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Originally Posted by Revv23
Anyone catch my question amidst the debate? I think it would be far more interesting.
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Originally Posted by Revv23
Anyone catch my question amidst the debate? I think it would be far more interesting.
I'd like to know the answer to this as well.
But yeah the latencies needed for 600 fsb are just downright SLOW. It may be slow but the 600 fsb result is 100% real.
...you said your self that 965 is slow at 32mQuote:
But to say a 965 will lose at any FSB speed is inaccurate.
Andre, when will the revision 1.04G hit the market? Since when has it been produced?
I usually never go into a debate here at XS, but this time I will make an exception.
Why are you guys whining about "fake" results, and saying Andre has cheated?
Andre is trying to tell people that with the new C2 rev of 965, it is possible to achieve a higher FSB that with C1. He also drops a few benchmarks, which shows stability, and some results that can be discussed or not.
But: Instead of making a sober debate about the disadvantages and advantages of highfsb vs. low fsb, you start throwing stones at Andre for supplying "fake" information because his results are worse that you expected.
This is XtremeSystems people - A high FSB is something worth in itself, no matter if it gives bad benchmarkresults.
If you think this thread is useless because noone can use a high FSB, create your own threads and make a new debate. This thread is made to show people that the C2 chipset can reach a higher FSB that the C1.
I hate to sound negative, but I really hope the stonethrowing will stop, because it isn't leading anywhere.
By creating a thread you are opening yourself to debate and question.
if you cannot accept that there are skeptics who will question results then you are on the wrong planet.
by the simple fact that one creates a topic, opens themself up to discussion as we do not control how people react to things, we merely try to contain things when they get bad.
freedom of speech, it's a wonderful thing...
opinions, and doubt, and reason.
all great things.
If we blindly accept everything put in front of us, I think we might need to start requiring lobotomys of our members here at XS, if thats whats expected, hahaha...
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But i thought everything we read on the internet is true.
no, your thinking of the good old reliable, unbias, 100% accurate, news on TV, hahahahaaa :DQuote:
Originally Posted by RichUK
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Originally Posted by Kunaak
so many rights, yet, no rights at all,
embrace the differences and accept change , but, not change for the sake of change alone.......................
hehehehe.... we not talking pocket change here....do you understand?
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Originally Posted by Durzel
I think it's great for Andre and others to share things like this and I don't think it's fake info. However, I also agree with Durzel's statement. Way too often I see reviews here and many times the fact that the product is "cherry picked" is NOT provided! How often have we seen how amazing a product is and then when a bunch of people buy it, it's NOT even close to what we were led to believe. Some reviews here should come with a warning statement or something.
"WARNING, this is a "hand picked" product, I submerged everything in a tank of dry Ice, I did every mod possible, do not expect to get the same results!"
I think everyone that posts things like this should have the complete computer spec's in a signature, that way we can see all the things used to achieve the results posted.
DON'T get me wrong, I think this place is GREAT and I've learned a lot of things from this site. I just think more info sometimes needs to be added so a lot of people don't get burned.
I know I'll get flamed for this post but IMO, it's how I see it.
why, it`s true :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Icer
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Originally Posted by Icer
You said it on the money :) . I love the thread title Too Easy blah blah, Yeah right after 100 motherboards, 30 cpu's LN2, etc... :) :)
I am a newbie here and bought 6 motherboards soo far and have not got near any of the results i see posted on this forum.
Andre i am not picking on you, but leading people to believe it is too easy is another story.
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Originally Posted by NO1B4ME
I know many people cannot believe FSB 600 is easy, but you don't forget some key points, such good cpus ,northbridge voltage and DDR2 1200 memory.
This result use Dry Ice on Northbridge and 1.9V NB and also use DI for CPU.
I own many hand pick cpus and memory. Not of all CPUs and Rams can do FSB 600 and DDR2 1200, especially under Dry ICE and LN2 for CPUs.
You can see CPU-Z Hall of Fame .
http://valid.x86-secret.com/records....2010e03b95bd6f
Not of only one person can do FSB 600. If you have good CPUs and mod northbridge 1.9V+ , you would get higher fsb.
I got some ES motherboards before retail are available on the market. Who knows they hand pick from mobo company engineer? My mobos are all from Taiwan and I lived in USA. Can I control an engineer to hand pick?
I just show my post when I got new mobo. If FSB 600 is only me to achieve, you could say it's fake. When more and more people achieve FSB 600, I hope the people say it's true.
The record is FSB 640 now, it's not me.
http://www.iamxtreme.net/andre/FSB600.JPG
finding a good cpu, a good board with good northbridge and true DDR2 1200, than you need dry ice and a mod uhhhh, not easy ? :p:
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Originally Posted by Pjoeloe
too hard:(
i965 are not screaned as intencely as i975, this means that to get a board to do 600+fsb it has to be pre screaned...no ifs or buts it has to be.
This whole debate about 600fsb is worthless, we should all be talking about chipset latency and getting more speed around 450 to 500 which is where most dimms will run 1:1.
T
seeing how it's taken until the 112th reply for you to disclose using LN2 on the NB and CPU i think it would have been wise to have chosen a different thread title don't you? :) :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreYang
i know all the usual crap, hey this is XS we are all real hard here if you don't like it go home, but these threads ARE extremely misleading to probably 98% who visit here who aren't really interested in benching sessions with LN2 and actually think they will get 600fsb on their air cooled NB.
the first page is littered with certain threads titled "470fsb out of the box easy on 975x" only to have the following 30 pages of ppl trying to figure out why their retail board can't pass orthos at 420.
it's always been like that here to a certain degree but in my eyes it's really stepped up since the c2d release and i think it's poor form when this hardware isn't exactly cheap :nono:
Wise words...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
it is not the problem but it is clear that the 602 of X-965 is a fake (and others 600 on gigabyte also found on the site of coolaler) ,Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreYang
Quartz was modified and read out bad fsb after some research (Franck of cpuz confirmed it to me) in the version 1.37, the value of quartz is integrated, more fake has this level :toast:
The Fsb 640 seems is true even if that appears enormous, the 600 all are A make possible with a CPU under of Dry ice or the LN2 one of the members of ocm has to test a DOD under the chipset of its P5B deluxe, no profit of gained (finally can be 1/2mhz), similar for the vmch has + 2v, the profit is almost null
Known i975x, the vmch and of the cold on the chipset assistance considerably the fsb but not on I965
I await a P5B-E Plus Asus Taiwan but it seems to have delay on the samples, With the pcb of the P5B dlx and this new Rev C2, that promises good performance even if according to Asus Taiwan, the difference on the level of the FSB between the 2 revisions not to change, it is necessary to await new the bios
With the new bios Beta 0801 for the P5B dlx, some gained 3/4mhz fsb max, like what there is improvement :toast:
PS : i recieved the 6.6 , thank :toast:
Hear Ye! Hear Ye! well said............Quote:
Originally Posted by mouawad
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=119243 http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=119279
i can't open those links :( what happened?
It's been like that on most of the overclocking forums for as long as I can remember. The people working on the reviews and receiving new stuff directly from the suppliers or manufacturers are also working harder than the average overclocker to achieve their results (ie, LN2 etc.)Quote:
Originally Posted by mouawad
I think that it's not exactly those people to blame if some noobie goes out and buys a mobo and it doesn't perform like the "one on the forums". Most of the guys browsing these forums know how it goes and alter their expectations accordingly.
What I'm trying to say is that it would be of course fine to include all the possible info on the original post, but I'm not too interested in seeing 15 different disclaimers explaining to everyone how this might not happen on their computer and why...
About the title though, I think in this case we must also consider the fact that the original poster is most likely non-native english speaker (like me) and he wasn't exactly trying to claim that it would actually be easy to achieve that FSB... ;)
People have the urge to brag and try to enlarge their E-penis! Its known that large Corporation/manufacturers pay groups of individuals to hype the products. Its not like its new. So on that note, dont get angry @ people for overexagerating their posts...just dont believe the hype. It happenned to me with my current mobo... Had the p5wdh deluxe..sold it for the P5W64PRO and get the same results. WALL @ 400FSB and believe me its not cause of my other components.
"The secret of success is to be like a duck,
Smooth and unruffled on top,
But paddling furiously underneath."
--- Bill Cosby
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Bill Cosby is a man ahead of his time, hehehe
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Originally Posted by china
Ppl can believe what they want, but i think the evidence is there for all to see with eyes wide open.
I know certain individuals receive these hand picked boards for free to test, even though they claim otherwise :stick: , but pumping the NB with LN2 and then claiming records FSB's and not disclosing the cooling....sheesh
my ass might be dumb but i ain't no dumbass :nono: