt even released the Bios that lets us fully tweak Phenom 9500/9600/9600BE...It will be out soon ...The next one is suppose to have many 9600BE fixes...The Bios Polygon has tweaked for use is a Beta version which in no way is optimzed yet...

More too come soon....Need help Just ask:up:

gOtVoltage, I am starting to lose it, take a look at the screen shot. Let me see what I am missing perhaps you can help me out.

I have added the AMD Driver from link you gave me, I was unaware of this. Following each restart after modifying the settings below I have ran the tlb disable exe so phenom is running at full speed and I have tested a winrar file to confirm.

I have made these changes as you mentioned

HT Link set to 16
NB @ 1600
HT @ 2.2 with FSB @ 237
Mem Clock set to DDR 400 not 800,667, or 533

My question, I noticed the settings below can be changed but mine have always been at default

CPU DID options to change to 1,2,4,8,16 default has always been 1
CPU FID: x11 : 2200

I have also changed the GPU settings to
Autonomous Switch and 16x and upped to 175w for vcard overclocking and stability, but just help me get the incorrect cpuz speed corrected before I clock the vcard lol

I noticed in memory timings submenu (I think ) there is:
TMING MODE w options : AUTO or MAX Mem Clock or Manual

I tried manual and Max Mem Clock as well as Auto which is default they make no difference

CPUz version is 1.44.1 Feb 08 version, it still shows my multi at 5.5 and clock speed @ 1300 half what crystalcpuid and coretemp show which are showing correct clock speed of 2.6. I have also enabled and disabled the Onboard Lan Boot Rom setting and does not change this issue. I also loaded AMD Overdrive and it shows the multi at 5.5, the system is running at 11x237 why these 2 programs show the multi and clock speed being half I am stumped, it is an anomaly. I just finished priming for 2 hrs at 2.6 it is rock stable

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1...ocksme3.th.jpg

Cisco Kid: your system is definitely oc'd to the MHz and voltage you chose, but you have CnQ enabled, only that can give you the 5.5x multi at stock.

Open AMD Power Monitor and load the system, and check if each core speed/VID fluctuates on load.

Open CrystalCPUID > MSR Editor, check MSR Number: 0xC0010070 > hit RDMSR and post the EDX/EAX values back, they'll show what CPU multi you're running.
Repeat for MSR 0xC0010062 and 0xC0010064.

gOtVoltage: great going with max HT there :up:

@KTE,, hopefully ill be able to tweak 2.6/2.7 ...The 9600BE clocks wierd compared to 9500/9600 it seems:D Bioses are coming along for the TA770 finally...Thanks to Polygon of coarse:up:

...Found that i can finaly change the memory divider with this bios and BE....


@Cisco Kid,, id check what KTE suggest and also ive listed some things below;) ...


VERY IMPORTANT...if you used a X2 before installing the Phenom!

Make shure you DO NOT have (DUAL CORE OPTIMIZER DRIVER) installed you know the X2 DRIVER ,,,, while running the AMD PHENOM DRIVER...


Also in add remove programs and check that only AMD PHENOM DRIVER is installed ,, not the AMD Dual Core Driver...That will 100% give you that problem if both are trying to run...Been there done that:D




NOW MEMORY TIMING and CPU MULTI SETTING..
Ok a few settings for ya to go over in Bios ...To change memory dividers...


1st,,
go into DRAM CONFIGURATER in BIOS...

set,,Timing MODE = MANUAL...


2nd,,
go into MCT memory timing...

set 1st setting to manual ...
Leave all settings below it on auto and make shure auto tweak is off..EPP enabled if you have EPP memory.

Then you can choose what divider to run 400/533/667/800...1066 dosnt work so dont use it:yepp:


Now to make shure your seting your NPTfid correct and CPUdid.....Boot your system with these settings first before enabling the BOOTLan option For TLBdisable fix...


1st,,
set the CPU Multi to stock...

CPU/NPTfid to 11x 2200mhz is (9500)

CPU/NPTfid to 11.5x 2300mhz
(9600be or 9600...)

2nd,,
DONT TOUCH (CPUDID) it stays (Freq/1..default) all the time...

Reboot your sytem and go into windows with all stock settings you should be able to see that everything will correctly read the CPU Freqency...

You should now be able to confirm your settings are correct in CPU-Z and AOD or CoreTemp ...:D


Note: remeber if your gonna raise the FSB and use NPTfid lower the NB/HT to 1600mhz for up to 230fsb and 1400mhz for up to 270fsb...

Also use a low memory divider seeing the FSB will overclock the RAM..

Example ,,

800divider = 1080mhz ram @270fsb
400divider = 270mhz ram @270fsb

Take your time ,,dont change everything at once ,,its easy to forget even when writting thing down:D

Phenom is not a,,Lets just slap on a Oc chip thing,,You gotta work for it:yepp: ..

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Originally Posted by KTE

Cisco Kid: your system is definitely oc'd to the MHz and voltage you chose, but you have CnQ enabled, only that can give you the 5.5x multi at stock.

Open AMD Power Monitor and load the system, and check if each core speed/VID fluctuates on load.

Open CrystalCPUID > MSR Editor, check MSR Number: 0xC0010070 > hit RDMSR and post the EDX/EAX values back, they'll show what CPU multi you're running.
Repeat for MSR 0xC0010062 and 0xC0010064.

gOtVoltage: great going with max HT there :up:

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Thanks guys for the great and informative reply posts.

I did have a 5000BE chip running prior but I do not believe I had the AMD dual core optimizer installed. I have installed the Phenom driver via link you gave above gOtVoltage.

I have looked for CNQ in the bios I have not seen that setting unless I have missed it I have seen Auto fan which I have disabled whether and it always has been disabled as I am using liquid cooling.

I will d/l AMD Power Monitor to confirm and I will also check CrystalCPUID MSR Editor and post back the values.

I will also go over what gOtVoltage posted, I agree the Phenom overclock is alot harder to get where you wanna go vs my past xeon and C2Duo and 5000BE. So far though I am happy with 2.6, if I can get 2.7 bonus as long as I get good stability :) thanks for help guys and will post back later when at home....

@Cisco Kid,,, Look for (AMD COOL and Qiuet )and (disable it) its also called CnQ:D

Its right below CPU 200fsb setting...:D

This will allow you to use the NPTfid option .

Set Nptfid to 11x 2200mhz boot into windows and CPU-z and all other programs like AOD and Coretemp will read (11x200) 2200mhz...I think youve been overclocking with CnQ on and its confusing the other programs while reading CPU freqency..

hehee Keep us posted...Your also using the 228.TLB bios correct...

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@Cisco Kid,,, Look for (AMD COOL and Qiuet )and (disable it) its also called CnQ

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Okay, CnQ has always been disabled, when I referred to smart fan, I was referring to another submenu where you have the option of smart fan selection of 3 pin, 4 pin connection or automatic. I was asking in reference to that. I have had that disabled as well as CnQ from the time I started overclocking with my 5000BE. I also never had the dual core optimization driver ijstalled , the only driver installed is the one for the phenom you linked above

I have taken another screen shot and I am posting the values of crystalcpuid, it appears that after I hit the RDMSR tab the EDX/EAX values are the same. I installed the tlb.exe file into the same directory crystalcpuid was installed, did I miss something here because everytime I run the patch it says phenom at full speed

But currently I have everything set proper in the bios to place the chip at the indicated fsb of 240x11 = 2640 with DDR set a 800. If you look at coretemp it shows the fsb 240x2 = 480 the HT speed is correct and 480x5.5 = 2640 AMD Power Monitor shows 1100 frequency which is half the stock speed of 2200???

Did I install the tlb.exe correctly? I unpacked the exe file to the same directory that crystal cpuid was installed into and it is from there I run the tlbexe file. The weird thing is the MSR values before the patch and after the patch is run are identical??? Onboard Lan Boot is also enabled in bios and I am running the A78XA228 tlb beta bios from rebels haven site http://www.lejabeach.com/Biostar/TA770A2+/ I do have my shat fairly together, lol

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5943/tlbtb2.th.jpg

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3...nie1xk5.th.jpg

Here is another screenshot via control panel, showing 2.64ghz . I do not want to hear a format will correct it all, lol.......
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3...2640tf3.th.jpg

last note, core 0 in Prime benchmark failed after 34 minutes, 1,2,3, are still going, there would be no way a core would fail (well I guess it could is it was defective) if the system was running at half speed. I only have an extra .025 vcore added over default and my freezone cpu cooler is running on nearly the lowest setting

I appreciate the help you guys have given , but where do I go from here please no reformat to star off clean.........

With The 228.TLB bios you should only need to (Enable BOOTLAN) to turn TLBfix OFF .
leaving the BOOTLAN DISABLED will KEEP TLB FIX ON...

Your sytem has me stumped too trust me..



Also ,, Enabled BOOTLAN..AOD will show a yellow circle around the button(telling you the TLBfix is disabled/off)...

If you run Everest or AOD bench it will show a performance gain when the TLB is off(yellow)...

FSB problem seems very wierd indeed...It almost like the CnQ never disabled but is allowing you to use the NPTfid...

Have you tried a reflash at stock settings(Optimized default) then perform the Flash?

It could very well be a buggy flash..Its happen to me before but on XP64bit..
I am now running XP32bit with same Bios ...I have not had that Multi issue and im even flashing VoltMod NBcore Bioses of that same version 228.TLB..

Try unistall the AMD Phenom Driver and reinstall it...you never know...
Ive been lookin into your problem and the only way ive been close to reproducing it was by removing AMD Phenom Driver...But then all the programs would show half clocks not just one or two..

This is what id do...
Remove and reinstall AMD Phenom Driver.....Then remove CPU-Z ,Crystal and any other monitoring programs even GPU-Z that you may have installed...Even RivaTuner...

Then id Reboot and set optimized default for bios....Then reflash the 228.tlb with stock settings ..

After the reboot go back into bios set HT link width to 16x and PCi-E settings and default memory/CPU settings and boot into windows...

Then install CPU-Z and maybe CoreTemp ,,Hopefully they will register normal...If they do proceed ,install the rest of your Monitoring programs and Crystal then raise your clocks back up....Hopefully it will work that way..

This is a Beta Bios and Ive been able to run 280fsb with out that problem and using numerouse other settings....

It verywell may have been a buggy flash...It does happen..

You should not need to reformat......That would be last resort anyhow....


Let me know what happens...

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Originally Posted by gOtVoltage

With The 228.TLB bios you should only need to (Enable BOOTLAN) to turn TLBfix OFF .
leaving the BOOTLAN DISABLED will KEEP TLB FIX ON...

Your sytem has me stumped too trust me..



Also ,, Enabled BOOTLAN..AOD will show a yellow circle around the button(telling you the TLBfix is disabled/off)...

If you run Everest or AOD bench it will show a performance gain when the TLB is off(yellow)...

FSB problem seems very wierd indeed...It almost like the CnQ never disabled but is allowing you to use the NPTfid...

Have you tried a reflash at stock settings(Optimized default) then perform the Flash?

It could very well be a buggy flash..Its happen to me before but on XP64bit..
I am now running XP32bit with same Bios ...I have not had that Multi issue and im even flashing VoltMod NBcore Bioses of that same version 228.TLB..

Try unistall the AMD Phenom Driver and reinstall it...you never know...
Ive been lookin into your problem and the only way ive been close to reproducing it was by removing AMD Phenom Driver...But then all the programs would show half clocks not just one or two..

This is what id do...
Remove and reinstall AMD Phenom Driver.....Then remove CPU-Z ,Crystal and any other monitoring programs even GPU-Z that you may have installed...Even RivaTuner...

Then id Reboot and set optimized default for bios....Then reflash the 228.tlb with stock settings ..

After the reboot go back into bios set HT link width to 16x and PCi-E settings and default memory/CPU settings and boot into windows...

Then install CPU-Z and maybe CoreTemp ,,Hopefully they will register normal...If they do proceed ,install the rest of your Monitoring programs and Crystal then raise your clocks back up....Hopefully it will work that way..

This is a Beta Bios and Ive been able to run 280fsb with out that problem and using numerouse other settings....

It verywell may have been a buggy flash...It does happen..

You should not need to reformat......That would be last resort anyhow....


Let me know what happens...

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I am thinking exactly along what you are saying. Tommorrow, as it is beddy time for me I will remove monitoring software and the phenom driver, reboot and set stock default settings leaving onboard lan boot disabled, then I will reflash the 228 bios then enable lan boot rom and load some software to check speeds. If all seems normal I will then overclock the settings

Over and out, hope to solve this anomaly, even with 2640 stable I will be happy for the $150ca I paid for this retail chip but like you more will not hurt. hopefully future bios will unleash and correct ram ratios and produce some more performance. I just want to get this quad stable and then see if I can last a while bfore changing gear again lol