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Well this was just sad!
They wont earn 1 buck on these..i bet price will be really really cheap cuz thats the only reason for going with these ones over Intel.
At least the AMD vs Intel fight is over and now we have to wait for 2009 or so when they fired the whole crew and make a good product.
Somebody somewhere has to start posting up a full suite of K10 benchmarks for 3 reasons.
1) To get a clear picture of whats what.
2) To get an idea of overclock ability.
3) Cos I'll go banannas waiting and wondering.
Wow crazy. :D
Who knows whats happening. This is all a game, can be played by Intel and AMD. R600... not too much different in the buildup. Pure lunatic fights and lies passed on as fact everywhere, minute day and night. Most guys I saw speak affirmatively lost their credibility as quack "prophets" because of it, and hopefully learned how to refrain from gross exaggerations which can destroy a company if the product doesn't match the hyped expectations.
Was it any decent? Not when it was released which most so die hard expected, drivers were poor, early DX10 was poor, massive delays, hyped up grandiosely but hype was just that, pure vacuous hype. But you can find versions of it in retail now (i.e. extreme-pc) which beat the G80GTS and GTX - get a good enough MB for it first, which I think comes in the form of RD790 with the appropriate PCIe 2.0 16x bandwidth (remember, it was originally made for PCie 2.0), CF scales excellently and it does hold the benchers 2k6/2k5 records, so it 'aint a failure at all. Still, people tend to regard it as failure due to not leaving a shock attack on them when first released. :D
One things damn obvious: K8 was awesome for its time and Core 2 was and still is, in its time.
Barcelona-Penryn? That's a new phase with different competition.
Barcelona was not originally made or planned to compete against Penryn or Nehalem at all, but Core 2. The 6 month delays meant it now faces a more renewed and optimized opponent. This is a fact anyone at AMD will tell you. That in itself is a major loss and stress for them.
-Barcelona server or desktop: different ball game.
How good? We have The Inq and Rahul Sood saying one thing, and Coolaler forums saying another. I have more reason to believe none, both parties are out on jury until further evidence, but Rahul speaking about this in his position seems a little strange. They do have the retail and sample CPUs and they would've tested them quite well by now, so he has a better position to speak than both the previous sources or anyone I know online. This makes the perfect setting for confusion in the face of Coolaler results, and thus, I step back to see who pans out closest to the truth.
Phenom has higher clocks attainable than Barcelona Opteron. I think highest AMD might hit late this year is 2.4-5GHz. I doubt higher, as an estimation, but they have headroom is what everyone so far is stating and might ramp it up sooner. I don't expect a quad core Agena/Agena FX will get beat by a QX6700 clock for clock. I find that hard to believe after R600 they would carry on if that be the case. I doubt business works like this at all, at the least, it will outperform a current Kentsfield but not attain high clock speeds.
-Penryn wouldn't be released if Intel believed Barcelona was worse than a current Xeon/Kentsfield, simply put, and current prices would be that of Tigerton, much higher.
Penryn any good clock-clock? Apart from what SSE4 and smaller fab brings, highly doubt it. In multimedia I believe Intel has hit home. Do they have supply numbers to release late November like they've been leaking? If they did, they wouldn't be releasing Tigerton now but Penryn instead. I doubt they have the supply to release it yet, and are having trouble with meeting even those speeds within the given TDP packages. I reckon its a race; they want to release it in mid-late October, but numbers, bugs and clock speeds is the concern.
Any firm can make one such chip and show it around, AMD or Intel. Intel Core 2 was touting 4GHz quad cores in July 2006, but we won't even have those with Penryn 18 months after AFAWK.
What ends up in retail, the supply numbers/clock-per-clock over previous generation and competition/performance/watt/cost efficiency is what matters most.
So far, I'm undecided and refuse to play the guessing game and give sides which'll guesstimatingly be better. I just know the architectural details and whats around online.
The sky is falling, the sky is falling....:D
Great results :)
Guess what... Screw intel, I still won't buy their CPUs. I don't like their business practices, and I tend to go for the underdog anyway (my wallet kinda helps me do that too sometimes) so I still would get an AMD. Just because it doesn't perform "best" doesn't mean it is a bad CPU. AMD sure has a nice price point.
everyone taste and motivation to buy products is different, and thats a good thing. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
for myself i give a :banana::banana::banana::banana: about names or or business practices, performance is the thing what counts. :)
If we look at the 3dmark results, they wil own Intel ver very hard in 3d and gaming...who cares about pi then :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
and in PI they did improved wel i must say..
A64 @ 2.2ghz = 42-43secs i believe
39secs at 2ghz ain't that shabby..
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3645/pi2gmy8.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by BeardyMan
SPI seems 5% quicker.
Anyway, these all seem the B0 stepping. Are they the ones that rumour said were bugged?
It is ominous but if AMDs B0 samples do perform under par and the release stepping are better, then maybe all is not lost.
The positives are for the server market, it's a simple upgrade path to double the performance. The home market is a completely different kettle of fish. Without sounding like a doom sayer, there is no reason for anyone to "upgrade" onto them unless the next steppings are in fact Core killers.
Hmm maybe, not sure, maybe I'll dig around and find out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motiv
Yes there is plenty of reason to upgrade. All those who have K8 have reason to, or those who have a P4. Doesn't have to be a core killer to be a good upgrade from something you have already. I know for sure that K10 will outperform my opteron 165, heck it had better or AMD just wasted their time lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motiv
I really dont want to trust in this benchmarks...Damn Sept 10 never comes!
it's been noted here already.
Why are people trusting these benchmarks?
They are from a known intel fan.
Funny that no one wants to believe the 3dmark score.
I remember many months ago S7 had a heavily patched ES and without saying much he let on that his chip was ~ 10% faster than Kentsfield clock for clock.
I'm not taking any notice until something official comes out.
It seems like a fair few here are wanting/hoping for AMD to fail.
I don't think it matters that he is an Intel fan. If you had the opportunity to be the first person with the Newest Intel chips Benchies, before anyone else. Would you mess them up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie FX
It would only make you look bad and not the chip (especially as it seems before release people on XS will have this chip in their hands and be benching).
To me, the benchies are correct but is the chip bugged?
Independant review sites would be helpful.Quote:
Originally Posted by MR_SmartAss
~ 30,000 3Dmark 06Quote:
Originally Posted by MR_SmartAss
It's on the xs news page..... I can't believe you haven't seen it. (No offense meant)
It is also on this site. Pg 14 of the K8L and beyond thread IIRCQuote:
Originally Posted by MR_SmartAss
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did you even have visited the link to the coolaler forum... the benches are NOT from coolaler...Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie FX
they are a community just like xs.org is, a users posted this benches. If this users can be trusted or not.... i can't say, time will tell.
And why most people belive this rather than the 30k 3dmarks ?
Well at least this user provides screens of the scores rather than just making things up and giving no prove (not even a cpuz screenshot) like theinq.
Sure you can say this screens are fake, but at least the super pi score seems to valid.
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Originally Posted by kl0012
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by MR_SmartAss
it's dual Xeon Quad at 2.66 (2.0 = idle = speedstep)
look the source: http://forums.overclockers.ru/viewto...788796#3788796
well if we go after this link scores are like this:
8.203 for 2x Intel Xeon X5355 2.66GHz 4*1GB DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory @ 667MHz
9.110 for 2x Intel Xeon E5345 2,33 GHz 4 GB (4x1 GB) Kingston FB-DIMM @ 667 MHz
11.720 for 2x Intel Xeon E5320 1.86Mhz 8Gb (4x2Gb) Hynix PC5300
the score for a 2ghz clovertown should be between the 11.720s and the 9.110s, barceelona score was 10.641s.
Imho they are right neck on neck
I think we should be very skeptical of these benchmarks.
More reputable sites have had opportunities to do benches with the K10, but have declined due to rumored chipset issues which degraded performance.
I think I remember Anandtech saying that before.
It's possible something could be wrong with the motherboard or BIOS which is not making the K10 perform up to speed!
I mean, come on. It's barely faster than the K8 in some benches!
IF these benches are accurate, i truly hope that this is not the top performance that a system based upon
a K10 and a RD790 can achieve, or else....
:slapass:
And we are only comparing clock per clock perfomance, and the fact is C2D and Penryn clocks like hell, no problems to get 4.0Ghz.
The clocks like hell doesn't matter in the OEM or other vendro bussiness..Quote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
When K10 and it wil be most likely, beats c2d/quad, at stock then amd has succeeded in their goal.
It all depends on the price.. Enthusiasts are buying Q6600 like there's no tomorrow, and that is where K10 must strike, but we will not see K10 at 2.2GHz for 260$. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardyMan
If the performance gap is big, wich is possible, AMD ha sthe right to ask that premium.And they will flip sides by forcing intel to lower prices.Quote:
Originally Posted by R101
And at the end price won't matter, people are still buying the more expensive C2D over the cheap but less performing old K8.