XFX 320MB 8800GTS testing results

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Originally Posted by CandymanCan

which is a good example of lack of memory, lack of memory leads to a not smooth performance. Ty for posting that review

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I sent you that review, and you said that you

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Originally Posted by CandymanCan

dont need to read any of those because i have first hand already done that, and i know what im talkin about"

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The interesting thing about that review is that the min FPS in Oblivion HQ are the same, so I don't think there is evidence of paging at all.

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Originally Posted by CandymanCan

Do you have the 640mb to test if it was the memory causing this ? Which to me it sounds it is

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no but i test GTS 320mb vs X1950XTX 512mb


for example in very heavy games like Company heroes even 1280x1024 with AA & AF ON , you can see the hard drive reading during the game and with x1950xtx 512mb you wont see that , this happens when the VGA RAM its not enough and needs to use system resources .



sory for bad english


cheers

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Originally Posted by falqon

I sent you that review, and you said that you



The interesting thing about that review is that the min FPS in Oblivion HQ are the same, so I don't think there is evidence of paging at all.

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The most important thing is that you watch what is going on in that chart, do not trust on numbers.

the chart is made FROM the numbers? What is it with everybody's aversion to basic math?

Avg FPS is not going to hide low spots, and low numbers are going to be reflected on the chart.

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Originally Posted by falqon

the chart is made FROM the numbers? What is it with everybody's aversion to basic math?

Avg FPS is not going to hide low spots, and low numbers are going to be reflected on the chart.

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Actually there are two graphs, so when I say "The most important thing is that you watch what is going on in that chart, do not trust on numbers", guess which of those I was talking about.

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Originally Posted by wittekakker

Actually there are two graphs, so when I say "The most important thing is that you watch what is going on in that chart, do not trust on numbers", guess which of those I was talking about.

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I couldn't care less what you were talking about, the chart that I was referring too which YOU quoted shows FPS over time, and has a minimum FPS of 34 in oblivion, which is made even more obvious by the Min FPS plainly stated on the chart below it.

34FPS which isn't much of a stutter considering it's still fast enough that you can't notice it. Despite what people think they've experienced.

those drops would be visible in FRAPS and displayed in a linechart, none occurred here because we benchmarked a sessions where there is no loading of map levels, the reason why there are hiccups in Oblivion/FEAR, since it's loading a new section of the map, which drops your FPS.

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Originally Posted by jmke

those drops would be visible in FRAPS and displayed in a linechart,

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Finally, somebody who understands how a chart is produced.

If there is a "hiccup", then FPS will drop and it will be recorded.

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Originally Posted by CandymanCan

There is a difference between reading a chart, and actually experiancing it. You know the saying about booksmart people ?

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The chart is a representation of reality, it's as simple as that.
I know exactly what booksmart people are referred to as, (like the ones who understand how a "frame" is rendered), people like you will call them "boss"

as a pny 8800gts 640mb owner I have a few ?'s

• does it run cooler than 640mb versions?
• is it worth me selling my 640mb version to get a little bit of cash in the pocket or would I lose too much performance?

answer is no for both questions, GPU doesn't run cooler, and difference in price vs selling 640Mb second hand and buying new 320Mb is too small to bother with imho :)

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Originally Posted by falqon

Finally, somebody who understands how a chart is produced.

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wouldn't be worrying if I didn't recall how we created the chart for the site;)

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Originally Posted by CandymanCan

You dont understand or havent read anything have said have you ?

You can get really high FPS, but still have a stutter of hiccup from the VRAM swapping to the System Ram because the VRam ran out. Understand.


Think of it as this, You have 512mb of system memory and 8800GTX, and your Playing BF2 or BF2142 with the details on high and the resolution set @ say 1280x1024. You may be getting high FPS but your system is swapping back and forth to the HDD using the HDD as virtual memory because the lack of system memory thus causing a jerky fealing or slight pauses in the game.

That my friend is what i am talking about, someone already posted on his 320mb card he had that problem, which means a lack of video ram, thus the 640mb card overall if you plan to play on resolutions higher then 1280x1024 with the detail to the max and the highest AA/AF settings is the better choice simply because i can almost garuntee you the 320mb card will cause stutters in the top games out now and in the future.

If you read that review on xbits, about 256mb vs 512mb they mention that ID software recomended 512mb for the Ultra High quality details and High reolutions on Doom3 back then that was to keep the game from stuttering. Xbits only tested the FPS and said oh the fps was fine so 512mb wasnt needed, which wasnt true they only tested the frames per second and they never tested to see if the game actually ran smooth.

There is a way to type in the consol on Doom3 to see how much Video ram the game is using. I wish i could remember the command i would go play Doom3 right now @ 1600x1200 using the Ultra High Quality setting @ 16xAA 16XAF and see how much memory it truely uses. I remember back then on my 6800GT that it used all the 256mb the card had it actually showd it on the top left of the screen like fraps would show fps and i had random stutter's or hicup's while playing the game most noticable when Door's opened to new Area's is when the hiccup's happend. That is because there was a lack of memory on the video card when i switch to the 6800Ultra (keep in mind the Ultra is the same exact card as the 6800GT just higher clocks and more memory) which has 512mb of memory the game was using over 300mb on it and my stutter/hicup problems went away

If you dont understand after i typed all this then your hopeless. This all Apply's to top games out now and comming in the future. Games Using the D3 Engine, or the UT3 Engine or the new Farcry game, or hell even games out now like oblivion and fear. Which why i am saying i wouldnt get the 320mb card if you plan to play on super high settings and resolutions because you will most likely have these stutters and hiccup's most noticably when you enter new area's in the game when Door's Open and stuff like that.

This is why you cant trust most of these Reviews from these Website's like Xbit because if all they do is run the benchmark's in the game and collect the final FPS @ the end, you are not getting the full review especially when they are comparing 256mb vs 512mb. That is not all that needs to be tested the game actually needs to be played by a person on each card and see if the lower card can handle all the data being thrown @ it without a hiccup like the card with more memory can.

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Jesus tap-dancing Christ....
I pray to god you are currently learning the English language.

Not only are your spelling and grammatical skills horrendous, you cannot even compose a coherent structured sentence. Please, for the sake of anyone who has to read and comprehend what you type, buy a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing dictionary and grammar book instead of computer parts.

LOL Funny stuff.

Been a while since I've posted here.

I have one major question for you guys.

I've been considering the 8800GTS 320MB and selling my 7900GT w/vf-900.

Thing is I don't know if my power supply is up to snuff with everything I have in my setup. So here goes,

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Opteron 146 @ 2.8GHz 1.5v
DFI Lanparty Ultra-D
OCZ Platinum PC4000EB 2GB @ 260ish-MHz(520DDRish)
XFX 7900GT 256MB "520M" (black pcb) OC@ 570/840MHz(1680DDR)(core/mem)
3x80mm Fans (2xfront, 1exhaust)
Cooler Master CoolDrive4
1 Cold Cathodray Tube
X-Fi XtremeMusic
1x Raptor 74GB SATA
1x WD800JB IDE
1x WD1600JB IDE
1x Seagate 7200.10 320GB SATA
2x LG DVD-RW (H10N and H22N).
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Ooooooooooookay. So I'm running all that with an OCZ Powerstream 520 SLI. After using that ever so popular powersupply calculator online it said something close to 600w recommended, but my PSU is good for 33A on the 12V line. Okay, so do you guys think I'll be okay with throwing in the 8800GTS 320MB or not?

I think I'm pushing it already with my setup, but who knows.

Any information greatly appreciated.

Also I noticed one guy over at ocforums.com with a similar setup as mine in terms of the number of harddrives in his system, but on a Pentium-D system and he has an 8800GTX in there using the same power supply and was complaining of bad performance.

Everyone is telling him it's his CPU holding him back from higher performance, but I think it might be because his power supply just isn't up to snuff and isn't able to supply enough power to all his parts.

Whelps, let me know. If I have too many harddrives (4 to be exact), I'm thinking about tossing the two IDE's into external enclosures and ditching the power sapping blue cold cathod tube.

I don't want to get another power supply, it's out of my budget, because that's about another 140 bucks for a good one. (canadian dollars).

Cheers,
Mike

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Everyone is telling him it's his CPU holding him back from higher performance, but I think it might be because his power supply just isn't up to snuff and isn't able to supply enough power to all his parts.

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if the PSU is bad, PC will crash, not "work slower", that system config, with GTS, will run of 520W easily in my opinion.

Actually yes the computer will "slow down" in some cases, with parts not getting a proper supply of power they throttle down or act up and give a feeling of a "slow down" although it's not really a slow down.

Yes the 8800GTS should be okay with a 520Watt power supply such as my OCZ Powerstream 520 SLI.

That wasn't my question though, I already know that.

My question was, will the addition of the 8800GTS to MY system SETUP be too much?

What with all of the harddrives I have with power sapping cold cathods and fans, fan controler, overclocked cpu, etc.

I'm thinking about taking out a couple of my harddrives to help with the total wattage required, but I guess we'll find out once I get my card, hopefully by tomorrow (friday), but probably by saturday.

I decided on the eVGA 8800GTS 640MB version since it's on sale and has a rebate.
439.99 canadian dollars. not bad, not bad at all considering some 8800GTS 320mb versions cost 400 and up.

Cheers,
Mike

So far so good.

Picked up an eVGA 8800GTS from work and at first it was blue screening and acting up straight ouf of the box.

Went through the process of cleaning the card like I did with my many problematic 7900GT's. I went through 4 cards.

Anyways, I brushed off the back of the card with my notebook keyboard brush, incase there was debris left from the factory.

Blew on the surface a few times, of course with my eyes closed incase something blew off and into my eyes. I ran out of compressed air incase you guys were wondering why I was blowing on the card. =D

Turned the card around blew into the fan and anywhere else I could, including the PCI-E power adapter.

Finally threw it back into my system, with 2 of my 4 harddrives unplugged incase my PSU wasn't up to the task.

Booted up, worked. Did a couple of clean driver installs because of more BSOD's.

Now I've got her running pretty well. Haven't had much time to play with her yet, but the highest she's gone is 90 degrees celsius using AtiTool's cube stress test.

After setting the fan to stay at 80% using rivatuner and opening up two pci slot covers at the back of my Kingwin KT424 case, she's running 85ish full out.

I'm now experimenting with overclocking and have her at 620/2000 right now.

I'm pretty pleased with this card. I just wish I had the black pcb instead of the green one. =(

Scored 6800ish in 3dmark06 straight ouf of the box and am now hitting 7300ish overclocked.

I had to drop my Opty 146 from 2.8GHz to 2.75GHz which dropped my ram from 260MHz to 250MHz for stability. I guess I wasn't fully stable before.

Hrmm, maybe that's why my 7900GT's were acting up.

Oh well, things are cool so far.

Loving the image quality of this card over its performance. The water effects in 3dmark06 look so freakin' awesome.

Crossing my fingers and hoping nothing goes wrong from here on out.

Oh yeah I plugged in the other 2 harddrives and no problems so far.

Cheers,
Mike