I dont think the temp measurements are accurate. Mine is reading 35*C idling at 1161 mhz with .8 vcore.
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I dont think the temp measurements are accurate. Mine is reading 35*C idling at 1161 mhz with .8 vcore.
Use EVEREST. AOD/Speedfan are becoming very inconsistent on different boards for temperature monitoring.
I was basing my speedfan temps off of PC Probe II since I know the speedfan normal temps are low and I figured asus compensated in pc probe. They dont compare though. I can calibrate em to the same, then come back 10 mins later and there is a 10* dif.
Everst and PC Probe show the same exactly. High, even at idle with very little voltage. I doubt it would be this high running passive unless the IHS wasnt touching the core good.
How high at idle? (CPU VID/VCore and NB VID?) [use AOD and AMD Power Monitor to find out]
Which fans/heatsink do you have and what's the ambient case temp?
Turn off CnQ, then see what you get.
Idle reads between 35-45. HS is an XP90c with a delta tri-blade (running on lowish).
0.8 vcore at a lil over 1ghz.
I am not able to fiddle with those other voltages in bios. K8 just has vcore, vdimm, sb voltage, and thats it.
AOD reads no temps for core 1 or 2. APM just reads the speed wrong and .8vcore.
Try at stock speeds/volts/vid like I stated. The temps might not be any different. But I don't know your heatsink ambient temps so they could be that high, if heatsink ambient is high .
Ambient in the room is about 20*C. Case has 2 120mm fans and 1 90nm for the drives. Also a tube that feeds the heatsink external air (doesnt line up perfect, made for stock hsf, not this big ol sucker. Heatsink doesnt usually get warm. Im about to go pull it off now and see if it was making good contact, then clean it up a bit.
As for CNQ vs no CNQ, makes about 5* difference. stocks speed vs OC speed made about no difference at idle (almost the same vcore).
Edit*
AS5 had only spread about as big as a dime. Re did the TIM. Didnt really seem to help temp readings but ohwell.
Now that is cool. Chinese Asus support sent me a new Beta 501.
That Bios as NB-multi settings and allows Prozessor and NB Volates up to 1,55V.
http://www.abload.de/thumb/cpuv3oo.jpghttp://www.abload.de/thumb/nbvgtp.jpghttp://www.abload.de/thumb/nb6xwj.jpg
Was able to boot with ref HT 242MHz and 8xNB multi. I'll start playing with voltages now. :)
WOW.
Suddenly you have a better BIOS than MSI 790FX! Far better. ;)
Also be very careful with that high NB volts and look at your power draw at bootup with those volts.
nice features.. hope you manage to clock ref clock higher.. afaik phenom ref clock upper limit arround 260+mhz. 270mhz should be enough to blow phenom ref clock record.
Tried to find the min volates for 214MHzx11 stable first. 1,25/1,2375.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Upped to 1,2625/1,25, tried it with 216MHz and it failed.
Checked AMD PM, CPUT and AOD and it looks like those settings are still CPU/NB VID. As those are upward locked in my 9500 bios/cpu does this:
1,2625 -> 1,1625
1,3 -> 1,2
1,4 -> 1,2
I'd need an BE i think.
Bios CPUV 1,3V
http://www.abload.de/thumb/c13000n12375tt0.jpg
Bios CPUV 1,2625V
http://www.abload.de/thumb/c12625n1235-1txr.jpg
I'll go for max ref HT now. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
Justapost,
Has it got the TLB disable switch?, also have they resolved the lower memory performance? Hope to see it on the ftp soon.
Have not found and TLB switch. Looking for max ref HT atm, seems to be 254MHz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thesavage
259MHz max ref HT with ram 800MHz
http://www.abload.de/img/cpuz25930d.jpg
254MHz max ref HT with ram 667MHz
http://www.abload.de/img/cpuz254dch.jpg
Did not know my ram can go so far with an 1:2 divider. :D
What can you get maxed with unganged? :D
My 9500 did 270HT ref. max unganged mode at low multi. This new one I can't try due to problems booting if I reset.
270 max ref HT with 7 nb/ht multi
http://www.abload.de/img/cpuz270a0t.jpg
Not really stable but got it verified on the second attempt. :hitself:
wow.. you did it.. congrats.. !
Whats your max stable oc with the new bios? also is it possible to post the bios on the forum, would like to help test.
Bios still lacks a switch for (un)ganged. CAS 6 is the key here.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
It's gettin even better, nice bios. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
275MHz max ref HT with ram @533 or @400
http://www.abload.de/img/cpuz275-2qcv.jpg
Should be the same as with 406 due to locked voltages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thesavage
Not sure if I can post it here, can't read chinese
PM me an email and i'll send it to you.Quote:
achim, ??!
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Justapost,
Thanks just updated, done a few quick bench's seems about the same speed as the 0406. Very much easiers to oc though can now cold start with my oc settings and also use larger HT ref increments. One strange thing though is the lan disables after 210 ht. Aod does not like increasing the nb multiplier though, shows differently from cpuz.
LOL! That looks much better now.
How many cores can do that Achim? Which core is the weakest? Try them individually and max on each one. Have you managed to get those CPUZ verified?
Just keep in mind AOD is the best for verifying your ocs here, unless CPUZ verifies the clocks, which it won't do if they be bugged.
Looks like you might have a very high ocing 9500 there but you underestimated it, looking at your last ss, you've probably kept too low a tRFC at DDR2-800 which effects your HT ref. fully. Maybe you just need a better board and cooling because HT ref. is the limit with these usually. You should be able to get pretty damn close to 270HTx10 now, my 9500 was max 270HT ref. and it could do 265x10 pretty easy stable. Try >260x11, you should get close if not more. ;)
Single channel should get you higher oc on CPU/NB speed, usually ~2/300MHz higher. Mine did 150MHz higher at 11x multi this way. Seems the IMC really is the setback here.
Strange I don't have nic problems here running at ref HT 262MHz atm. I disabled the com port and the audio device however.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thesavage
All my CPU-Z screenies are verified. With the previous bios I had to repeat it a few times to verify, the new one has no problem with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
tRC you mean? I have only the four basic settings for ram in the bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
As for the ref HT. the NB speed was the wall here. Tried SuperPi with 265x9,5 and the system froze.
Priming with 262MHz cpux9 nbx7 htx7 and ram at 5-5-5-15-21-2T@800MHz right now. It failed after few minutes at 264MHz so at stock volts the limit is the cpu frequencie ~2350MHz right now. Will try single channel later.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Using 2,25V for the ram most of the day and the phenom is still alive.
Nope, tRFC. It gets set differently at higher and lower RAM speeds and decides your RAM/IMC/HT ref. stability. Keeping a high tRFC gets you best HT ref. maximum speeds, I've mentioned it since early December just because of this reason because users will get a low HT ref. and say "that's it" whilst it was their settings which were holding back the HT ref. mainly.
My old CPU-Z files which I hadn't verified till yesterday (v1.42) don't verify anymore. :(
Ganged mode is single channel.
Bios allows tCL,tRTC,tRP and tRAS. I can find tRC (Row Cycle time) in Memset and AOD but no tRFC. :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Damn, what did you get (unverified)?Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Hmm, CPU-Z reports Dual Channel Ganged mode with two Dimm's. Reports Single channel no mode with one Dimm.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
-Hmm.. maybe those settings don't appear in tools because your BIOS doesn't support it, but they can make a big difference (to perf as well).
This is tRFC in Memset->
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6312/trfctz8.png
Can you see that? Set it to 195ns when you oc HT ref/RAM/IMC.
-I disabled all cores but core 2 (3rd one) and it reached 2.8GHz before it crashed, on just multiplier. Never took any ss because I thought I'd see them in the valids anyway but they're too old to verify. I would try again but if I have to reset BIOS again it won't boot. So waiting for the new BE.
-Yep, the updated CPUZ shows exactly as you're saying. What I meant is, ganged DCT mode is synonymous to single channel and optimized for single threaded performance; in performance, IMC stress, RAM oc'ing and so on, it is like having a single DIMM installed. Unganged is synonymous to best performance typical of dual channel, harder to oc RAM in, much harder on the IMC and also restricts IMC speed oc'ing and HT ref. :)
I'm still thinking you can get more for some reason. ;)
Have you tried these settings? One of them might work for you.
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=279946
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=279944
The best setting all round for me was this (stable/benched/ran for 3 weeks):
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=278357