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07-19-2007, 08:27 AM
Emerica

Just curious and I know this is extremely noob of me to ask; is the 965P-DS3 compatible with q6600?
07-19-2007, 08:30 AM
Ace-a-Rue

it should be as long as it has an updated bios to recognize that puppy!;)

BUT...to make sure...do a little searching on this forum and go giga's website to check the specs.
07-19-2007, 08:32 AM
Emerica

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue

it should be as long as it has an updated bios to recognize that puppy!;)

BUT...to make sure...do a little searching on this forum and go giga's website to check the specs.

Thanks! :up:
07-19-2007, 09:59 AM
mursaat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emerica

According to that explanation, if you overclock a Q6600 to 3.0ghz you will still have the performance of a E6850 but quad core. So in my mind wouldn't it be smarter to buy the Q6600 for the same price as the E6850 and overclock it to 3.0ghz+ which should be easy on air. And in the end have two extra cores. Or am I missing something?

Yes but on air you'll get close to 4ghz with the E6850, but 3.6ghz with the Q6600, so the gap is there again.

Unless you're happy with Q6600 @ 3.6ghz (heh, as if it were something bad) instead 4ghz for everything that's not 3D render/video encoding.

Still there's the future games. I'm not very optimistic. We have 2 cores a lot of time ago and the number of games supporting it is ridiculous.
07-19-2007, 10:04 AM
Emerica

Quote:

Originally Posted by mursaat

Yes but on air you'll get close to 4ghz with the E6850, but 3.6ghz with the Q6600, so the gap is there again.

Unless you're happy with Q6600 @ 3.6ghz (heh, as if it were something bad) instead 4ghz for everything that's not 3D render/video encoding.

Still there's the future games. I'm not very optimistic. We have 2 cores a lot of time ago and the number of games supporting it is ridiculous.

Yeah true, well personally I would be happier with a quad core @ 3.6ghz.
07-19-2007, 11:55 AM
JoeBlack009

which cpu

Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 "LGA775 Conroe" 3.00GHz (1333FSB) - Retail

Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600 "LGA775 Kentsfield" 2.40GHz (1066FSB) - Retail £19 less

gaming/overclocking
07-19-2007, 12:18 PM
Exedy

Well..if your target is about 3.8~4ghz on 6850, get it, better for actual games but "quad rules on crysis" and probably next games too

particulary i would pick the q6600 and try 3.4~3.6ghz than dual core 3.6~4 but its just my opinion

im talking about watercooling
07-19-2007, 02:02 PM
mursaat

I'm still with a 165 in a SLI-DR (well lately on my Merom laptop mostly) so I think I'll get a 6850 to "taste" the full power of Conroes at full speed :D

But soon I'll get a quadcore (maybe not that soon, so it would be 45nm then).

Also don't plan to upgrade my X1900XTX so...

But yes, Intel made the decision really difficult this time.
07-19-2007, 02:04 PM
turtle

Quote:

Originally Posted by OCFX

Well..if your target is about 3.8~4ghz on 6850, get it, better for actual games but "quad rules on crysis" and probably next games too

particulary i would pick the q6600 and try 3.4~3.6ghz than dual core 3.6~4 but its just my opinion

im talking about watercooling

I look at it like this:

Through Q2 2008 (or whenever Intel inevitably switches to a 1600FSB for Penryn and we see a 4ghz EXTREME model), the fastest thing available stock will be a 3.33 Yorkfield. I say stock, because this is what developers are going to design towards. A 3.6ghz Q6600 will probably will go toe-to-toe with it. By the end of Yorkfields life, quad-core threading should be realized quite a bit more than it is today, and will come in handy much more-so than that extra 400mhz on the Conroe. That's just my personal take on the matter.

Short-term (<1 year) or rendering/encoding isn't important = Conroe
Long-term (>1 year) = Kentsfield
07-19-2007, 02:29 PM
mursaat

In the bit-tech article, when testing Valve Particle Simulation, processors are perfecly ordered Quad > Duo > AMD:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200..._e6850_e6750/7

And it's based in the Source engine

Quote:

Originally Posted by bit-tech.net

Valve Particle Simulation:
Last November when we visited Valve Software's offices, the developer gave us a benchmark that shows off how the Source Engine can apply multi-threading to the problem of particle physics.

What is particle physics? Well, it's the interaction of micro-elements within the game - smoke, water, rain, fire. Valve's Tom Leonard told us that "with multi-core, you can have more complicated systems. You can have smoke that drifts off, bounces off the ceiling and then out the door."

Also remarkably is the gape between Q6600 (79.7fps) and E6850 (55.0fps), it's a 44% faster with 25% less mhz! (2.4 vs 3.0)

Same happens with POV Raytracing, and this time I'm really impressed on the implementation

Quote:

Originally Posted by bit-tech.net

Ray tracing is another scenario where you're going to see some quite fantastic performance scaling. Taking the Core 2 Extreme QX6850 and Core 2 Duo E6850 as an example, we saw a 99.2 percent performance increase thanks to doubling the number of cores. The benefit of going from one to four cores was 397 percent, so almost none of the available performance is wasted away.

So basically, you double the cores, you get double the performance. I wish this were in all case scenarios :D
07-19-2007, 02:49 PM
turtle

Quote:

Originally Posted by mursaat

Same happens with POV Raytracing, and this time I'm really impressed on the implementation. So basically, you double the cores, you get double the performance. I wish this were in all case scenarios :D

Yep. Ray-tracing is the future, and Intel knows what you just stated, as this has been shown for some time (ray-tracing responds well to more cores). As we see more cores, I expect to see graphics head this way. Frame rates will soon be high-enough to use practically at decent resolutions. We'll get to hundreds of cores long before anyone expects us to, and Intel will be a big player in GFX.

As I've said before (and I think everyone thought me crazy) I think DX11 (and the next version of windows) will be built with this in mind.
07-19-2007, 03:03 PM
jkresh

anyone have good luck with a q6600 and a 680i board, I realize nobody has non engineering samples of GO q6600's but I am curious as to results on b3's or b4's or whatever the current stepping is on a 680i, trying to decide if I should pick up a 680i board now or possibly a p35 or try to wait for x38 (early august is ok, much past that gets complicated).
07-19-2007, 03:06 PM
mursaat

@turtle: true, I'm with you, but I think DX11 is still too soon, for povray to be practical you really need a lot of cores, and that won't happen in DX11 timeframe (I wish I'm wrong here :D)
07-19-2007, 03:30 PM
jkresh

@mursaat so which board did you use and what was your best results (if you can post them). Also how did you get a retail GO q6600, I thought thye werent out yet?
07-19-2007, 04:37 PM
ic3m4n2005

Need quick info mates :9
I`m definitly going for a g0 Q6600 and after having EVGA 680i i`d like to try DFI 680i LT.
So heres what i need to know since i have to get a new mobo tommorow.
My EVGA 680i killed my G.skill HZ the second time, so what is with DFI ? Rameater too ?
P35 would be another choice, but it has a few disadvantages over the 680i, i need 2 nics and i`ve a 2x500GB Raid 0 with no space to backup :)
My aim is ~3600 Mhz on Q6600 and i am on water (Apogee GTX).

Any recommendations ?
07-19-2007, 04:47 PM
B.E.E.F.

E6850. Dual Channel Mobo. What to get?

Which mobo is a good price?

Looking at the ASUS striker Extreme and the P5K Deluxe. Both look like nice boards, and the striker extreme has built in audio. Supposedly its got some kind of EAX and its also very processor friendly. Sips away CPU cycles for audio.

Any good?

What are other alternatives from the likes of Abit, Gigabyte... etc.

Looking for performance out of the box. Not looking to set any speed records for overclocking but it would be nice to have some headroom to play with if I need it.

So where do I start?

Which high performance chipset do you guys reccomend?

I'm looking at Intel. FSB 1333 or 1066. Dual Channel so I can save some money on memory. Single PCI-Express slot. Dual (SLi or Cross) is a bonus if I can get it for real cheap.

DDR2 obviously.
07-19-2007, 05:00 PM
Khapz

p5k deluxe!!! (Y)
07-19-2007, 05:02 PM
safan80

Quote:

Originally Posted by ic3m4n2005

Need quick info mates :9
I`m definitly going for a g0 Q6600 and after having EVGA 680i i`d like to try DFI 680i LT.
So heres what i need to know since i have to get a new mobo tommorow.
My EVGA 680i killed my G.skill HZ the second time, so what is with DFI ? Rameater too ?
P35 would be another choice, but it has a few disadvantages over the 680i, i need 2 nics and i`ve a 2x500GB Raid 0 with no space to backup :)
My aim is ~3600 Mhz on Q6600 and i am on water (Apogee GTX).

Any recommendations ?

how much voltage did you put on your HZs?
07-19-2007, 05:16 PM
ic3m4n2005

Under 2.2v with Corsair RamCooler above them.
If my existing Raid can be used on a P35 Board i would get one.
On the other hand upping vcore like the DFI does you can use c1e and speedstep even with upped vcore or am i wrong ?
even my EVGA 680i can use speedstep with a little bit more vcore than stock.
07-19-2007, 05:30 PM
safan80

Quote:

Originally Posted by ic3m4n2005

Under 2.2v with Corsair RamCooler above them.
If my existing Raid can be used on a P35 Board i would get one.
On the other hand upping vcore like the DFI does you can use c1e and speedstep even with upped vcore or am i wrong ?
even my EVGA 680i can use speedstep with a little bit more vcore than stock.

yup your evga did kill your ram. I've been using 2.2Volts on my HZs with my p5k deluxe and my p5n32-e SLI plus with no damage here. you should get an rma on that evga board.
07-19-2007, 05:52 PM
ic3m4n2005

rma takes to long so i decided to get another board in exchange. 400 fsb with quad on dfi 680i lt shouldn`t be a problem, shouldn`t it ?
07-19-2007, 06:00 PM
Lu(ky

Quote:

Originally Posted by ic3m4n2005

Need quick info mates :9
I`m definitly going for a g0 Q6600 and after having EVGA 680i i`d like to try DFI 680i LT.
So heres what i need to know since i have to get a new mobo tommorow.
My EVGA 680i killed my G.skill HZ the second time, so what is with DFI ? Rameater too ?
P35 would be another choice, but it has a few disadvantages over the 680i, i need 2 nics and i`ve a 2x500GB Raid 0 with no space to backup :)
My aim is ~3600 Mhz on Q6600 and i am on water (Apogee GTX).

Any recommendations ?

Now I am worried, because I just bought this eVGA A1 board for my e6850 I will get on Tuesday. I will be using the Crucial Ballistix on it. I hope I do not get fried memory. And were you using any cooling on the memory at all? I plan on using the Corsair triple fan cooler.

Also are you using extra cooling on the North & South bridge?
07-19-2007, 06:09 PM
ic3m4n2005

As i wrote a few posts above iàm using the exact same cooler you will be using :)
No extra cooling on nb & sb but open case.
It is something like loosing trust in these boards. There is a big thread in intel section about evga frying ram :(
07-19-2007, 07:38 PM
turtle

Quote:

Originally Posted by mursaat

@turtle: true, I'm with you, but I think DX11 is still too soon, for povray to be practical you really need a lot of cores, and that won't happen in DX11 timeframe (I wish I'm wrong here :D)

Larabee and Gesher aren't that far away, but touche', probably not before DX11 and Vienna:

http://www.beyond3d.com/content/news/242
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/911...larabeear9.jpg

I'll just keep hoping towards DX12, then. :p:

Sorry for OT.
07-20-2007, 12:43 AM
michaLcoughliN

i think i just came....Larrabee.. mmmmmf <3

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