Onepagebook, coolaler and Superpi

Explain my post the previous page as legit and I will give a whole hearted apology along with XL status back to Coolaler.

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Originally Posted by guess2098

he already talked to someone about this. even someone told me all his account havn't log-in for about 2+ weeks

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sry my bad

no pun intended just bad timing i guess lol

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Originally Posted by thunderstruck!

By making accusations like this in a public section, I wouldn't return to XS either. All this thread did was make XS lose 2 very respected and top tier overclockers and spi freaks.:( Both were huge assets to XS and likely won't return to all the flaming. I agree with everything NICKE^ has said.

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One of the reasons that XS is strong is that we question things. We question things from our own people as well. Integrity is a major by-word on what we do, we have to have that or else all else is lost.

If that means questioning your "hero's" or "friends" then so be it. Since 2002 we have questioned people and long may it continue because we all know that bugs exist and tweaks exist and cheats exist that can confound the mechanical softwares logic and it is only analysis by peers that gets to the truth eventually.

OPB and Coolaler may both have a really good tweak as they are good buddies (are they I don't know?) but then how about giving it to a neutral third party so we can all say yes, they have moved the bar higher, or the curve lower in this case ?

Regards
Andy

The only way of solving this as stated many times is an explanation as to what has given them the edge from them themselves. If it is a tweak then fairenough they don't want to release it to the majorities but then I think the only solution is for them to reveal it to a leak free, TRUSTED member who can confirm the tweaks are real. Obviously this would just cause a "I dont trust him" dispute but to me it seems the only realistic way.

It's a shame to see this happen but I'm in no position to give opinions or start siding. :toast:

i don't think OPB would hide any tweaks.......he's said it many times that he reveils what he knows.................hopefully everything that is heh

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Originally Posted by ^don.k's^

Well it depends ussually of the memory used, when i compared tras 1 vs 4 i got ussually better results with tras 1, but hardly noticeable, that could depend on the sub timmings also.

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There we go. Subtimings can make all the diffrence if tweaked and tuned properly. It's the all around package. I may sound biased, but OPB is a great friend of mine and it saddens me when he's called out on just about every Pi result he's achieved. Also times in Super Pi can fluctuate even if the CPU speed stays the same. I've also noticed, synced FSB/Mem has been faster than throwing a divider for higher/lower memory speed.

I'll end my case at this point in time, I feel any information I provide will only be shot down, and or disregarded as I'm a part of such and such forum and this is such and such forum.

LoL. VT shows? I've always wondered when someone would create virtual machine and tweak performance.

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Originally Posted by NiCKE^

Then XS has some work to do since they're the author of SuperPi Mod.
I bet they already know the program and that should make them have a clue how it works and try to block it.
I don't know a jack about programming but I hope they will be able to block the cheating programs somehow.

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same goes for all the 3DMarks, Cinebench and so on, actually I don't know a benchmark that is not effected, so it is more that just a XS matter

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Coolaler - 3003 - 1649 - 16.0
Coolaler - 3003 - 1616 - 12.u

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that is totally gayness hahaha
any link for me please?
i am going to make fun and laught at him XD

Very interesting... I was always suspicious of coolaler for obvious reasons but seeing the OPB stuff is quite shocking to me. Hopefully we can find out the real deal.

from my statistics course i just got done taking, some of those points are definite outliers, and a couple are way too far away from the general line of data to be normal

There is no ultimatum.

What's being shown is, statistically, the results don't match any other results, or any other set of results. Take it however you want.

There are only two unfair advantages present in benching. 1) random bugs and 2) cheating. A tweak would be a fair advantage.

That said, coming forward and saying, "OPB and Coolaler, if you just acknowledge you have a tweak that no one else has, but no need to prove it, don't worry" is not an option.

At this point, any clarifying response from them would be desired, though I don't think anybody involved in gathering and assessing the data (before we posted it publically) was expecting one anyway.

Take these graphs and numbers as you will. But truth be told, foulplay has not been ruled out one bit. Boblemagnifique has been posting some very interesting links that deserve a look.

All three options for why the results are so out of line are still up. Unfortunately, proving any one of them will be difficult without OPB or Coolaler being completely honest and forthright.

If I were completely removed from the situation, not even knowing what SuperPi was, and I saw those results.....my first reaction would be, "Why do those datapoints stand out so much?"

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Originally Posted by JasonDTM

There we go. Subtimings can make all the diffrence if tweaked and tuned properly. It's the all around package. I may sound biased, but OPB is a great friend of mine and it saddens me when he's called out on just about every Pi result he's achieved. Also times in Super Pi can fluctuate even if the CPU speed stays the same. I've also noticed, synced FSB/Mem has been faster than throwing a divider for higher/lower memory speed.

I'll end my case at this point in time, I feel any information I provide will only be shot down, and or disregarded as I'm a part of such and such forum and this is such and such forum.

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yes they make a difference, about +-0.010 in Superpi 1M in 9s range
THE REAL DIFFERENCE IS ~0.2s THAT IS 20x MORE

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Originally Posted by melymel2789

The only way of solving this as stated many times is an explanation as to what has given them the edge from them themselves. If it is a tweak then fairenough they don't want to release it to the majorities but then I think the only solution is for them to reveal it to a leak free, TRUSTED member who can confirm the tweaks are real. Obviously this would just cause a "I dont trust him" dispute but to me it seems the only realistic way.

It's a shame to see this happen but I'm in no position to give opinions or start siding. :toast:

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well it's just been done..

But I guess I'm not trusted enough here?

I don't see why tweaks must be made public but explain it to someone neutral like HWBOT admin i think is right.
Cant say can't thrust him cos he can even just post a wr when he want :eek:

People ask for a prof cos feel it's like impossible, show it it's a win for OPB no a loss like you think.

Hmm this data really shocks me. I don't know whether Coolaler and OPB are cheating or just absolutely insanely good.

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Originally Posted by Vapor

There is no ultimatum.

What's being shown is, statistically, the results don't match any other results, or any other set of results. Take it however you want.

There are only two unfair advantages present in benching. 1) random bugs and 2) cheating. A tweak would be a fair advantage.

That said, coming forward and saying, "OPB and Coolaler, if you just acknowledge you have a tweak that no one else has, but no need to prove it, don't worry" is not an option.

At this point, any clarifying response from them would be desired, though I don't think anybody involved in gathering and assessing the data (before we posted it publically) was expecting one anyway.

Take these graphs and numbers as you will. But truth be told, foulplay has not been ruled out one bit. Boblemagnifique has been posting some very interesting links that deserve a look.

All three options for why the results are so out of line are still up. Unfortunately, proving any one of them will be difficult without OPB or Coolaler being completely honest and forthright.

If I were completely removed from the situation, not even knowing what SuperPi was, and I saw those results.....my first reaction would be, "Why do those datapoints stand out so much?"

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yes i have to said that is outlier.....
very weird but i think there is some tweaks may help it.

They got the edge and it's legit.


Super pi is a comp, and they are head and shoulders in the lead due to their hard work, not cheating.

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Originally Posted by zakelwe

Thanks again, this no doubt passed many people by but here it should be viewed.

Regards
Andy

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I think too

But some people is blind man or has :banana::banana::banana::banana: in the eyes to see that the score and the frequency cannot reality (AMD 28gp & Cpumark FX claw) , it is absolutely impossible.

:slapass: for some Members staf and X.I.P here and orthers who closed the eyes rather to wonder about doubtful scores on OPB

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...t=85069&page=3

His forum is not credible any more A my eyes since more than 1 year ....

The celebrity of OPB is incredible, the people are enough stupid to believe all what he says ….

By hoping that are used as lesson :cool:

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Originally Posted by afireinside

Very interesting... I was always suspicious of coolaler for obvious reasons but seeing the OPB stuff is quite shocking to me. Hopefully we can find out the real deal.



Yeah other than his secret personal tweak that gives him huge gains in 32m. I spent 2 days trying to come close to his 32m time at the same clocks, board, BIOS, CPU and with much tighter ram timings until I found out about this "tweak file" he made that gains him 10s or so in 32m.

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Did OPB give you the tweak file for you to test or what?

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Originally Posted by Gautam

I don't know much about how i965 works, but before is clearly the highest besides OPB and coolaler clock-for-clock. He also has by far the highest ram frequency of anyone in his clock range.

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Thx bro :toast: (my best clock-for-clock >5GHz is 50252: 5025.2*10.000)

I'm feeling happy not to have broken the 10s yet... :cat:

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Originally Posted by raju

They got the edge and it's legit.


Super pi is a comp, and they are head and shoulders in the lead due to their hard work, not cheating.

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We're looking for proof in either direction. Not marketing slogans.

how many of you, OPB's representatives, really know him, as a person, as a long-lasting friend, that you can really trust him and without single doubt say that he never lies and would bet your life that his Superpi is prefectly legit

for me, if a very best friend of mine, whom I know for 20 years and I could trust him with my life without a sec of a thought, showed me that result without any further explanation, I would say to him that he can shove that in his you know what

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Originally Posted by zakelwe

OPB and Coolaler may both have a really good tweak as they are good buddies (are they I don't know?) but then how about giving it to a neutral third party so we can all say yes, they have moved the bar higher, or the curve lower in this case ?

Regards
Andy

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Would you share you knowledge to a forum that makes you look like a cheater? Well of course you will say yes but anyway.
Not everyone wants to share their tricks to achieve better results then others. I thought being at the top was competition, not a place where people meet and exchange ideas to give others the chance to take the place you want yourself?

It's like Joey from Friends. What if he told everyone how to score chicks, then he would be without :)

Lol...