Congrats once again Morphling !!!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :rocker:
Another great O/C benchmark. I hope you get that -12 or so tonight.
Much respect.
Hope your hand is healing well.
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Congrats once again Morphling !!!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :rocker:
Another great O/C benchmark. I hope you get that -12 or so tonight.
Much respect.
Hope your hand is healing well.
Very nice OC morph! Surpassed 100% OC I see :D
3DMark looks good too....can't view the compare tho, ORB down for me right now ;)
Morphing that is unbelievable!!!!!
Well done, amazing overclock, I should get my JIUHB 1700+ this week :)
it' s incredible
very very nice Morphling
o.o o.O O.O O.o o.o
Wow. I think we have a new 300/333a
8-)
Hm. ($$CDN$$) $100 for a 1700+, or $1000 for a P4 3.06?
LOL 8-)
100% Overclock. Very well done morphling ;).
Thanks to you and everybody else of course.Quote:
Originally posted by Craig
Congrats once again Morphling !!!!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :rocker:
Another great O/C benchmark. I hope you get that -12 or so tonight.
Much respect.
Hope your hand is healing well.
Finger is doing better, it only looks bad, but it almost doesn't hurt me anymore.
First of all, great Overclock and chip you got there M8!Quote:
Originally posted by morphling1
Remember guys what I said a lot earlier in this thread if I could have constant -5 to 10 degress water this water cooling would be in the class of prometeia or better, you must not forget even if this cpu is good, it still not as good as 2700, 2800+ chips.
The question i have, does the 2700+/2800+ are so much better than those 1700+?
My HD tests did better than yours?? o.O
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm=1064200
Old processor, too, btw. Waiting on new one to arrive.. shipped earlier today 8-)
In general they should be better, and I think they are. But I can't give you any better answers, remember I think only JIUHB are showing 2400-2500 on air (specific weeks) 2700+ I'm almost certain that it would hit that without too much problem.Quote:
Originally posted by Raptor
First of all, great Overclock and chip you got there M8!
The question i have, does the 2700+/2800+ are so much better than those 1700+?
STEvil, all udmas disabled there, didn't want to risk any fauilre, it would probably work with udma too, like at 2805, but I wanted to remove any possible problem maker, those goal was cpu score :)
ah, that makes sense 8-)
Now I gotta get to the email.. lol.
Great oc :toast:Quote:
Originally posted by morphling1
Thanks to you and everybody else of course.
Finger is doing better, it only looks bad, but it almost doesn't hurt me anymore.
I'll try a master oc with a prometeia and vapochill
Morphling, i thing you would love my new baby (it will be finished this week'end): a phase change chiller capable of maintaining temps of -45C with a 200W heatload :D That would be a 150% o/c ;):D:D:D:D
Soon ill get a new cpu (my agoia 1600 @ 2048 is going to my sisters comp) and i know what cpu will be next to :stick:
whow.. lets see :D
:slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:Quote:
Originally posted by berkut
Morphling, i thing you would love my new baby (it will be finished this week'end): a phase change chiller capable of maintaining temps of -45C with a 200W heatload :D That would be a 150% o/c ;):D:D:D:D
Soon ill get a new cpu (my agoia 1600 @ 2048 is going to my sisters comp) and i know what cpu will be next to :stick:
Damn man what the hell are you using for fluid mixture ? Are you gonna post pictures when finished, I would realy like to see that monster.
i have some pics of it in its very first form:
http://republika.pl/berkut0/12.jpg
http://republika.pl/berkut0/17.jpg
http://republika.pl/berkut0/6.jpg
Even in such a even. PRE Alpha stage it cooled my RIP Tb 1.33 @ 1.8ghz @ 2.2V with a eap. temp. of -18C (after some tuning)
In the current prototype wich ill be finishing this weekend only the compressor and maybe condenser will be used, everything will be different.
But rest assure, when ill finish this prototype im doing my next stage of this phase change cooler- cascade cooling using propane for the first stage (currently propane also will be used or MAYBE R22) and ethane for the second stage for some god blessing -110C @ about 150-200W heatload :D But its still a project, the only things that dont let me do it is the fact i dont have a second powerfull enough compresor (my current compresor is 1/2hp and i need at least a 1-1.5hp compressor for the second stage...
Maybe my o/c arent so tremendous as your but polish overclockers arent bad :D
Oh i forgot to say that its a direct die phase change cooler so i dont use any liquid, the chillant is a mixture of propane and butane for testing
Insane :D I thought that -45°C is a little extreme for liquid.
I on the other hand will be making inline water chiller, so no res. just huge copper block with evaporator in the middle while water will pass on both sides of evaporator through micro channels with huge surface area for best cooling. The goal for me is to have everything as small as possible and try to fit it in case or at most something like prometia add on.
That condenser look huge also, how much did everything costed, did you bought new parts or searched for used ones
I think a direct die system would be much more efficient and simple to build since your skill's with making waterblockis are extremely high...
I bought it for 200zl (thats about 50$ or 50E)
oh, and orygynaly it was a water chiller, based on r12, using as plain watercooler it cooled water with a 70W heatload to obout -20C but using custom made evaporators and other stuff like that you can squeeze some power out of it ;)
Use liquid helium... -271 C
Its even as dangerous as propane, for kicks! hehe 8-)
You know why I wanted efficient water chiller so that I can have multiple cooling effect on cpu, gpu, vid. mem and nb, much better overall, then only direct die phase change on cpu. Also like I said efficient water chiller in combination with efficient water block is in the same class as prometeia. (custom made direct die systems with more powerful compressor are better though)
But why do you want to complicate your life so much ;)
You can do your system in a knother way. You use DD phase change and the suction line doesent go in to the compressor directly but through cooling coils wich cool water. By this you have -40C on the cpu and about 0C to -5C water ;)
You can suck MUCH more power out of prometeia if you change the refrigerant from r134a (boiling temp of -26.1C) to R404A (-46.6C) and changing your cap tube and condenser (changing the condenser i think isn't needed that much) you could get that -50C noproblemo :D
Hey guys...I have been rather busy the past few days. I got a new chip in today, going to see if I can get it in tonight & test it. Then I really need to test that mem for ya morph...I promise I will soon...then get itsent. :)
BBL w/ results, hopefully...
This was exactly on my mind at first. Hmmm maybe I'll reconsider again, you know why I wanted chiller because of this new waterblock perfroming so well, so with chilled water like you see, things get very very interesting as overclocking goes.Quote:
Originally posted by berkut
But why do you want to complicate your life so much ;)
You can do your system in a knother way. You use DD phase change and the suction line doesent go in to the compressor directly but through cooling coils wich cool water. By this you have -40C on the cpu and about 0C to -5C water ;)
But if I come up with some bad ass evaporator cpu block, and then take it to water chiller this could be good too. But looking at the future gpus pumpung 70W at defaults so more then 100W overclocked and overvolted, some serious cooling should still be happening after the cpu block,
So that's the second JIUHB 0302 you got, let see if this one is any better, here in Slovenia everything is depleted, just old 1700+ A's or JIUCB. I hope that next week they get som new shipments, maybe some gems that start with an A and brown in color :DQuote:
Originally posted by N8
Hey guys...I have been rather busy the past few days. I got a new chip in today, going to see if I can get it in tonight & test it. Then I really need to test that mem for ya morph...I promise I will soon...then get itsent. :)
BBL w/ results, hopefully...
Just take time, no need to hurry N8 :toast:
Did you consider that you would have to use a veryyy powerfull pump ? Remeber that your block has a high ratio of reducing the flow through it, even if you have such incredible scores with plain water i would like to remind you that antifreeze based on glycol is much, much denser and at low tempertures its like honey and it wont flow through your blok that well as water. If you'll try to use alcohol it has a very low heat capacity compared to water! Its a blind spot with using a chiller :/
I understand your thinking, using a waterchiller will give you much benefits but the cpu temps will suffer...
I have very bad memories from extreme cooling graphics cards, my Radeon 32mb DDR simply cracked in to pieces at -40C and i didnt put any of my "cool'ware" on my radeon 8500 beacause of that... Chipset cooling was also never lucky for me, lots of mainboard smoked in my hands in various ways but it was always was related to extreme cooling... Simply dont like it =)
As far as it goes to chipsets and graphic cards i prefer temps of mid 5C... But the cpu is a completely different thing :D
I was aiming for up to -15°C water, so sligtly more then with overclocking test. With destiled water and G12 additive no problems with water getting too dense, I'm totaly satisfied with that result I just wanna make those water temps 24/7 operational.
I don't want totaly extreme probably temp controled chiller with maximum -15°C and for regular running about 0°C
But making direct die with secondary chiller also looks extremly good idea. Oh well still some time left to think everything over.
-15C is easyly attaineble with a 400W heatload, used compressors capable of archieving such temps can be bought cheap...
If you need the pressure, morph, I will let you in on the pump that I had planned.. you can be my beta tester, lol 8-)
Hey guys,
I purchased a Tbed 1700+ JUIGB 0251. Not too bad I think only on liquid cooling but with an open window and a cold winter in germany..
Is this cpu good enough to overclock well?
http://www14.brinkster.com/goudenlijst/DSCF0005.jpg
:rolleyes:
Redskin,
Welcome to Xtreme & very nice chip/OC :)
kingskawn,
That stepping is not bad at all, but there are surely better ;)
As far as that new JIUHB I got, I didn't have time to try it last night. Hopefully I will have some time to do so tonight. Just been busy times :D
I think JIUHB is better to overclock. My JIUGB ist very well but it's difficult to fÃ:banana:nd a goog cpu of this stepping. You need luck..
Hello everybody :D
Today i've bought all the needed parts for my phase change chiller besides the low pressure elastic line. The list of parts contains:
-1L of mineral oil
-Manometer station
-Sight glass with moisture indicator
-Low side mechanical filter
-High side filter (de-acider, anti moisture, something reeaaallyyy handfull)
-13.4kg bottle of R22
-Tools for flaring, swagging and bending pipes.
And something very interesting for you all phase change maniacs: a ALCO tzr with a 00X nozzle (or how you call it). It operates at 210W @ -40C and @ -45C its 180W so its ideal for all you guys. Its also very small and handy.
The only part i dont have is a low side hose and few copper pipes to make a subchiller... project started :D
Good project man :toast:
In these days i`m going to test about 20-30 JIUHB 0302 cpus to see what are the best. Of course i`ll choose the best for me :D
oooh, my mail finally came in 8-)
over here in poland these chips o/c veerryyy pourly comparing to 0251...
green like mine :)
But thats a JIUHB..
GL with that chip m8, if you hit 2Ghz its still a $50 chip :D
Those JIUHB 0302 looks like they only come in green flavour :)
They look like the can hit between 2.3 and 2.4 GHz maybe a little more depends cooling and voltage.
Anyway they are definetly in majority now compared to only few 0251,52 JIUHBs , try it soon STEvil :D
My bf recieved his yesterday. Same stepping 0302XPCW. It only does 2400mhz@2.15v on water. Maybe a bit of burning in would help perhaps?!?Quote:
Originally posted by STEvil
oooh, my mail finally came in 8-)
btw, morpling, awesome overclock :)
Only 2400!? As i said before, thats a $50 chip!! My 2100+ does that, but at 1.9v though :D
Results by 12th on air with 8K3A+
8-)
Little limited by ram, though.. trader backed out and im stuck with the PC2100 still.. hope it will pull 166/170 with some voltage.. 8-)
Because am kind of new here I would like to start whit some congrats…
:toast:
Congratulations morphling1 & N8 on job well don. OC more and you will go to HELL for sure.
:D
Now, for my statement. I’m buying a new MB soon and I would like to know from you which one is the best. 8K3A or the New 8RDA+.
:confused:
I will be sitting on Air for about 6-8 weeks but then… WC HIRE I COME!!!
;)
Any advise on this? I just can’t make up my mind on this by my self.
:confused:
OOO almost forgot. I just bought a new 1700+, knowing that I live in Poland where it’s HARD to buy something good and brand, I found a guy who bought this baby in Maroko and smuggled it to the country. Can’t wait to crack that sucker up.:banana:
8rda will be faster, but I am still wary of the nF2 chipset myself..
I would have gotten one if there werent so many problems.. so I got the 8K3A+... and had a few $$ spare change 8-)
Im gonna try and break 10k with that old 8500LE this weekend.. if I can get the old SDRAM mobo past 1800mhz.. 8-/ Darn thing freaks out past 1666mhz with palominos cause it cant handle the current draw 8-/
Then I switch to the 8K3A+ 8-)
make mod to suplyy more current to the mosfets, its very easy if you have an aux swich, it will suck a little more power out of them, add also sinks to those mosfets
when i had an a7v133 it helped very much
ThanksQuote:
Originally posted by RedNacz
Because am kind of new here I would like to start whit some congrats…
:toast:
Congratulations morphling1 & N8 on job well don. OC more and you will go to HELL for sure.
:D
Now, for my statement. I’m buying a new MB soon and I would like to know from you which one is the best. 8K3A or the New 8RDA+.
:confused:
I will be sitting on Air for about 6-8 weeks but then… WC HIRE I COME!!!
;)
Any advise on this? I just can’t make up my mind on this by my self.
:confused:
OOO almost forgot. I just bought a new 1700+, knowing that I live in Poland where it’s HARD to buy something good and brand, I found a guy who bought this baby in Maroko and smuggled it to the country. Can’t wait to crack that sucker up.:banana:
Currently 8RDA+ is definetly one of the best mobos, not that 8K3A isn't good, but the nforce2 just has too many pluses to ignore.
Oh yeah to you and GiJane, Welcome to xtreme :toast:
I can't get my JIUHB Prime95 stable @ 2 GHz, aircooling :(
Not-so-heavy programs like Pifast can loop @ 2100, 1.85V. But not Prime => Seems I have to buy some watercooling stuff. Maybe 2.0V would stablize this one @ 2100.
got my JIUHB0302 stable running at 2.376ghz 198*12 ..... at 2.1vcore volts ...... i finally decided to ignore bios temps as from the "feel" of the copperblock and water temps ... no way is it running at 60 to 70C .... and my copperblock is bolted so tight (i pity my mobo though) ..... and tried it it ran perfectly fine for several hours ran 3dmark sandra burn and played games for hours .... everything went okay =) ....... 1 thing did bother me is the voltages were already way off coz of the high vcore .... my +5V was 4.6 my +12V was 12.7v ...... but this generic PSU didn't crap out at all =) ............ i tried using MBM 5 winbond 2N---- temps were 20C lower ..... a bit too low ?? seems i can't really trust MBM 5 or USDM to give accurate temps ......
Nice oc. I see you got 8k3a like me, yes temps here are totaly off with tbred (I say more than 15°C rather close to 20°C) and the problem is not in software because at least in mbm you can use offset. But the temps are showing wrong even in bios pc health, so no solution here, only if some bios version would disable on die diode reading and just use socket thermistor instead.
morphling1 , i bought another generic 300w PSU .... and am planning to use both 300w PSU ...... 1 dedicated to the motherboard and the other one to the rest of the system ..... coz past 2.0 Vcore the voltages are way off the mark ..... would this help bring up voltages ...... i guess my mobo is a bit loaded .... GF4 and a SCSI RAID card is heavy burden on the PSU ...... i discarded the stock FAN of the GF4 and just placed a slab of copper then made a 3x60mm fans fitted into PCI slot 1 to cool it off directly connected to the PSU .... this helped a bit as the fans aren't sucking juice off the GF4 card or thru the mobo
my jiuhb 0302 (brown) has gotten to 2187 at 1.75 volts. It did 2004 at 1.6 with ease. All prime/FAH verified overnight. Just got it along with the 8RDA+ and TwinMos so I have been taking it slow while I burn in. I should know in a day or so where the ceiling is on this puppy. I have to figure out why I keep getting a no ram beep on post after 180 fsb so it could be longer. Hope not though.
BTW this is on air.
my 1700+ thoro "green" 0302 JIUHB @2,15 v with -10°C water
http://utenti.lycos.it/dimasweb/2535arit.JPG
bye
Really good result Dimas!
I think that with an 8rda that will grew up considering that your videocard can-t afford that fsb as you said to me last week...
it's all in the ram.:cool:
My CPU just arived. :(
I'm in deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep §§§§.
Just look.
How bed is it doc?:confused:
ya and nforce2 have also many cons..Quote:
Originally posted by morphling1
Thanks
Currently 8RDA+ is definetly one of the best mobos, not that 8K3A isn't good, but the nforce2 just has too many pluses to ignore.
Oh yeah to you and GiJane, Welcome to xtreme :toast:
You wont get any good results with it, without all the modding(vcore fix, vddmod and cooling on the mosfets and voltageregulator)
If you will by the board i hope u get a good one.
Hehe, that's understandable, the minute I come home with mobo it will go under soldering iron :D Cooling will be taken care off too.
morphling1 okay =) i will mod my in the weekend. Becuse i cant run lÃ:banana:ke this. Cant do over 190fsb or run 1.9V vcore. Unmodded this board realy sucks so hard that a 8k3a+ does much better =)
but even do i cant run high vcore i got my lite aiuga to post a wcpuid screen at 2147Mhz.
where is the extreme overclocks with this toys?
my 0302 JIUHB runs stable at 2310 mhz at 1.85V
256MB PC2700 (SAMSUNG) (M368L3223-CB3)
256MB PC3200 (SAMSUNG) (no-name)
256MB PC2700 (KINGSTON)(KVR333X64C25)
Witch one?
I need help on this. ASAP!
Tomorrow am going shopping and I need to know for what exactly.:confused:
If the first Sammy is rev C. chips (K4H560838C - TCB3) it will be very good. rev D are bad.
Sammy pc3200 are nothing special.
Kingston if it got BH-6 chips I would take that one. Then Sammy original module with rev. C chips
THX. I didn't get all of it but im preety sury that you would pic the sammy.
:p
JEEZ!!! just saw 1700+ AIUCB :eek:
gonna get one... along with my sammy 333 CLT-CB3 :)
Wow now that's interesting 1700+ that start with an A, so AIUHB should also start popping out, I gotta be on allert :D
this is mi 1700 thoro b....jiuhb 0252
http://digilander.libero.it/kiashan75/2699.JPG
Wow insane, this one is in my league :D What you use for cooling ?
wb...and h20.....
I have a week 3 cpu..
numbers:
AXDA1700DUT3C 9402837240109
JIUHB 0303XPMW
is this any good for oc? if anyone knows..
anybody got an XP1800+ t-bred B yet ??? they're starting to pop out here i think a JIUCB0251 ...... but i'm still trying to sell my XP1700+ T-bred A ...... i'll probably go for an XP1800+ T-bred B
knaSen,
Welcome to Xtreme :)
Test it & let us know ;)
tediber,
I don't see the point in paying the extra $ for how well the 1700's do :D
Got a 0302 JIUHB folding at 2490MHz 2,2V as we speak. Pretty sure it will do just over 2,5GHz at this voltage with water at 25+C. Booted up fine at 2,6GHz with colder water the first thing it did.
Excellent! My new pump is here(broke old one) Should be back on water by end of week ;)
Results for my JIUHB 0302 XPCW 9...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...0&pagenumber=3
Need better ram.. 8-/
What kind of new pump are you getting N8?
Ztop,
Care to share what your water cooling set up consists of?
ONe heck of a OC ya have there.
N8, LTNS...where ya been?Quote:
Originally posted by N8
Excellent! My new pump is here(broke old one) Should be back on water by end of week ;)
Quote:
Originally posted by Craig
What kind of new pump are you getting N8?
cpu and north.....whith a wb....h20 4°......
Well, here's what I was able to get my XP2100+ to with water-cooling. Not stable though, but it just represents a high point that many people like to see.
http://www.employees.org/~slf/images/2766.jpg
That's an XP2100+ 0301, using my White Water CPU water-block cooled by a large dual fan radiator.
a little 2100+ test under plain watercooling @2.1v
http://digilander.libero.it/spaceboyz/2796.jpg
it did 3D at 2750Mhz
azz.....è tuo??
Hehe Spaceboy, I love your clean system, you just need to get rid of that clock in systray and you're set :D
Quote:
Originally posted by morphling1
Hehe Spaceboy, I love your clean system, you just need to get rid of that clock in systray and you're set :D
:D
u were right 'bout 3D score ;)
i'll showe later
See ya in msn ;)
Hehe, I know I was. Btw. I'll begin game of catchup today, I got 8RDA too :D
http://www2.arnes.si/~mlivak/8rda/A3.jpg
A3 ready to rock&roll :D
leave one day please :D
http://digilander.libero.it/spaceboyz/compare1.jpg
WOOOHOOOOOOOOO, insane score there Spaceboy, now you realy set the bar very high :D
So this is No.1 overall 4200 score, incredible work m8 :toast:
Spaceboy that is simply amazing! :toast: Not only 18k but well over it :D :D ... Im 1 click from ordering a 8RDA now because of this.. Thought I should wait for the nf7 rev1.2 but I cant control myself when I see results like that ;).
edit: Whats your card clocks btw?
Yes, that score is amazing.Quote:
Originally posted by Hognert
Spaceboy that is simply amazing! :toast: Not only 18k but well over it :D :D ... Im 1 click from ordering a 8RDA now because of this.. Thought I should wait for the nf7 rev1.2 but I cant control myself when I see results like that ;).
edit: Whats your card clocks btw?
Plain water-cooled eh? Not sitting on the balcony on a cold winter's night by any chance? That has got to be the singular highest water-cooling overclock of an XP2100+, and the only ones I know of that are close that are water-cooled were chilling the water to get that far.
As for the GPU speed, also incredible. Just by looking at the Nature score it'd have to be touching on the 380MHz core-speed mark at the very least, and the memory would have to be well over 700MHz, which would also make that one of the most incredibly overclockable Ti4200's on the planet as well.
Such amazing luck.
Cathar, watercooling and voltmod on 4200 with chilled water can get to 370/700+ in most cases. I've done it with my el-cheapo 4200 64 MB oem Leadtek card. Those better 4200 can get even higher at least on ddr, gpu is pretty much maxed up at ~375 (well at least Riva tuner is :D)
Quote:
Originally posted by N8
knaSen,
Welcome to Xtreme :)
Test it & let us know ;)
thanx mate ;)
I sure will.. I will try it first in my shuttle when it arrives, and at a friends place.. he has watercooling so he will probably get higher than me :D
Quote:
Originally posted by Cathar
Yes, that score is amazing.
Plain water-cooled eh? Not sitting on the balcony on a cold winter's night by any chance? That has got to be the singular highest water-cooling overclock of an XP2100+, and the only ones I know of that are close that are water-cooled were chilling the water to get that far.
u got it :)
i don't speak english very well so. i thought plain watercololing was a correct description : i meant there wasn't any tec on the cpu but just a Waterblock an some very very cold water ;) How do u call it ?
Quote:
Originally posted by Cathar
Yes, that score is amazing.
As for the GPU speed, also incredible. Just by looking at the Nature score it'd have to be touching on the 380MHz core-speed mark at the very least, and the memory would have to be well over 700MHz, which would also make that one of the most incredibly overclockable Ti4200's on the planet as well.
Such amazing luck.
Yes the card was overclocked to 376-780
:D
Thanks guys ;)
W AMD :toast:
Can someone pleas advise me on this.
I wont to buy a new MB and DDR but i have just enough money for the:
Shuttle AK39N and 512 Samy RAM DDR333
or
EPOX 8RDA+ and 256 Kinston DDR333
:confused:
I have no idea which one would be the best pic.
I would go with second choice, and buy another 256Mb a little later when you can.
I just love this Epox mobo.
N8, where are you ?
I'm here I'm here sorry, got some catching up to do in this thread :D
We got snowed in w/ 30+ inches of snow over the weekend so it was a bit hectic...not much time to be on PC.
Did have time to test that 2nd JIUHB 0302 however & it hit only 2388MHz max @ 2.15v on air. Not bad at all but not great of course :D
BBL, got to read some more of this thread ;)
Another VIA Aqua 1300...broke the housing on my old one, oopsie :DQuote:
Originally posted by Craig
What kind of new pump are you getting N8?
Dam busy! & not able to get on the forums much with the server problems...tho it seems to be ok this morning, & the server problems are being worked on!Quote:
Originally posted by BrainStorm
N8, LTNS...where ya been?
Prolly get my watercooling hooked back up this week ;)
Well, good to see ya again. Water cooling, eh? I guess I might just have to try that out sometime, but I'm still a bit adverse to the idea of water in my case. ;) Maybe I'll outgrow my hydrophobia someday. :DQuote:
Originally posted by N8
Dam busy! & not able to get on the forums much with the server problems...tho it seems to be ok this morning, & the server problems are being worked on!
Prolly get my watercooling hooked back up this week ;)
ive got to make a waterblock, itl be based on morplings design with few modifications
sadly my phase change chiller has some big problems, the elastic freon hoses LEAK
but the temps were fine, -33C is a nice temp =)
hmmmm... summing up this topic, which athlon xp1700+ is currently the best ?