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so OPP, any verdict yet? i'm still waiting breathless for your opinion. it's down to the IC7 or P4P800. i like the looks of both. 2-3% performance difference aint much, but i just don't like to cheat myself out of it know what i'm saying?:toast:Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
Thats what it is then. This is the reason for topping out with the 333 at around 278 on the MSI, it matches my one to one ratio top out as far as mem speed.
OPP
It can't beat my MSI with a 3 gig chip, but I think it's just because it's useing a 5:4 and the MSI is useing a 6:5.Quote:
Originally posted by deeznuts
so OPP, any verdict yet? i'm still waiting breathless for your opinion. it's down to the IC7 or P4P800. i like the looks of both. 2-3% performance difference aint much, but i just don't like to cheat myself out of it know what i'm saying?:toast:
It's a great overclocker though, maybe with a chip like a 2.8 it would cook but then you'd need a mem v-mod, I'm sure someone could come out with one.
I can't compare it to the MSI, I would need to compare to something like the IC7 that uses the 5:4.
I don't have one:D
The best solution for my 3.0 chip is the MSI do to the ratio, a different chip may be another story.
OPP
ok cool, thanks. i'm going to gamble on the P4P400. i mean, if it gets that close to your msi on a 5:4 compared to 6:5 it is actually pretty close huh?
Well deez...they cost the same. The IC7 is proven...not a gamble. The P4P800 obviously is. I'd quit beating yourself up, go with the sure thing, and be happy with it ;)Quote:
Originally posted by deeznuts
so OPP, any verdict yet? i'm still waiting breathless for your opinion. it's down to the IC7 or P4P800. i like the looks of both. 2-3% performance difference aint much, but i just don't like to cheat myself out of it know what i'm saying?:toast:
OPP, again, I believe the MSI BIOS is just reporting wrong (what? An MSI BIOS doing something wrong?!?!). It calls the settings 266, 333, and 400...but the 333 is really 320. Intel does the same thing (calls it the '333 setting, but it's 320).Quote:
Originally posted by OPPAINTER
It can't beat my MSI with a 3 gig chip, but I think it's just because it's useing a 5:4 and the MSI is useing a 6:5.
It's a great overclocker though, maybe with a chip like a 2.8 it would cook but then you'd need a mem v-mod, I'm sure someone could come out with one.
I can't compare it to the MSI, I would need to compare to something like the IC7 that uses the 5:4.
I don't have one:D
The best solution for my 3.0 chip is the MSI do to the ratio, a different chip may be another story.
OPP
Use CPU-Z and check it yourself. At 275 5:4, your mem should be DDR440. If it really WAS a 6:5 (and the MSI would be the ONLY 875P out there with such a ratio...unlikely), it'll read DDR456.
I second that, you really need to check out CPU-Z for the actual memory speed instead of going on guessing here :)
Oh yea, I trust CPU-Z :D
OPP
LMAO :D
weird, it works fine on the ABIT and EPoX ...
Try if it works at a different divider? if it doesnt work in this "6:5" setting then it might well be actually 6:4
if it doesnt work in any then well... I dunno
damnit, it's tearing me apart actually. i have both in my cart right now.Quote:
Originally posted by Zroc
Well deez...they cost the same. The IC7 is proven...not a gamble. The P4P800 obviously is. I'd quit beating yourself up, go with the sure thing, and be happy with it ;)
screw it, abit IC7 it is (unless someone stops me first lol :banana: )
lol OPP. a picture (or in this case screenie) is worth a thousand words.
Well, I've got 2 dead IC7's in 1 week, perhaps this might stop ya. :DQuote:
Originally posted by deeznuts
[B]damnit, it's tearing me apart actually. i have both in my cart right now.
screw it, abit IC7 it is (unless someone stops me first lol :banana: )
RMA'ing it tomorrow and getting a new one. But this will be my last IC7. If it dies, I might get me something else. Prolly gonna get me the P4P800 anyway, just in case. :rolleyes:
I'm not impressed with my IC7 so far. But then again I'm a moron so take my experience with a grain of salt. My system isn't stable unless it's at stock, but that might be my uber bad cpu luck with a 2.4C that runs hella hot and won't even do 3ghz/250fsb.
Just buy an Intel board... ;)Quote:
Originally posted by deeznuts
damnit, it's tearing me apart actually. i have both in my cart right now.
screw it, abit IC7 it is (unless someone stops me first lol :banana: )
lol OPP. a picture (or in this case screenie) is worth a thousand words.
JC,Quote:
Originally posted by JCviggen
LMAO :D
weird, it works fine on the ABIT and EPoX ...
Try if it works at a different divider? if it doesnt work in this "6:5" setting then it might well be actually 6:4
if it doesnt work in any then well... I dunno
This is on the Asus :D
I'll be ptuing in the MSI tonight, I just can't get the Asus to do high enough 3D. It's a great overclocker though, got me a nice PCMark score.
The bummer about the MSI is the CPU socket isn't in the middle of the 4 holes, it's off a bit so I'm not getting ultimate cooling. Plus the v-core has some mager flucuation, both hendering my top overclock on my chip.
Oh well, thats my P4P800 experience and I'm sticking to it :D
OPP
Thanks for the report on the Asus OPP. I'm still not sure which baord I want to try next. I almost went MSI, but got scared away by all the BIOS mess. I thought the Asus 865 might be it, but it seems the MSI is still better.
Now I'm confused which to try next:(
Anyway, congrats on the 3Dmark record with that MSI.
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Originally posted by Jupiler
Well, I've got 2 dead IC7's in 1 week, perhaps this might stop ya. :D
RMA'ing it tomorrow and getting a new one. But this will be my last IC7. If it dies, I might get me something else. Prolly gonna get me the P4P800 anyway, just in case. :rolleyes:
Just as a counter point...my IC7-G is tank! Still humming along at 24/7 at 272 x 15 pushing my 3Ghz P4C to 4.080GHz. I'm running the 5:4 divisor which puts the mem at a modest but respectable 218 at 2 5,2,2. It's been gaming and folding constantly. And since I flashed to the new 11 BIOS the second day i had the board, I've had absolutely zero issues.
Things went so well, my buddy ordered up a 2.8P4C IC7 combo which arrived this afternoon. One hour from start to finish and its up and running smooth as a baby's butt. Using the stock intel HSF we're at 3520mhz now (251 x 14). That's as far as the stock HSF will take us so he may be dropping to the 1:1 ratio and going with 3290 (235 x 14).
Sorry about the off topic, but I've had nothing but good experiences with the IC7 series...3 boards in a row now.
i already bought it. it's coming now. and a 2.6C from google for $230. i was gonna order all from out of state, cuz tax on $400 is quite a bit (why oh why are all good cheap shops in CA?). but googlegear was a bit cheaper, so i went for it. should be in by next week, as 3 day weekend will delay things a bit.
CPU-Z doesn't support i865PE yet and thats why OPP can't get it to report the mem timings. It should work w/ the MSI thou. Interesting to see if there really is this 6:5 divider (I personally doubt it).Quote:
Originally posted by JCviggen
weird, it works fine on the ABIT and EPoX ...
Well, mine died after 2 days of use. Was running my 2.8C at 3300, default voltage and stock Intel cooler, when it suddenly died when booting XP, just like that. No way to get that sucker back alive. :(Quote:
Originally posted by mdzcpa
Just as a counter point...my IC7-G is tank! Still humming along at 24/7 at 272 x 15 pushing my 3Ghz P4C to 4.080GHz. I'm running the 5:4 divisor which puts the mem at a modest but respectable 218 at 2 5,2,2. It's been gaming and folding constantly. And since I flashed to the new 11 BIOS the second day i had the board, I've had absolutely zero issues.
Things went so well, my buddy ordered up a 2.8P4C IC7 combo which arrived this afternoon. One hour from start to finish and its up and running smooth as a baby's butt. Using the stock intel HSF we're at 3520mhz now (251 x 14). That's as far as the stock HSF will take us so he may be dropping to the 1:1 ratio and going with 3290 (235 x 14).
Sorry about the off topic, but I've had nothing but good experiences with the IC7 series...3 boards in a row now.
May I ask you what voltage you're running your friend's 2.8C and temps you got with the stock cooler @ 3520Mhz ??
Agreed. Doesn't work on my MSI 865PE either.Quote:
Originally posted by macci
CPU-Z doesn't support i865PE yet and thats why OPP can't get it to report the mem timings. It should work w/ the MSI thou. Interesting to see if there really is this 6:5 divider (I personally doubt it).
What I was asking him to do was try CPU-Z on his MSI 875P, cuz that's the one that says '333' in the BIOS (6:5).
I also doubt the 6:5 (it'd be the ONLY 875P with such a divider).
Woof...Jupiler, I'd get that power supply checked out.
That's about the only time I've killed off multiple boards...when my power supply started giving out.
One last thing, though...I noticed, on the Abit, to clear CMOS, you have to leave it alone a good 5-10 minutes (unplug power supply). I thought I had killed one when I was testing different 1GB stick (btw, guys...the IC7 works GREAT with 4GB of memory), but I left the clear CMOS jumper on for a good ten minutes...came back up.
It's a 480W Channel Well PSU, which works flawlessly on the NF7 now. Never had a problem with this PSU, this with several boards. Also tried an older Antec 400W but still the same. Won't post.Quote:
Originally posted by Zroc
Woof...Jupiler, I'd get that power supply checked out.
That's about the only time I've killed off multiple boards...when my power supply started giving out.
One last thing, though...I noticed, on the Abit, to clear CMOS, you have to leave it alone a good 5-10 minutes (unplug power supply). I thought I had killed one when I was testing different 1GB stick (btw, guys...the IC7 works GREAT with 4GB of memory), but I left the clear CMOS jumper on for a good ten minutes...came back up.
I'll give the "clear CMOS option" a shot, thx.
MSI is up and running.Quote:
Originally posted by macci
CPU-Z doesn't support i865PE yet and thats why OPP can't get it to report the mem timings. It should work w/ the MSI thou. Interesting to see if there really is this 6:5 divider (I personally doubt it).
Setting it to 270 in the bios, the bios shows the memory at 450. CPU-Z reads my system as 274x15 and it shows the mem at 438.4
Sandra benches it at about 6000 MB/s even.
OPP
There seems to be some differences with the components on different P4P800 Deluxe mobos I have seen... here is what I mean:
http://users.on.net/dunska/p4p800.JPG
This is a crop of the pic that is shown on OCWorkbench and Hexus.net. Hexus states that they are using a full retail board.
http://users.on.net/dunska/P4P800_1.jpg
This is a pic from cop3 on the OCAU forums who just bought the P4P800 Deluxe.
It seems to be missing some mosfets and capacitors. Also missing some chips in the CPU area. It also has the same N/B heatsink as the non-deluxe. I wonder if the top photo was of pre-release boards and the bottom of the read deal? Will the missing components effect the performance we have seen from these review sites?
OPP - what does your P4P800 Deluxe look like, the top or the bottom picture?
I'm going to end up getting the MSI and putting this Asus to the side. I need the more Vdimm to run 1:1 like I want too.
Have you tried any Ocing OP at 1:1 with your MSI ???
That P4P800 is totally differnt than the P4C800, I would have thought they would have used the same board ??lol
Mine is like the bottom one, missing the caps and mosfets.Quote:
Originally posted by Dunska
OPP - what does your P4P800 Deluxe look like, the top or the bottom picture?
OPP
My 1:1 is limiting me to about 235.Quote:
Originally posted by Major Slaughter
Have you tried any Ocing OP at 1:1 with your MSI ???
OPP
I did manage a pretty nice 3D2001 on the P4P800, I was at nearly 4.2 gigs.
OPP